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#1 2003-03-25 15:57:21

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Re: Naming Martian Settlements 2 - Continued from previous thread

Please continue discussion here - hopefully this thread will not have any stability issues.


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#2 2003-03-25 18:50:10

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Re: Naming Martian Settlements 2 - Continued from previous thread

hopefully this thread will not have any stability issues

Agreed, hopefully it'll be about Naming Martian Settlements and not tangent discussion about gender wage or whatever. :laugh:


Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
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#3 2003-03-25 21:29:39

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*I certainly hope Orville and Wilbur Wright, Amelia Earhart and Charles Lindberg will have something named after them on Mars...and beyond.  It'd be a shame to overlook these folks.  smile

--Cindy


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#4 2003-03-26 10:23:38

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A very huge number of Martian features go completely unnamed. They don't even have a name like how we name stars (many stars have like a serial number or whatever- you'd know more about star names than me Cindy!).

I think that's it's very likely that we'd be using names several times, at least for respective colonies.

I think KSR had it right that colony names would at least have some significance with regards to the colonists themselves. For example, Underhill!

I think that a good name for a colony north west of Elysium Mons would be ?ctemanku? which is Lojban for ?the dark of the night.? Why? Because I imagine, at least initally, such a place on Mars would be very dark, with very clear skies! And since it's a depression there, I imainge your horizon would be increased, though I haven't done the math. The locals in that area may even have a personal agreement to decrease their light polution, so that the skies stay clear (one can only imagine the effect of light polutionin the dusty atmosphere of Mars).


Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
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The amount of solar radiation reaching the surface of the earth totals some 3.9 million exajoules a year.

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#5 2003-03-26 10:57:12

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Dandelion One.

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#6 2003-03-26 11:04:27

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A very huge number of Martian features go completely unnamed. They don't even have a name like how we name stars (many stars have like a serial number or whatever- you'd know more about star names than me Cindy!).

I think that's it's very likely that we'd be using names several times, at least for respective colonies.

I think KSR had it right that colony names would at least have some significance with regards to the colonists themselves. For example, Underhill!

I think that a good name for a colony north west of Elysium Mons would be ?ctemanku? which is Lojban for ?the dark of the night.? Why? Because I imagine, at least initally, such a place on Mars would be very dark, with very clear skies! And since it's a depression there, I imainge your horizon would be increased, though I haven't done the math. The locals in that area may even have a personal agreement to decrease their light polution, so that the skies stay clear (one can only imagine the effect of light polutionin the dusty atmosphere of Mars).

*Generally speaking, it's the alpha and beta stars of constellations which receive names.  My mind went into a kind of automatic "run-down" of star names when I read your post, and stopped when I tried to recall two of my favorite star names as a kid -- because they are such long and unusual names (Arabic).  It took a few seconds, then bingo.  I'm a professional typist and good with spelling, but I did surprise myself by spelling their names correctly the first time, during Google search (they are not major stars, and I hadn't thought of these names in quite some time): 

http://www.idialstars.com/zube.htm

http://www.astro.uiuc.edu/~kaler/sow/zubenes.html

Yeah, it's logical that many names on Mars will result from the colonization process itself...and might tend to be more practical (but Underhill is a boring name).  I suppose it's also a "given" that warrior mythological figures will have their names incorporated into the process. 

And something had better be named in honor of Voltaire! :angry:  :laugh:  cool

--Cindy


We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

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#7 2003-03-26 11:36:35

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Ares Perch

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#8 2003-03-26 13:16:37

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Daedalus Forest

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#9 2003-03-26 14:05:22

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New Acapulco

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#10 2003-03-26 15:27:02

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Remembrance Point

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#11 2003-03-26 16:05:37

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Why do you spell it ?Mars-an? clark?


Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
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The amount of solar radiation reaching the surface of the earth totals some 3.9 million exajoules a year.

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#12 2003-03-26 18:38:57

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long version, or the short?

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#13 2003-03-27 00:09:49

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Depends on how much typing you feel like doing. smile

Long is always fine by me.


Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
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The amount of solar radiation reaching the surface of the earth totals some 3.9 million exajoules a year.

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#14 2003-03-27 10:11:28

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#15 2003-03-27 10:59:05

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Diana's Trail

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#16 2003-03-27 11:51:15

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Deep Keep

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#17 2003-03-27 12:04:16

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Well, as far as I know, English rules would have us spell it ?martian,? or at the very least, ?marsian.?

?Mars-an? sounds very forced ('m?rs-&n), but the former two are pronounced identically ('m?r-sh&n), and smoothly. Also, I see no real benefits from using your varient since it has the same number of characters as the other two.

It feels like a silly rebellion, to be quite honest. smile


Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
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The amount of solar radiation reaching the surface of the earth totals some 3.9 million exajoules a year.

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#18 2003-03-27 12:15:12

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"Well, as far as I know, English rules would have us spell it ";martian"; or at the very least, & ";marsian.";

It feels like a silly rebellion, to be quite honest."

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#19 2003-03-27 12:41:02

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It has occurred to me that possible English slang could come to include the term "Martys" for folks from Mars and "Terrys" for folks from Terra.

For example, "What do you expect from a friggin' Marty"

- or -

"Just another pompous Terry bureaucrat"

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#20 2003-03-27 12:48:46

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"It has occurred to me that possible English slang could come to include the term "Martys" for folks from Mars and "Terrys" for folks from Terra."

Ah, you speak as if you are an Off-worlder! Have you by chance come from outer-sol? No matter, friend. You rightly speak the more common slang that is bandied about in the bars and casino's of the shared cosmos. While many Mars-an's will be offended by such terms, Off-worlders tend to have a different perspective.

Interestingly enough, most Off-worlders, in my experience, are very gregarious and boisterous. However, be warned new travelers, even the most jovial will take offense to certain terms. I speak from experience when I tell you, do not challenge any Off-worlder to "take it outside".

Such a statement is considered a threat of death.

But such are the ways of different people from different places.

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#21 2003-03-27 13:06:38

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What! Are you some kind of loonie?

Lets do the Moon first? Indeed!

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#22 2003-03-27 13:16:31

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"What! Are you some kind of loonie?"

Loonie? You must be an Off-worlder! Indeed, the slang for people of Terra's moon is 'loonie'. During the time of the Dark Days, a considerable number of Luna's residents found their way to Mars. While the general Mars-an culture is distinct, elements of Luna's society have embedded themselves within our culture.

There is a saying among our people, "Luna is indeed a Terran moon, yet its orbit is tied to Mars."

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#23 2003-03-27 13:38:49

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There is a saying among our people, "Luna is indeed a Terran moon, yet its orbit is tied to Mars."

clark, I must say this is very nice - very nice indeed - as are the other bits recently posted.

Whatever it is that has made you so lyrical today, be sure to use some more of it, and maybe offer to share.

Well, maybe. . .

:laugh:

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#24 2003-03-27 13:59:08

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"Whatever it is that has made you so lyrical today, be sure to use some more of it, and maybe offer to share."

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#25 2003-03-27 14:20:19

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