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Thanks for your in depth explanation Tmcom.
Is this a giant rat on Mars???
No, (you can see the ref, landscape on the left) but my video, (first post here) shows some rats and one rabbit. The rabbit one is fascinating as it doesn't appear in some images and in others.
Spirit Rover Sol 87
On Sol 87, the Spirit Rover sent back to earth some remarkable images. These raw image files were acquired from NASA https://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/2 … 3L0M1.HTML
Is this a huge animal mozying across the Martian plain, or could it be something else? Perhaps just a giant Martian scarecrow?
Using the available two stereo files, I was able to forge this excellent 3D image for evaluation,
Below is the 3D image from the raw stereo images gathered from the two Navcam cameras mounted up high. They are taken at roughly ground level.
In an effort to try and get a better 3D effect for close up the magnification, in the image below, you may need to pull back and forth until you get a nice sense of the depth of field.
The lower is forged for viewing at close range.
So the question now is, what is it? One thing I did notice was that the "BLC" (Bear Like Creature) did not move in the frames as first suspected and will show the evidence a little later.
Upon close inspection in anaglyph, I noticed the BLC was sporting a sort of garment with a collar and even round buttons!
For all intents and purposes (literally), I believe the "statue" is intended to be a representation of a familiar earthlike creature although.....quite alien!
Stunning!
Saw this years ago, it is a reflection, (shadow is the dark bit, etc).
PS don't post the rodent one, another one.
Yes, good pictures.. it is so risky to say they are animals. On the other hand, it is curious that I was watching a documentary about ancient Egypt and appear the same as this, some kind of huts
True, too risky, but if l can find prickles as far as the eye can see, it should only be a matter of time before a wind animal comes up to take a closer look at the rover.
But with Mars being hammered twice, it is unlikely that anything prehistoric is there.
I have no doubt that small rodents are there, (saw plenty of rats, with some being so frickin good there has to be tipping over certainly) in the past.
But as l have learned with Google results, they can be biased, or the rubbish comes to the top, and legitimate is buried, regardless of what you are searching for.
This is occurring in chat rooms, where skeptics have given up and left, (or trying to show solid evidence to people who don't want to see) and the ones remaining are birds of a feather, in the true sense.
Facts don't matter even with an ever increasing list of crazy replys from NASA, etc.
But that is why popcorn was invented, lol.
sorry Tmcom.. I found those pictures of the herds on that page. No more links to those pictures.. even they cannot be widened. Sure those pictures were taken from an orbiter.
Yes, ... it turns out that on Mars there are two types of winds... the wind that dirties the solar panels of the rover and a second wind that cleans them..
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that is really curious.. I don't know what to think about it
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Ok, managed to find it.
Top, left is from Earth, and right from Mars, that is compelling, but still not a sure thing.
Next the b/w ones, same thing right really looks like animals, but left it looks like natural formations.
I would like to say yes, but cannot for these examples, but.....
https://newsinstact.com/space/nasa-huge … s-on-mars/
Scroll down a bit and it gets more feasible.
Page where I found the herd https://civilizacionesantiguasyufologia … marte.html
There are several Youtube researchers saying that someone is cleaning the solar panels of the rover on Mars. Maybe I support this idea, it is impossible to think that the rover is always clean. Besides, there are lots of sandstorms that can dirty the solar panels. It is impossible that those panels have never been dirtied by sand due to that.
Even we many think that there is a colony of humans on Mars since long ago.
Ok, thanks but l don't speak spanish, and there where no links, so most likely an orbital image from somewhere.
Yes, read about that years ago, Opp/Spirit, has a lot of baked on dust and the next day it was clean. Of course NASA makes up some crap about special anti static dust devils, (which if true would have affected the rovers instruments of electrical systems, but nothing there).
Or pretty obvious that those rovers went through a severe rainstorm!
As l have learned when l showed the UFO/Apollo one, people bought that a 11 ton curved panel being 11,000 km away was somehow moving alongside the Apollo module, and moving in the wrong diection, as well as changing direction or under intelligent control.
