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SpaceNut

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Cyclone and Huricane Season 2022

Its that time of year when tropical storms turn into menacing big bags of wind huffing the blow your house down plus drown it.

I think the first for the Atlantic has come in already but here is the first for the pacific.

Tropical Storm Agatha on track to make landfall as a hurricane Monday making it to cat 3 before land fall

of course the track could eventually cross and head towards Tropical Storm Agatha, located in the eastern Pacific, could head toward South Florida next week

Of course once back in the warm water it will pick up speed and continue heading Agatha now forecast to hit Mexico as a Cat 3 hurricane Monday. In South Florida, a stormy Memorial Day looms.

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Re: Cyclone and Huricane Season 2022

Its starting to get busy
Tropical Storm Bonnie? Forecasters tracking 3 Atlantic systems, including one in Gulf of Mexico.

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Re: Cyclone and Huricane Season 2022

For SpaceNut re new topic .... as we watch the season ahead, please think about all those tons of clean, potable fresh water that are being gathered up by Ma Nature for delivery where it is not wanted. 

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Re: Cyclone and Huricane Season 2022

Good question how salty is the waters from a hurricane?

When a hurricane picks up water from the ocean and drops it on land, is the rain salty? It is not salty; rainwater is always salt-free. Hurricanes derive their energy primarily from the heat of ocean water (at a temperature generally at or above 80 degrees).

https://wgntv.com/weather/when-a-hurric … ain-salty/

The floods almost run off into rivers and streams that exit into the Oceans of the world. Cutting off that natural path means creating lagoons and diverting pipelines to redirect that fast running water to where its needed.

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For SpaceNut re #4

If you wait until the fresh salt-free water from hurricanes is on the land, it is too late!

That water needs to be captured BEFORE it lands.

Once the water is on land, it is able to wreak havoc on structures, whether manmade or natural.

The idea of moving water over land to where it is needed means construction of pipelines.  Where water is needed is inland at higher elevations.  Water does NOT flow up hill.

Water must be pumped up hill.

And water you collect from land is contaminated with all sorts of materials that it picks up after landfall.

No one would ** want ** that water, even if you paid to pump it up hill.

The time to collect that water is while it is still airborne.

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If we are going to take water from other fresh water source, then this is not any different.

Size of the hurricane and wind speeds mean only the most robust of planes can even get near it to do anything with in the wall of moisture for collection, that needs to be cooled and stored into onboard tanks. Once full you need to go somewhere to land to pump the tank free of its collected goods.

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For SpaceNut re #6

Changing the collective wisdom of the human race is not going to happen overnight.

Your Post #6 shows that you are beginning to start the early phases of allowing the idea to stick it's nose into the tent.

The water has to come from where is is.

The Rob Peter Pay Paul admonition means that water should NOT be collected from air which would have delivered it's load to where it is needed.

It will take atmospheric science to work out how best to harvest water from air flowing over the United States.

In contrast, harvesting water from hurricanes that collect water from open ocean and deliver it in unwanted quantities over land where it is not welcome would be appreciated by those who would benefit.

There is vast energy flowing in hurricanes.  Can humans harvest the energy (or some of the energy) as well as fresh water?

Hurricane Hunter aircraft routinely navigate in live hurricanes.  They are designed for the job, and their crews are prepared for the stresses of the flight.

our discussion here led me to imagine a manned control vehicle shepherding a fleet of automated water collection vehicles.

Question for you ... why would it be necessary to land to unload collected water.

Aircraft fighting fires do not land to either pick up water or to deliver it.

Why would this situation be any different?

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Re: Cyclone and Huricane Season 2022

Well, we need data on plane count, crew requirements, flight times etc. and if you have a large lake sure you can drop it but the volume and height of the drop above the surface may cause erosion of the lakes natural bed.

https://www.omao.noaa.gov/learn/aircraf … ne-hunters

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_hunters

Hard to know when it's a mixed plane types being used.

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It looks like they're using WC-130s to skim over the top of the storm and P-3s to fly into the eye of the storm.  I never knew they were throwing that much hardware at figuring out what makes these things tick, but it must be worth it to them.  I wonder if you could glide around the inside of the eye without using much power, so that you could potentially loiter for many hours before running low on fuel.  I think a modified twin-engine version of the Virgin Global Flyer could potentially stay in the air for 24 hours or more.

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Tropical Storm Colin, 3rd named storm of season, forms off Southeast coast

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Season is still with some storms but what Kentucky and other parts are floods that have been devastating the area.

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Re: Cyclone and Huricane Season 2022

It has been a quiet year so far.
First Tropical Storm Threat In Weeks Emerges Amid Predictions Of Hurricane Outbreak

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Time to work on drainage and flood defenses?

Seoul to ban ‘Parasite’-type underground flats after family killed in floods
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asi … ily-killed

https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status … 4043168769

'heaviest rain ever measured in the history of Seoul'

Seoul floods: At least eight dead amid heaviest rain in decades
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62462275.amp

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Re: Cyclone and Huricane Season 2022

Its still been a quite season Gulf system could become next tropical storm; plus something to watch in Atlantic

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Looks like we have one finally Hurricane Danielle forms in Atlantic, the first of the 2022 season

looks like we might have a few more

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SpaceNut,

Are you disappointed that we're not having more hurricanes?

