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I do not believe we have this topic and we are approaching another fiscal year end and new beginning to which the operations require a new budget to be pass or the non essential people are sent home to await funding to pay them while those which are considered essential as required to work or risk being considered AWOL from there duties.
This is politics and nothing more as they get paid either way no matter how they vote...
If there's a government shutdown, here's what you need to know
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Some times they just kick the can down the road with temporary funding known as a continuing resolution...
Wednesday that senators have reached a deal on a stopgap government funding measure to prevent a shutdown. and keeps the government open through Dec. 3.
The Senate's resolution does not include the debt limit increase. It will include, however, money for the resettlement of Afghan refugees and disaster aid for Hurricane Ida victims.
Another potential sticking point remains. Republican are pushing to include money for the Iron Dome, Israel's military defense system.
The funding was stripped out of the House bill after opposition from progressives. The House passed a separate Defense bill that included the Iron Dome money last week with overwhelming support, 420 to 9. But now, Republicans want the government funding bill to include the Iron Dome, which could cause problems when it goes back to the House.
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Not surprised that it comes down to a temporary measure.
The short-term "continuing resolution" passed the Senate in a 65-35 vote, and the House later approved it in a 254-175 vote. Only 34 House Republicans joined every House Democrat in voting for the measure.
The bill also includes $28 billion in disaster-aid funding for communities ravaged by a recent pair of hurricanes, along with aid to resettle Afghan refugees in the US. But it does nothing to break a deadlock on the debt ceiling, initiated by Republicans, that is pushing the US closer to default.
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Is this one of those infrastructure bills that are loaded with a load of woke, welfare type payments?
"Plan and prepare for every possibility, and you will never act. It is nobler to have courage as we stumble into half the things we fear than to analyse every possible obstacle and begin nothing. Great things are achieved by embracing great dangers."
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Of course there are going to be some draw backs to doing a CR in that the DOT is going to furlough 3,700 people, that its going to have a debt ceiling issue still to contend with.
Battling even within the Democratic party has put the $3.5 trillion infrastructure bill not dropping to closer to roughly $2 trillion or to a much lower level of roughly $1 trillion.
Lawmakers on Capitol Hill are on the clock to increase how much money the federal government can borrow. If they don't, analysts say the U.S. economy, financial system, retirement checks, tax credit payments - and American livelihoods - could be at stake, at least temporarily.
Treasury Department can borrow, so it can pay for the programs it's legally obligated to fund: from Social Security and Medicare, to military salaries, tax refunds, national interest payments and more.
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I remember stuff like this happening before, you look at history and it happened a lot in the 1980s. I think there were threats of it during the Bush era but I don't remember people going through with it much, maybe because of the whole Terrorist thing or Patriot Act or 'War on Terror'. It got heated in April 2011, then 2013 and 2014 there were a few Tea Party the don't tread on me Gadsden flag during the Obama era and a shut down during Trump's admin, 2018-2019 politics.
Biden signs bill to avert partial government shutdown
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b … -shutdown/
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There has been many of them with some lasting quite a period of time before getting back to serving the people...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governmen … ted_States
https://www.historyguy.com/government_s … Vj8BzHMLcs
I guess we can say woopsy not reading the fine print in the infrastructure bill Congress sends 30-day highway funding patch to Biden after infrastructure stalls
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As the Democrats themselves have already noted, they don't need Republican votes to do anything. Democrats have the votes to do whatever they want, as it relates to setting the budget. That places the ball squarely in their court. Apparently, some Democrats aren't onboard with spending five trillion dollars on top of all the other spending that our government does.
Anyone who thinks the rich are going to pay for this level of spending is so absurdly naive that they don't deserve to be called an adult. All of that money will ultimately enrich the already opulently wealthy, but it will be sold to the American people as "investing in our future", which is very thinly disguised code for "make the rich richer, and the poor poorer". Since that's what actually happens, the more money the government spends, anybody who claims "they didn't know" what would happen was given fair warning here, regarding exactly what will happen, irrespective of any false claims and ideology to the contrary.
Add up all the wealth of the top 10%, and it doesn't amount to 5 trillion dollars, which means the Democrats will raise everyone's taxes, whether you can afford a tax increase or not. The wealthy can afford the minor tax increase they'll be subjected to, whereas lots of people here probably can't afford that. Since 5 trillion dollars is more money than every cent the top 10% have, they're going to print a lot more money (debt), which decreases the value of the dollar, thus the purchasing power of a dollar, ultimately resulting in an ever-greater number of poor people for Democrats politicians to "take care of" (take every last cent they have, to give to their wealthy campaign donors). That's Democrats creating the very problem they're pretending to solve, which seems to work rather well, so long as they have enough naive people to buy into what they're selling.
If you truly can't figure out why this keeps happening, then you never took or flunked basic economics, or your ideology prevents you from knowing. The wealthy use government to their advantage by contributing the most money to the elections of politicians.
The handful of Democrats who eventually figure out what their party is doing, typically become totally irate at both the party and the people within the party, but most never figure it out until after they're destitute and totally dependent upon government to survive, which is what the Democrats are counting on. This is also what the Republicans do with military spending, so no real difference between the two parties, except that one party focuses their attention on "anti-social spending programs" and the other focuses on "anti-social behavior resulting in over-spending".
If the majority of the American people ever figure out how badly they're being screwed over by both parties, there will be a revolution that makes the French Revolution look tame by way of comparison, but I'm pretty sure that won't happen until long after it's too late. Too bad for us, but great for the rich who effectively (and legally) buy politicians to have them enact the governance policies they want enacted. BTW, everyone in the bottom 90% could also buy an equal amount of influence, but only if we start organizing before the rich have extracted all the wealth from us.
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The sole reason I'm "less upset" with the Republicans is that we can elect Presidents who refuse to start pointless wars, but any anti-social program masquerading as "for the good of the people", lives on into perpetuity, even if that program was literally "robbing them at gunpoint", which is effectively what taxation is.
Last edited by kbd512 (2021-10-03 09:58:58)
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Democrats have control only in the House the Republicans have control of the Senate. Sounds like a stalemate to getting anything passed.
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SpaceNut,
Democrats have two Independents that vote with Democrats, because they are Democrats, plus the Vice President, which is the tie breaker vote.
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December 3rds debt ceiling is coming fast as we barrel towards another U.S. Congress scrambles to avert government shutdown, as some Republicans balk
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The world doesn't end with a Government Shutdown, in fact sometimes the people and society improve
Ok Belgium might not be the best example of a place but they did survive fine, they had some odd election result, a big 'NO' was said to every party, no government formed a big shut down for an entire year and life continued almost as normal. Carter threatened to shut down the entire government, Reagan had multiple shutdowns, Bush Snr George H. W. Bush and Clinton faced Shutdowns...little Bush Jnr with his massive spending and War on Terror and Patriot Act faced zero shutdowns... Obama had shutdowns, Trump had shutdowns. Maybe if you have a hurricane you need big government tio suddenly help, sometimes its political as some Mormon Romney types and Tea Party wanted a shutdown to kill Obamacare, some wanted a shutdown to kill illegal immigration welfare 'benefit' some National Monuments and Parks were 'Shut Down' and Veterans said 'screw you, government! ' and crossed the roped off 'closed' areas of the WW2 Memorial anyways.
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Chisis averted until Feb 16 2022 when we do this dance one more time.
The specter of government shutdowns is becoming a regular part of congressional life, data shows
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