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#1 2024-12-12 15:39:16

tahanson43206
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Newton Unit of Force

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By applying a force of one Newton, one can hold a body of mass a. 102 grams, correct to three significant figures.
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102 grams isn't much.... a can of tuna I found in the cupboard weighs 142 grams.

A bag of Ramen Noodles is 85 grams .

This topic is available if anyone else can find something closer to 102 grams at sea level.

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#2 2024-12-12 15:39:59

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Re: Newton Unit of Force

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#3 2024-12-13 17:21:58

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Re: Newton Unit of Force

The Newton is the unit of force defined in terms of the kg of mass,  meter of distance,  and second of time.  One standard kg exposed to a gravitational acceleration of only 1 m/s^2 would weigh 1 Newton.  Here on Earth,  1 standard kg of mass exposed to a gravitational acceleration of 1 standard Earth gee (some 9.80667 m/s^2) weighs 9.80667 Newtons. Check the definitions in SI if you don't believe me.

There's non-SI metric units in wide use,  and the kg-force and the metric ton-force are a couple of them.  The kg-force is the Earth weight of 1 std kg of mass exposed to one standard gee of gravitational acceleration.  1 kg-force = 9.80667 Newtons.  Likewise,  the metric ton-force is the Earth weight of one standard metric ton (1000 std kg) of mass exposed to 1 standard gee of gravitational acceleration.  1 metric ton-force = 9.80667 Kilo-Newtons.  A lot of torque wrenches are calibrated to read in m*kg-f units,  not the SI m*N units. 

The existence of the kg-force (kg-f) unit is exactly why specific impulse is measured in seconds.  It is kg-f of thrust divided by kg/s massflow (not weight flow !!!!).  People "conveniently" divide-out kg-f with kg,  although that is not right!  Similarly,  Isp = metric tons-force divided by metric tons of mass per second,  dividing-out the metric ton-force with the metric ton,  although that is not right,  either.  This was defined long before SI,  by many decades.

The analog to this in US customary units is Isp = lb of thrust divided by lbm/sec of propellant flow,  yielding sec if you divide-out lb with lbm,  which isn't right.  That is where the lbm is defined in terms of the lb force unit,  feet,  and seconds,  improperly as the mass that weighs 1 lb at 1 standard Earth gee of gravity,  which is really 32.174 ft/sec^2. The lb is the Earth weight of 1 lbm of mass.

Just goes to show you that the evils men do live long after them.

GW

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