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For RobertDyck,
I started with 28 days, divided that into (now 688) and got 16 days difference.
Because the existing Gregorian model alternates 30 and 31 day months (with exceptions of course), I tried that and had 4 days left over.
Thanks to your correction of my original attempt, those four days distribute nicely over the quarters, giving a grand total of 688 days, with expectation of occasional adjustment days added on an annual basis.
This model would have the advantage of symmetry, if adopted.
That said, this topic may inspire others to offer alternative patterns that might well be superior in ways I haven't thought of.
(th)
A Martian calendar would be based on 668 sols.
Thanks for this correction!
It allows for the end of the fourth quarter to be a month with 29 days.
I'll adjust the initial post.
(th)
It's easy to imagine that, at first, Martian settlers will settle the holidays of whichever nation they come from. Over time though it's easy to imagine that they'll come to celebrate their own unique holidays, or combine the holidays of various nations into something uniquely Martian. Likewise it's easy to imagine that Martians will use dual calendars: The Gregorian Calendar and a Martian Calendar (structure tbd). Terran holidays will presumably be celebrated according to their Gregorian dates, while Martian holidays are more likely to be celebrated on the Martian calendar. Religious holidays (if religion persists) will presumably be celebrated according to the calendar of the respective religion, for example if there is a group of practicing jews on Mars they will celebrate Yom Kippur on the 10th of Tishrei.
The arrival of the last day of the Gregorian year on Earth inspired me to review some of the Wikipedia collection on calendars and the history of changes to make them more accurate compared to astronomical observations.
SearchTerm:ProposedMarsCalendar
Assuming that the convention of 7 days (sols) for a work week makes sense to those who settle on Mars ...
And assuming the convention of a Terran Lunar cycle (of 28 days (sols)) will continue to have biological significance ...
Begin Quotation from Google lookup per reminder from RobertDyck:
Mars' Calendar | The Planetary Society
www.planetary.org › Explore › Space Topics › Mars
Sols, or Martian solar days, are only 39 minutes and 35 seconds longer than Earth days, and there are 668 sols (687 Earth days) in a Martian year. For convenience, sols are divided into a 24-hour clock.
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And using the Martian year of 668 sols (plus change) as a basis, here is a suggestion for a set of 24 months, each of which needs a name:
(Corrected from Earth Days per RobertDyke)
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668/24 >> 27.833 (ie, 648 plus difference of 20)
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A Martian year has 668 sols
668 / 24 >> 27 and 20/24
1 A 28 Winter Name: Candidates: Aquarius, Aries, Asimov
2 B 28 Name: Candidates: Bradbury and Burroughs; Barsoom (created by Burroughs)
3 C 28 Name: Candidates: Cancer, Capricorn
4 D 28 Name:
5 E 28 Name:
6 F 27 Quarter Name:
7 G 28 Spring Name: Candidate: Gemini
8 H 28 Name:
9 I 28 Name:
10 J 28 Name:
11 K 28 Name:
12 L 27 Quarter Name: Candidates: Lowell, Leo, Libra
13 M 28 Fall Name:
14 N 28 Name:
15 O 28 Name:
16 P 28 Name: Candidate: Pisces
17 R 28 Name:
18 S 27 Quarter Name: Candidates: Sagittarius, Scorpio
19 T 28 Winter Name: Candidate: Taurus
20 U 28 Name:
21 V 28 Name: Candidate: Virgo
22 W 28 Name: Candidates: Wisdom, Wallaby
23 Y 28 Name: Candidate: Yak
24 Z 27 Quarter Name: Candidate: Zubrin
668 sols
Note that to allow for Z to display in a set of 24 months, I removed Q and X as least likely to be chosen as month names.
In the Gregorian calendar, first letters repeat, so that could certainly happen in the case of a Mars calendar.