Some just cannot handle what is in front of them.
sarcophagus and eye of horus on Mars
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tqjx5JxrYM8/ … us%2B1.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6bKNjrrInmA/ … s-%2B2.jpg
The eye one is probably legit, (cannot see how the rovers, ref, could be this) man working on the rover, no, covered that or it is part of the rovers robotic arm or assembly of tools attachment, but the herd on the move,...cool, not 100% certain, but pretty close.
Or some could argue that it is rocks on sand or mud, (still have muddly salty water) but the patterns and indications of the water flows being interrupted make it so compelling.
We know that Mars is Earthlike so it is probably what it looks like, a herd of something on Mars, moving through some shallow rivers, but what,...deer, something in our distant past that survived on Mars, or somethng new.
I went to the Museum today, and spent some time at the meteorite part, wondering are the rocks l am seeing from the giant planet we used to have in our system, and since there were so many, and we know Mars shows strong signs of being tidalling locked with a bigger planet, most likely.
PS give us the link to the herd one, or the raw image, wouldn't mind taking a closer look at that one.
Typical martian landscape today.
First we have this tall green thing on the left, or a tree or prickle.
Then we see the sun setting, and some strange things on the landscape, which may be the rover, but the next one sure isn't!
The dark thing down the bottom is the rovers shadow, with strange, plant type things dottering the landscape?
But these are a group of plants, or l believe a landscape of martian prickles, (CP on the red arrow ones show strong green here and there).
And these plants as far as the eye can see, are growing on a lanscape with -179, below at night a few times a week, with 97% CO2, and virtually no atmosphere,...sure!
Tmcom wrote:https://m.phys.org/news/2019-11-mars-sc … ralia.html
NASA,s next mission probably costing another billion, to drill a few metres in the ground in order to find active microbes, worms, etc then botch it up and tell us it found nada.
Oh, and give us constant low grade images, that even a $150 dollar camera on Earth could exceed, for laughs.
It will keep the herd happy that is the main thing.
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They want to tell the truth, but they can't. Just when they say that there are microbes, small animals... the option to think that very tall beings lived on Mars will be open. They are in a dead end. Either they will tell the truth, or they will be shut up for life.
True, maybe l should go to JPL, in California, and try to get a job there, then after signing the non-disclosure, would see lakes, rivers, puddles rain, probably thunder, houses, industrial complexes, plants and tree,s and the locals taking a closer look.
Then go home and try to live with it!
It will be disclosed within our lifetimes, otherwise this trickle disclosure we are currently getting wouldn't be happening, adding to the fact that some are messing about with magnetic systems that can give us mains power for a hundred years or more and antigravity. So one individual could effectively map out the moon and share that online, or mars.
I figure that would scare NASA more than Musk.
https://m.phys.org/news/2019-11-mars-sc … ralia.html
NASA,s next mission probably costing another billion, to drill a few metres in the ground in order to find active microbes, worms, etc then botch it up and tell us it found nada.
Oh, and give us constant low grade images, that even a $150 dollar camera on Earth could exceed, for laughs.
It will keep the herd happy that is the main thing.
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This Youtube channel is impressive https://www.youtube.com/user/joewhitesoundisciple
Yees, l found that years ago, (pretty sure it is in my video, first post) and the second object is the rover ref, in a rock.
But enough of old relics, let's see some real martian tech,....
First though, a likely water drop, right, and the sun setting, arrow, (white sun, not blue).
And this, top/left what looks like transmission towers, (pretty sure NASA blurred this) and the rest of my images, more of the same, confirming that this isn't something on the rock itself.
And the bottom/right we get a good look at one of them, (the landscape behind this is just visible, as is the blue sky, with the fact that the rover doesn't have any silver spheres or spoon like antenna on it.
These appear to be placed across the landscape, and have no wires, so best guess since they are too close together to be communication based, they must be for transmission of electricity, probably using Tesla's idea, (well, Tesla claimed to have gotten a lot of his ideas from a self aware computer deep within the planet of Mars).
So quite ironically, when we have all out contact, all of Tesla's ideas, will be shown on a planet wide scale, which is a threat to oil.