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Seems that business is picking up as Tropical Storm Kay eyes Mexico, southwestern U.S.

Tropical Storm Earl forecast to be season’s 1st major hurricane

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For kbd512 ... Seems that ways, doesn't it !!!

SpaceNut,

Are you disappointed that we're not having more hurricanes?

It's possible for hurricanes to visit New Hampshire, so an interest in hurricanes might be more than academic.

Google quickly found some examples, including a threat by Henri exactly one year ago.

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Remembering Hurricane Bob's impact on New Hampshire ...https://www.wmur.com › article › hurricane-bob-1991
Aug 18, 2022 — Friday marks 31 years since Hurricane Bob roared through New England · Bob is last storm with hurricane status to make landfall in New England.
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Remembering Tropical Storm Irene in New Hampshire, 11 ...https://www.wmur.com › article › tropical-storm-irene
Aug 28, 2022 — On Aug. 28, 2011, one of the costliest tropical systems to ever hit the U.S., Tropical Storm Irene, moved through New England.
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Henri approaches and may be the first hurricane here in 30 ...https://www.concordmonitor.com › hurricane-henri-ne...
Aug 20, 2021 — New Hampshire may see its first hurricane in three decades starting Sunday, with extremely high storm surge along the coast and heavy ...

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Re: Cyclone and Huricane Season 2022

Earl expected to become a major hurricane, first of the season

https://www.pennlive.com/weather/2022/0 … eason.html

Typhoon Hinnamnor passes South Korea, leaving around a dozen of casualties

https://asianews.network/typhoon-hinnam … asualties/

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Gaining strength now near category 3 Hurricanes Earl and Kay disrupt cruises to Bermuda, Mexican Riviera

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Re: Cyclone and Huricane Season 2022

We are going to be seeing some waves from Hurricane Earl Sends Big Waves, Rip Current Threat to New England Waters

On the opposite side of the US has Tropical Storm Kay bears down on California with rain and 100mph winds

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Typhoon Inday slightly weakens as it heads for Japan’s Yaeyama Islands
https://www.rappler.com/nation/weather/ … -2022-5am/

Hurricane center tracking 2 tropical systems: Could one become Fiona?
https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/hurri … come-fiona

What’s the difference between a hurricane, a cyclone and a typhoon?
https://yahoo.com/difference-between-hu … 26240.html

What is a hurricane?

A hurricane is one of three names for a giant, spiraling tropical storms with winds of at least 74mph. They form in the North Atlantic, the northeastern Pacific, the Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico.

Hurricanes are formed when tropical disturbances in warm ocean waters and surface temperatures reach at least 26.5C. Those low-pressure systems are fed by energy from warm seas.

Hurricanes spin around a low-pressure center known as the eye, and the eye is surrounded by a circular “eye wall” that contains the storm’s strongest winds and rain.
What is a cyclone?

There are two different names given to cyclones in the Southern Hemisphere:

    A tropical cyclone forms in the southern Indian Ocean or the South Pacific

    A cyclone forms in the Bay of Bengal or Arabian Sea, both in the northern Indian Ocean

Cyclones are extremely violent, but they do help regulate the global climate by moving heat away from the tropics and toward the poles.
What is a typhoon?

A typhoon develops in the northwestern Pacific and usually affects Asia.

Aside from having different names and referring to storm systems in different parts of the world, hurricanes, typhoons and cyclones also have different seasons. The Atlantic hurricane season officially runs from June 1 to November 30. The Pacific season starts slightly earlier. Typhoons can form year-round but are most common from May to October.

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3D Views of Hurricane Irma from the ISS
https://weathersats.com/3d-views-of-hur … 7-10-2017/

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Re: Cyclone and Huricane Season 2022

Its official Tropical Storm Fiona has formed in the Atlantic, becoming the sixth named storm of the 2022 Atlantic hurricane season

current projected path

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A powerful typhoon slammed ashore in southern Japan on Sunday as it pounded the region with strong winds and heavy rain, causing blackouts, paralyzing ground and air transportation and prompting the evacuation of thousands of people.

Puerto Rico is bracing for Tropical Storm Fiona, as the National Hurricane Center stated late Saturday afternoon that "life-threatening flooding and mudslides" are possible across the island over the next few days due to the storm.

The islands power grid will take days to return.

Eye on the Tropics: Hurricane Fiona makes landfall along SW coast of Puerto Rico

At this point its predicted to turn northward and back out to sea.

Here is that floods for alaska
Photos and video show homes in Alaska ripped from their foundations as a massive storm surge — declared a disaster by the Governor — causes extreme coastal flooding

snake river flood caused

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Fiona made landfall in Turks and Caicos as a Category 3 storm, the third-highest hurricane designation that indicates Fiona had become a major storm

Which grew very rapidly into a monster.

Hurricane Fiona intensified into a Category 4 storm Wednesday as it made a northern trek past Puerto Rico, where it unleashed catastrophic floods, and hit the Dominican Republic and Turks and Caicos with heavy rain.

Now turning more northward

The National Hurricane Center said Fiona was approaching Bermuda Wednesday with winds close to 130 miles an hour.