Edit of 2019/01/07
Revised 2019/01/07 to show 28 day months with 27 day quarter endings
Legend: Mo is the Martian month
## is the number of days in the month
M12 is the Terran convention of 12 months per year
Sols is the cumulative count of days per Martian year
Qtry is the cumulative count of days per Martian quarter
Mo ## M12 Sols Qtr
1 28 Sols 1 28 28
2 28 Sols 1 56 56
3 28 Sols 2 84 84
4 28 Sols 2 112 112
5 28 Sols 3 140 140
6 27 Sols 3 167 167 End of Quarter subtract one day
7 28 Sols 4 195 28
8 28 Sols 4 223 56
9 28 Sols 5 251 84
10 28 Sols 5 279 112
11 28 Sols 6 307 140
12 27 Sols 6 334 167 End of Quarter subtract one day
13 28 Sols 7 362 28
14 28 Sols 7 390 56
15 28 Sols 8 418 84
16 28 Sols 8 446 112
17 28 Sols 9 474 140
18 27 Sols 9 501 167 End of Quarter subtract one day
19 28 Sols 10 529 28
20 28 Sols 10 557 56
21 28 Sols 11 585 84
22 28 Sols 11 613 112
23 28 Sols 12 641 140
24 27 Sols 12 668 167 End of Quarter End of Year
668 Sols 668 Sols
(th)
There's going to be a balance to be struck. The chief problem on Mars will be shortage of (skilled) human labour for all the many tasks (coms, media, engineering, mining, agriculture etc etc). I am not sure it makes a lot of sense to devote a large proportion of labour time to construction if you can simply import inflatables and (virtually) self-assembly units.
6. Glass. Always useful, especially in agriculture.
3D Printing continues to advance. The work done at MIT reported here seems promising for application in Mars, since population will be small in early years, but the needs for sophisticated structures will be high in order to maintain a reasonable level of technology.
https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/31/mit-r … ing-glass/
I would add to Louis' observation above that glass utensils will be welcome for daily home use, in the health professions, as well as in a variety of industrial applications.
Edit: Here is a short YouTube video showing that the new 3D printer uses a continuous feed of hot glass.
Per kdb512's observation, the new system uses a heated lower bay to allow for slow cooling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvcpbtpWpGY
This invention appears (to me at least) to be capable of commercial levels of output.
(th)
However Martians decide to mark the New Year, it seems likely to me they will have built up a store of energy to release, after a long, plodding trip around the Sun!
For everyone who notes the Terran New Year custom, best wishes for the Day, and for the year ahead.
Update 2022/04/13 - The Business Calendar for Mars is defined by a uniform month of 28 days.
Standard Month in Mars Business Calendar
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
SearchTerm:Month standard for Mars Business Calendar
SearchTerm:Standard month for Mars Business Calendar
SearchTerm:Month generic for Mars Business Calendar
SearchTerm:Generic month layout for Mars Business Calendar
Update 2023/03/19 ... The relationship between Socrates, Plato, Aristotle and Alexender the Great became muddled in my mind.
I asked Google to correct errors in my memory, and it came back with details I will summarize here ...
Socrates was a philospher in Greece (Athens) who spoke effectively to many citizens of the time, but he (apparently) wrote nothing
Plato was a student/associate of Socrates. Everything we know (or think we know) about Socrates came from Plato
Aristitole was a student of Plato, and Aristotle wrote books ... the number may be as many as 10
Alexender the Great was the son of Phillip II of Macedon. Phillip hired Aristotle to tutor Alexander and apparently other royal pages of the time.
(th)
2018/12/25 Citations from “How We'll Live on Mars” Stephen L. Petranek
Compiled as of Page 54
Zubrin, Robert
16, 36 52
Reactor
42, 46
Mars Society
50
Page 5
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Like many frontier outposts before it, this one will eventually rival the home planet in resources, standard of living, and desirability.
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When these rockets land on Mars in the near future, it will be far more than a great moment of exploration. It will be nothing less than an insurance policy for humanity.
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Page 16
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As Orbital Science was building its business, Robert Zubrin got antsy about why we weren’t headed to Mars. … Zubrin wrote a comprehensive book called “The Case for Mars” and formed the Mars Society in 1998 to help promote his idea.