Alfred Webre has privileged information on Mars. He says four humanoid races live now on the planet. (in the equatorial area), underground. In the center of the planet is where there is more oxygen. (I have put some photos of those humanoids in this forum, walking on Mars surface).
Of course, NASA has free energy spaceships, if they reveal this, the petrol business will have a very short future.
And yes, Tmcom, to me the temperature on Mars is maximum 15ºC, minimum around 150ºC. But this is also speculation. I suppose the minimum temperatures are during the night.
Not sure about 4, unless you are including the small Earth contingent. Or the centre of the planet, since it is molten, (l know NASA said that but it makes sense with the magnetic field).
True, they are trying to develop the zero point crystal cube that a man can walk about with and can power a city, but do have the nuclear powered spacecraft that uses capacitors and generates a million volts around the craft. Effectively allowing it to travel at near light speed, by changing the fields strengths at each end, or a working warp drive. And changes space/time around the craft.
Since the top of Mars has rainforest areas, and near the equator, (where the rover is) has ferns, that wouldn't survive -200, or minus -20 for that matter, l tend to believe that Mars is -2, to +50, although overall, including the polar caps, -20+, (well, what our average polar temps are).
About the only thing we need to worry about in 2033, is how hysterical the ones that use fear and cannot accept that NASA has lied to them will take it?
I personally expect after years of dealing with these types, that all chat groups across the internet will go quiet!
And stay quiet for weeks, maybe months, although the ones that will accept facts and evidence without bias, will be telling these types, who they have had to endure for years on end, Exactly What NASA found!
Probably using colorful grammar and loving every minute of it!
But that is a long way off, getting up to speed, for us, so we can slap the indoctrinated about is more important!
More rain!
Two pretty obvious pure water drops today on the rover, which according to NASA's air pressure fable, is impossible, lol.
Yeah, well impossible rain from impossible rain clouds pooling into impossible puddles and lakes, etc!
If you think NASA are lying about temperatures you have to also include ESA (and probably ISA) whose temperature record agrees with NASA essentially. It's a global conspiracy to lie about Mars temperatures?... hmmm... I don't buy that.
jorgear wrote:I think there is much more oxygen on Mars than what NASA tells us. And more conditions of life, at least in the center of the planet. And I also think temperatures are not so low and more comfortable for human life. At least during the daytime.
Yeah, ESA, are lying also, they released the global image of Mars, (the one l distortion corrected) and now, no trace of it on their site!
All countries, have a pact, to keep a lid on Mars, since full disclosure leads to the three races living on Mars, which leads to free energy, which leads to oil being worthless, which leads to elite ....., having to give up their Dubai beach house and 10 lackies on standby lifestyle.
It also leads to eliminating poverty!
It only takes one person to blow the lid, NASA has Musk, almost on their leash, but they probably have their doubts about him! So they cannot keep a lid on it forever, especially when anyone can stick a $100 telescope at Mars, and see that it has a blue atmosphere and green patches.
I have seen the dodgy temp,s for Mars, and they basically moved the decimal place so, -179, (typical coldest temp, at night) is actually, -1.79, (typical coldest in desert areas on Earth).
-17, is Russia, blizzard temps, on Earth, or near impossible for plant life to grow or get a foothold, -179, forget it, nothing could cope with that, or that is way past Death Valley, licken barely survives levels.
Yes, Tmcom, on Mars there are forests, lakes, even it snows, NASA recognises there are clouds https://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/MPF/science/clouds.html
That is different to what they told decades ago, when they painted the Mars photos in red.
NASA does say that there are high altitude cirrus clouds only, not the rain clouds l keep finding.
They tend to release the bare minimum so not to spook the 30% that will never accept it, although they also released the liquid water under a metre of ice, near one of the caps, which should be impossible, as well as the methane one.
I know that the liquid lake one, got at least one of the skeptics thinking, but not much else, the skeptical don't accept evidence, like we do, they do something else.
And continue to aviod it until NASA realeases a nature special on Mars, or a gray becomes their next door neighbor.