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Page 36
Begin Quotation following discussion of “Mars One” timeline:
That’s basically the strategy that many Mars enthusiasts, like Robert Zubrin, founder of the Mars Society, have been backing for years.
End Quotation.
Page 42
Begin quotation following discussion of water:
There will be a lot of waste to deal with, and the process will demand energy – some of it available from solar cells, but much of it likely to necessitate a small nuclear reactor.
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Page 46
Begin quotation following discussion of MOXIE module on next NASA rover:
If MOXIE works as expected, NASA plans to scale it up by a factor of one hundred, although that will require a nuclear reactor for power.
End Quotation.
Page 50
Begin quotation following extended discussion of food production on Mars:
Other experiments continue, including Canadian experiments on Devon Island and a Mars Society greenhouse in Utah.
End Quotation.
Page 52
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Robert Zubrin’s Mars Direct proposal, which he has refined over several decades, calls for building structures with vaulted ceilings, similar to those the Romans perfected, using bricks that could be crafted on Mars from regolith.
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(th)
Trying City Rises topic for this:
Apparently there is a law somewhere in the US collection of laws which supports/encourages settlement of Mars.
http://thespaceshow.com/show/21-dec-201 … montgomery
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Another interesting issue for 2018 focused on planetary protection and some new policy suggestions by the new NASA Planetary Protection Officer. Our guest had much to say about legal issues of planetary protection and the commercial space players/businesses. Listen to her comments about it not being law or mandatory rules for the private sector and about the FAA and enforcement, even enforcement through launch licenses. Laura reminded us that it is law for our government to support space settlement including settlement on Mars. This is pro-settlement space law is already in place. She reminded us several times that there was no planetary protection law, especially regarding private actors. Don't miss this important discussion.
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"How We'll Live On Mars" arrived today.
The hardcover format is smaller than I was expecting. It is 7 x 5 inches (roughly) or 186 mm by 135 mm.
SearchTerm:BookOnMars
Apparently there is a TED talk associated with this book:
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Watch Stephen Petranek's Ted Talk
Stephen Petranek's TED Talk, available for free at TED.com, is the companion to "How We'll Live on Mars".
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The Table of Contents reads as follows:
Begin Quotation:
Contents
Introduction The Dream
Chapter 1 Das Marsprojekt
Chapter 2 The Great Private Space Race
Chapter 3 Rockets are Tricky
Chapter 4 Big Questions
Chapter 5 The Economics of Mars
Chapter 6 Living on Mars
Chapter 7 Making Mars in Earth's Image
Chapter 8 The Next Gold Rush
Chapter 9 The Final Frontier
Acknowledgments
Image Credits
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Edit on 2018/12/29 to try to include an image, using SpaceNut's example from another topic:
Success: Left bracket img Right bracket URL of Image not in quotes Left bracket slash img Right bracket
Edit on 2019/03/26 to test imgur images for Epcot visit. This didn't work without .jpg in the uri


Trying url's. The result is display of the imgur web site with the image centered.
(th)
Louis,
I have updated the Attributes post for Sagan City to show it is the 2018 version.
This is an attempt to free Sagan City 2018 from being a burden upon your creativity.
In just a few days, as humans count time, you will be free to "create" another version of Sagan City, somewhere else on Mars as your mood strikes you.
To see the Attributes post, use search with :SearchTerm and :SaganCity with Author tahanson43206
(th)
begin Quotation:
Sagan City on Mars (2018 version)
Attributes compiled from posts by Louis
Location: 34.58 degrees West and 21 degrees North
End Quotation.
Hi Spacenut,
I like your list of factors that are required to build a city on Mars.
However, the key element you have identified is leadership.
To your list of factors, I'd like to offer one that I have not seen mentioned before, but which seems (to me) worth considering.
Corporations
500 years ago, it wasn't individuals paddling canoes like the South Sea Islanders, that led the path of exploration from Europe. It was corporations, albeit at the time the prevailing corporations were the Catholic Church and the Nation States of Portugal and Spain (all led by strong monarchs).