Our tree again, showing clouds, blue hills in the background. The green up top is pretty obvious, (CP shows lime green).
And to top it off....
This with blue hills, trees, and what looks like a lake with some mist rolling in, (bottom arrow appears to show the reflection).
And the details on the right, no idea?
the sad part of this is that they are spending thousands of millions of dollars in arriving on Mars to take photos that they manipulate, filter with colors, remove, put in black and white... in short, to cheat the population. What a big loss of money for nothing!
They spent just over a billion for Curiosity.
http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/218661? … dI0jDlASos
Scoured throught this, and this seems to be at sunset with weird rocks and as you will see one of the best ref, tree's l have seen so far. But had trouble seeing the ruins although some things l found where probably artificial, or either water taps or retaining bolts.
Top, the tree or more likely a tall prickle type tree, similar to Earths ones.
Next what looks like a retaining bolt, but l still don't think that it is a towns rubble, more likely considering that some of these rocks are close to falling off, and bopping some unsuspecting alien, they are shoring these rocks up.
The next one is probably reflecting some of the landscape back, but this seriously looks like metal than rock.
Last a landscape full of weird tree, or prickles, either way a truly alien landscape.
NASA will always deny this, since a trillion in oil still stuck in the ground is a pretty good motivating stick.
As always, the liars of NASA deny life on Mars https://www.foxnews.com/science/nasa-de … es-on-mars
Yes, l do find his insect image to be a ref, rock only, or a pity he didn't come here, first, since l and we have found more solid evidence, artifacts, etc.
Mysterious white light, lol, probably the sun setting without any of the blue everything nonsense, that NASA pushes, that does occur at some sunsets for a short time, but not 100% of the time!
But between NASA lies and the brainwashed, indoctrinated population, (well, 30%, that seem to hang around forums) the rest know that something is going on.
You can't have all Hubble images showing a blue atmosphere around Mars, thicker than Earths if it is a dead rock, nor can you have water drops on the rover coming from no where?
Or a red sky on the surface when Viking showed blue, (before the supposed tech, hitch). Or how many times has NASA landed on a planet and screwed up the image, never is the answer.
The sheeple literally cannot except that some conspiracys are real, and will go to any lenghs to the point of insanity to prove that something that is obvious, isn't.
And will be scared s....less when NASA actually shows the lot!
Solid UFO evidence around Apollo missions, same thing, anger, stupidity and weak rebuttels, (link on this thread) eventhough l showed solid evidence that an intelligently controlled craft that definitely wasn't one of the panels that NASA claimed, followed alonside.
Or it was 11k away, but if NASA says, the herd believe, not the truth, anything but.
The herd will chew their cud, ignore everything that upsets them, at least until NASA spooks them, and off the cliff they go.
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I posted this on another thread but it's very relevant here I think. Looks to be a remarkable find unlike anything else I have seen from Mars (others have noted that as well).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdAvZwP3piQ&t=874s
Joe White thinks it could be a fresco style wall image. It's important to note that it does appear to be in what could be a ruined room or chamber of some sort.
Yes, nice find, and this painting has been smeared by NASA, (that is pretty obvious with my 10 years experience) which means apart from NASA intentionally hiding things from us, (which shouldn't be a surprize by now) there is something there that isn't natural.
I will take a closer look at that when l can.
But his other things, like a weird rock on the hill, and such, probably not worth my time, but the artwork, which a local most likely painted on this rock to get our attention, is worth my time.
Going by aboriginal paintings on rocks in AU, most disappear if there isn't any protection against the elements, so this Mars one, has to be recent, cool.
Snakes on Mars?
No, but the green in the background is more compelling. And you have to be careful with some images, l thought that the Hamster was legit, when l heard about it, but later realized it was just a reflection.
Yes, that is the trouble with top search results they are usually not that good, but l would say that the first is an over eager rockhound, fretting over a reflective rock, and the second shows more promise as some ancient artifact than an insect.
Here is one l saw years ago, that isn't 100% confirmed, but does have a 50/50 chance of being a martian spider, that the rover squished, (video first post).