In the present age, it seems to me that corporations are likely to be the agencies of settlement of other worlds, although Nation States are still very much in the game, but (it appears to me) all of the present contenders are supported by large numbers of corporations of various sizes.
The Mars One idea was interesting, and it certainly generated some buzz, but I think it was doomed from the outset by the failure (from what I've read) to enlist corporations to participate to the significant level that would have been needed for success.
Just so, if Louis were to revise his thinking and embark upon an attempt to create a "real" city, it seems to me he would do well to enlist a large number of corporations to support each other in the massive undertaking to set up a city on Mars, and not just a camp site.
A minor example would be MacDonalds, which could (if it so chose) decide to open a franchise on Mars. The thought process from this decision would lead to recognition of the support services it would require, of which transportation would be a minor part in the grand scheme of things.
(th)
Funding, Rockets, equipment, materials and people are what is required to build a city but it is leader ship that makes it work to achieve the goal of the mission.
Louis,
I have two new items for your consideration, as you plan your book on Sagan City.
First, from National Geographic for February 2018, from an interview of Michael Bloomberg (former mayor of New York)
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SG: (question about gentrification)?
MB: I've always thought that culture attracts capital more than capital attracts culture.
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The thought I would invite you to pursue is to concentrate on defining the culture you want to see, and let details about hardware and supplies of various kinds to others better suited for those tasks. You appear to have given up on inspiring others to build a real city on Mars, but you appear to have the flexibility of thought that would enable you flex in that direction.
You have already started defining the culture, of course, but your production to date appears to be more of an outline than detailed specifications.
Second, from a the same issue, from an article on CCTV surveiliance by Robert Draper:
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London authorities were early adopters of widespread closed-circuit television (CCTV) surveiliance ...
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The article discusses video surveiliance in cities around the world, and considers the differences between authoritarian states and ones which aspire to democracy or at least a semblance of democracy.
It seems to me that as a designer of a new high technology city, it would make sense to build in a high level of surveiliance from the outset, since it will most certainly arrive with commercial interests.
(th)
The research described in this article apparently is intended to discover the effect of variations in gravity on plant seeds.
https://www.dispatch.com/news/20181218/ … wins-award
This a local activity, so if there is interest I would be willing to visit Dr. Wolverton.
It will take some time for results to become available.
(th)
Hi Louis,
My objective is to try to find conditions which will increase the probability of Sagan City coming into existence.
Your proposal that there should be TWO Sagan City initiatives would (in my opinion) reduce the probability instead of increase it.
At the moment, there exists only one initiative, and that is yours.
Your uncertainty about location is an example of increase of uncertainty for the future of Sagan City. You made a decision for a precise location, and at that moment the probability of a bright future for Sagan City was as great as it has been, because it now appears what I understood to be a decision about the boundaries of the city turns out to have been a misreading of your intent. I was hoping you would make a firm decision, so I read into your words something that was not there.
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Regarding UN membership versus a concept of planetary independence ... I think that securing UN membership for the planet, in the form of a "nation", would increase chances of an amicable relationship with the residents of Earth, and the idea of setting up an independent entity from the outset will just about guarantee a war. The examples of Canada and the United States seem instructive (to me at least).
Both were created or established as extensions of the British empire of the time. One chose independence and got two wars. One chose to evolve with the British empire as inevitable change occurred, and it now functions as an independent nation without having had to endure a war.
The model I see from this is that an amicable relationship built from the start will have a greater chance of evolving into a friendly independence over time.
(th)
Sorry TA, I haven't claimed copyright on the name Sagan City so I don't see how I can "release" it. I write what I write. If people want to follow a parallel open source project seeking to establish a real city on Mars, that's fine by me but I think you would really have to defer to the experts on where to land. My pinprick on the map is based on a modicum of knowledge and a lot of hunch. I very much doubt it is the best place to land on Mars. But it would probably be a possible site where you could build such a city.