I really wish these newbies wouldn't see a square rock and do a video about it being a house brick, after a half hour search, l have been running through Curiosity images since it landed, or 6 years, (and before then with Spirit/Opportunity) so major discoveries like water drops on the rover, and such has taken me years to find, not a half hour at McDonalds.
And as everyone knows l don't muck about, if l find a couple of grays posing for a selfie, l will post it here.
A few bones today, or petrified tree trunk?
First this weird rock that may be artificial, but the thing below it sure looks fake.
Sure looks like a bone?
And this sure looks like a tree trunk or giant bone, dinosaurs on Mars?
Something that looks very mars like here is Wolfer Creek meteor crater in Western Australia.
http://www.spxdaily.com/images-hg/wolfe-creek-meteor-crater-western-australia-hg.jpg
Yees, and these from WA, in AU, are most likely very similar to the Great Lakes system up the top of Mars, that is if NASA cut the crap.
Insects, bees, reptiles on Mars. Scientists and NASA start to recognise the truth https://scitechdaily.com/photos-show-ev … creatures/
Yes, pretty blurry, but the third ones shows merit.
Great video, thought, although l don't agree that NASA will keep a lid on this forever, since with Musk and others getting into space, it is only a matter of time before they spill it.
NASA will spill the beans, in 2033, and it is true that some refuse to see it, no matter what you do, or how good the evidence, that is true for a lot of things, facts are ignored and emotional recklessness takes over.
Not much today, plants, alien party...
Top left, probably a rock, or part of a stone building blown off, below that, no it is not a machine part, but it is part of the rover, (probably the leg) being reflected back to us; but look at how it is being reflected,...or what looks like a perfect mirror, this might be a shiny rock fluke, or more deliberate staging.
Right, bottom, more weird plants, above that the dark sculpture again, which seems to be hollow, and is supported by a wire or metal pole, or another letterbox.
Above that plants in the foreground, a lake and distant hills, (it is probably mist).
This weird thing that looks like a martian gray sculpture, and going by the next image, part of a collection.
Left, the shadow shows a plant with bulb or leaves with a few flowers up top, but nothing is there, above, (good example of NASA intentionally blurring out plant life).
And right, what looks like a group of Grays watching something? But going by the last collage scultpure more likely that this is a row of houses with these acting like letterboxes, or there body are too thin to be a legit gray.
Could even be a martian cemetery, but either way these things are not the rover, or a rock formation, (the odd's are in the trillions that each one would resemble an grays head, etc).
It would help if you gave a link...are you talking about average temperature? I've never seen a figure as high as -2 (celsius???) for Mars at night.
Tmcom wrote:SpaceNut wrote:I guess the question is whether the air pressure sensors did read the content correctly with the cold that we see on mars or was it damaged in some way while going through the landing phase of the mission.
Are there more sensing on mars that show something diffent than what we are being told is true?
The droplet seen on mars polar lander are well known for evaporation as it appears out of what seemed like no where.
Not sure of the others for droplets...
Noted how low the solar really is and that's just the fan out effect and distance that lowers the value.Arrm, no, NASA had a lot of data about temperature ranges, and just moved the decimal place so -2, (typical desert night temp on earth) was -200.
Moved as in faked!
Siberia, Russia was the coldest day ever recorded, l think in the 80's, and was minus 80 below at night during a fierce blizzard. So minus 200 a few times a week all year, would kill anything organic, including algea, (only some Death Valley type fungus may cling onto life).
If you don't believe in the plant life idea from me, then go to Googleearth/Mars and look around til you find some.
I guess the question is whether the air pressure sensors did read the content correctly with the cold that we see on mars or was it damaged in some way while going through the landing phase of the mission.
Are there more sensing on mars that show something diffent than what we are being told is true?
The droplet seen on mars polar lander are well known for evaporation as it appears out of what seemed like no where.
Not sure of the others for droplets...
Noted how low the solar really is and that's just the fan out effect and distance that lowers the value.
Arrm, no, NASA had a lot of data about temperature ranges, and just moved the decimal place so -2, (typical desert night temp on earth) was -200.