Whether a Mars Republic should be part of the United Nations is a big question. Personally I would favour it being an independent planet and agreeing a permanent peace treaty with Earth via the UN, with agreement on joint/co-operative exploration of the rest of the solar system, communications, mutual recognition and so on.
Louis,
Thanks for taking up the debate with Mr. Petranek. I've ordered the book, and (hopefully) will be able to evaluate his arguments in light of your points above.
(th)
https://www.yahoo.com/news/life-mars-hu … 55648.html
"Everything that you use and you create on Mars is so valuable. You simply can’t afford a pollution stream, you can’t afford a waste stream at all. Everything will absolutely be recycled ... at least in the beginning," said Stephen Petranek, author of "How We’ll Live on Mars."
Hoping this book deserves it's own topic. Please move if a better place exists.
Ordered from Amazon 2018/12/17. I note that copies are available for as little as $4.50 (plus shipping if customer is not Prime).
(th)
Louis,
Would you be willing to release the Sagan City you created to the Open Source community?
In several posts in this series, you have indicated willingness to encourage others to work with the concept.
It would be only a small step for you to declare the Sagan City you created, at coordinates of 34.58 degrees West and 21 degrees North
to be released to the Open Source community for development without your further guidance or direction.
Please be specific in your reply, because ambiguity is destructive. Potential contributors will (or may) worry about your prior claim, so your gift of complete release is necessary to increase the probability someone (or perhaps several people) will decide to take on the challenge of treating Sagan City as a "real" concept which can be implemented on Mars.
At the beginning of this series, I offered the observation that a city is a social construct. Businesses (are said to) hate uncertainty, and I would guess that individuals may share this point of view. The people needed to build upon your initial concept would include architects and city planners. There is a need for people familiar with the law, and ideally, practiced in land claims. The need (I see) for the immediate next stage is to secure recognition of the location you have specified as legally binding. The human institution best suited (as far as I can see) for legal recognition of a claim of land on Mars is the United Nations.
Persons with a level of comfort working with national representatives to the United Nations are needed to move this project forward.
With a bit of finesse, Mars can be placed on a path toward recognition as a Nation in the United Nations, thus increasing chances of a amicable future for relationships between residents of the planet and residents of Earth, and reducing chances of conflict due to misguided aggression by groups who might perceive a potential advantage by use of force.
(th)
For Void:
I thought of you and your water pipes under the surface of Mars, when I heard this story today:
https://www.npr.org/2018/05/05/60862256 … rnia-waves
It is not out of the question for an entertainment venue similar to this to exist on Mars, assuming a water rich solar object comes by within collection range. The waves created by the machinery in the lesser gravity of Mars would (presumably) attract surfers from around the Solar System.
(th)
So, more progress of my kind, as I may be a hero/zero in my own mind.
Per post #1, should boring company type tunneling occur, and if tailings need constructive disposal, (This is more or less a review), we would hope to have a cement or glue/resin. I think the glue/resin is going to come from the atmosphere and water.
So, for the half water filled tunnels, a method could be formed where the air in the tunnels is passed to these structures which would not be heated more than necessary. The result should be condensation of water inside the cone structures, and if provided for the formation of a pool/pond. The walls of these cone structures may be expected to be rather thick, as boring tunnels is going to provide a lot of tailings. Without a struggle to heat the cone, and with methods of shielding the surface of the cones from solar heating, I would expect the walls of the cones to be naturally cold on Mars, and in many places also to a lesser extent on Earth.
Hammer away if you like. I can handle it.
For Louis:
I've updated the Attributes post to remove the label founder. You are now listed as "Suggested by:"
For SpaceNut ... I'm in support of your suggestion to Louis... This could be a popular book, if Louis is inspired to combine his vision capability with the complementary hard science and engineering insights provided by members of this forum.
I regret the loss of Sagan City as a viable real planet possibility, but welcome the possibility of a science fiction book using the theme.
To see the updated attributes post:
Use SearchTerm: and :SaganCity author tahanson43206
(th)
Hi Louis,
I am pulling this small section of your longer post which begins with discussion of the Viking I site.
Would you agree that you DID come up with the name of the proposed city?
Would you agree that you published the name on the NewMars forum?
Would you agree that you agreed to specify a location of the proposed city on the surface of Mars?
Would you agree that you agreed to specify dimensions (boundaries) for Sagan City?
I accept that you have stated repeatedly that you do not want to serve as "leader" or "mayor" of Sagan City, and now I am wondering if you do not wish to be recognized as "founder" of Sagan City. Your description of the city as fictional signals (to me at least) that you do not believe the city can come into being in actuality, and that it will remain forever a science fiction fantasy shared with readers of the NewMars forum, soon to fade into the oblivion from which SpaceNut occasionally rescues topics he considers worthy of another look.
(th)
I never appointed myself leader of the fictional/inspirational Sagan City.
I am very happy for people to have their own ideas about development. I intend to press on with my own timeline but would be very interested to hear how other people see things.
"power, air and other gas supply, agricultural products, industrial support and transportation services" have all been extensively discussed here, but there is always room for a fresh perspective.
If I was a real CEO of a real Sagan City my view would be "Happy to appoint this person and see how they perform in line with the overall plan, but they don't get complete autonomy. Quality control and adherence to the overall development programme are important."
Louis,
Per your clarification, I have removed reference to the Viking I landing site from the Attributes post.
Thanks for your additional thoughts on the topic of Sagan City.
(th)
Louis,
I have updated Post #21 to show the area and boundaries you have defined.
Please note that for simplicity of reference for future inquiries, I have selected the Viking I landing site as the center of the circle.
Please advise if this is not acceptable.
My objective is to remove ambiguity from decisions made to bring Sagan City into existence.
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I'd like to move on to another focus .... now that you have chosen a site and a set of boundaries for the city, will you agree to allow others to develop concepts on the surface of Mars without interference from you?
You have reserved Pi * 100 Kilometers square kilometers for your proposed city. That is an area large enough to hold millions of people in time.
If you accept my suggestion, you will accept that others can develop other areas on Mars without interference from you.
It is to be expected that the economic needs of the people of Sagan City will inspire others outside the City to supply those needs.
Examples are power, air and other gas supply, agricultural products, industrial support and transportation services.
I am picking up from your vision the impression that Sagan City itself would become a cultural center with living facilities attractive to visitors from elsewhere n Mars and from elsewhere in the Solar System.
If you agree to this proposal, you will free up opportunities for others to concentrate on the delivery of products and services needed by residents of the City itself.
Reminder: to reach Post #21 above, you can search for SearchTerm: and :SaganCityAttributesOf with Author tahanson43206
(th)
Louis,
This is a reminder that I've asked you to make another critical decision on behalf of your Sagan City concept.
Please squeeze in a moment, between your discussions of religion on Mars, to confirm my suggestion or make another that you find more pleasing.
Hi Louis,
I would like to bring focus back to the topic of defined boundaries, which you have to this point refrained from setting. I recall your point of view as being based upon human history, in which (apparently) most settlements arbitrarily defined by a camp site expanded over time into large tracts of land.
Please consider expanding the Sagan City boundaries to a circle 100 kilometers from the center you have already defined.
Please further consider defining a square for allocation of property inscribed within the circle, with East, West, North and South quadrants.
Finally, please consider reserving the chord regions for city property, to be used for parks, agriculture, power collection and for other community purposes.
If someone else in the forum has the ability to do so, please create an image that reflects this concept.
(th)
(th)
Hi Louis,
Thanks for taking up the boundaries issue, along with several other topics active in this series.
I am happy to see the discussion of how to deal with religion continuing. In my opinion there is a way to go before the vision for Sagan City is satisfying or at least acceptable to the majority of potential residents.
However, I would like to keep focus on boundaries for the city, because I have not yet succeeded in persuading you of the importance of defining them.
Closely related to the issue of boundaries is the larger issue of Rule of Law and its cousin, Property Rights, and the related issue of Free Enterprise.
It is entirely possible you have already assured your audience of your support of these fundamental concepts, and that I have just overlooked it.
Boundaries for Sagan City are essential for establishing at the outset that Property Rights are recognized by the Founder.
At this point, it seems to me that you are (accidentally of course) encouraging a free-for-all in which the rich and powerful take everything they want when they want it.
No doubt I am misinterpreting your intention.
(th)
Well the issue of boundaries is an interesting one.
I haven't sorted out my thoughts on that entirely...
As a thought experiment I would like to ask do we actually need city boundaries and state or regional boundaries?
Hi Louis,
Thanks for the clarification of your views on religion, and for expanding your explanation. I had focused upon the word "secular" and overlooked your acknowledgement of the existence of religion.
My intention is to come back to this topic at some point, because I think it will be helpful for you to extend and expand your thinking.
However, I would like to bring focus back to the topic of defined boundaries, which you have to this point refrained from setting. I recall your point of view as being based upon human history, in which (apparently) most settlements arbitrarily defined by a camp site expanded over time into large tracts of land.
However, in recent centuries, that model has become less common. Far more common is the model of the layout of Washington, D.C., which was supervised by a cadre of professional surveyors.
In the present time, the ancient undisciplined campsite model seems to me inappropriate, and fraught with seeds of conflict.
Please consider expanding the Sagan City boundaries to a circle 100 kilometers from the center you have already defined.
Please further consider defining a square for allocation of property inscribed within the circle, with East, West, North and South quadrants.
Finally, please consider reserving the chord regions for city property, to be used for parks, agriculture, power collection and for other community purposes.
If someone else in the forum has the ability to do so, please create an image that reflects this concept.
(th)
2034
The tenth anniversary of humans first landing on Mars! The date gets a lot of attention on Earth, where billions of people are fascinated by developments on our "cousin" planet.
Religion: None. Mars regulatory approach is secular. There is a standing instruction that religious observance must be a matter of private observance. No Mars Development Corporation (MDC) facilities are made available for communal religious worship.
Hi Louis,
Thanks for both those links ... the first did not come up (timed out) but the second did, and I pulled down the pdf policy document.
That is too much to read right now, but I'm interested in taking a closer look in the new future.
In the mean time, I note that you have been setting down elements that might become part of "Louis's Planetary Protection Policy"
The prohibition against religion is interesting but (to my mind impractical) my guess is that human beings invent or adopt religion as a basic need.
My interpretation is that religions are software for neural networks. They've evolved with human brains, and (I suspect) will continue to evolve as human beings gain better understanding of the Universe. An attempt to ban religion is (to my way of thinking) equivalent to banning human beings.
Your vision may include concepts that are designed to limit conflict between individuals or groups, but I've not yet had time to study your recent flow of articles in order to know.
In the mean time, I'd like to remind you that what exists today at the United Nations is subject to change, and you are in a position (as a UK citizen) to attempt to bring about beneficial change through your official representative to the UN.
With so much going on right now in the UK, the good lady might appreciate a change of pace ... something else to think about.
(th)
My concern is that the UNOOSA is unduly influenced by COSPAR -
https://cosparhq.cnes.fr/about
COSPAR has a very restrictive policy on what it calls "planetary protection" which I see as an anti-colonisation strategy:
https://cosparhq.cnes.fr/scientific-structure/ppp
If you let the UN dominate Mars exploration and settlement, they will restrict it. This is in the interests of space agencies that are now way behind Space X in terms of a Mars capability. They will back a restrictive approach to "planetary protection". But once they have the capability they will establish bases on Mars. Initially these may be like the Antarctic bases but I don't think it will be too long before people realise that Mars has huge capacity for settlement.
I don't think it will take long before these "bases" become national settlements. We will see religious groups of various types - Baptists, Scientologists, Islamic groups etc want to get in on the action.
Before you know it, Mars will be replicating all of Earth's petty divisions and hatreds.