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#201 Re: Not So Free Chat » Sudan, the Barbarian Kingdom » 2007-12-06 15:28:08

This is perhaps the biggest oil myth out there. If the west stops buying oil, the price will drop only to the point were developing countries can afford it, and the oil states will then take advantage of them. And they are a lot easier to influence socially, politically, religiously, ect than we are. Remember the Sudanese genocide is little more than Arab colonization of Africa.

Any technology that the wetst develops will be available on sale to the rest of the world.  A drop in oil price reduces Arab power rather than enhances it.

This is a technology that will challenge the economies of the West to proliferate. It will be a good long time before third world economies can join the club. Were do you think they will go in the mean time? 

You seem to be suggesting that the west should deploy its military to protect Christianity against Islam in the third world.  Is that really a fight we want to pick?  Is it not the responsibility of the Africans to defend themselves?

Was it not the responsibility of the British government to defend its people from the Germans? Is this really a game you want to play?

Don't you realize that by reducing the equation to one of predators and prey, we become just as barbaric.

#202 Re: Not So Free Chat » Sudan, the Barbarian Kingdom » 2007-12-06 08:20:36

Iran simply isn't a geopolitical threat to the US.  It is a waste of US time, lives and money to attempt to push around these desert states.

Iran controls a good chunk of the world's oil and gas reserves and much of the rest is in its neighborhood. Through its proxy terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah, Iran has destabilized the Middle East and brought endless conflict throughout the region. Iran has close alliances with Russia and China, who in turn use Iran as a proxy in their worldwide struggle with US power.

Iran's oil reserves are significant, but are only a small proportion of total Middle east reserves.  And Iranian production has already peaked, which goes some way to explaining why these people feel that they need nuclear power and why they are so desperate to keep oil prices high.

If their that worried about their own supply, maybe they should stop selling it to China.

All the more reason for the wetst to develop technologies that lessen our dependance on oil.  Oil's sprinciple value is as an easily refined feedstock for transport fuels.  If most of our transport switches to electric, the price of oil will decline, the incomes of these desert states will crash and they will no longer be able to fund their supposed weapons programme.  Again, the solution needs to be technological rather than military.

I repeat...

This is perhaps the biggest oil myth out there. If the west stops buying oil, the price will drop only to the point were developing countries can afford it, and the oil states will then take advantage of them. And they are a lot easier to influence socially, politically, religiously, ect than we are. Remember the Sudanese genocide is little more than Arab colonization of Africa.

#203 Re: Not So Free Chat » Sudan, the Barbarian Kingdom » 2007-12-05 22:57:26

Putin is a good nationalist who is trying to do what is in the long-term interests of his people.  The overwhelmingly marxist western media try to rubbish him at every opportunity.  But the fact is that he is overwhelmingly popular amongst his people and living standards have risen rapidly under his presidency.

The economy has improved do to high oil prices, and Putin has about as much to do with that as Al Gore has to do with the internet boom of the 90's. Though it would explain why he would want to allow tension with Iran to simmer.

Bush has had to deal with an overwhelmingly Marxist western media trying to rubbish him at every opportunity as well. The people can tell and the only thing you can do is let them burn themselves up in their own hatred.

As for Sudan, why should we care what the insignificant rulers of this desert state try to inflict on their people within their own borders?  The only people that need to suffer their cruelty are those unfortunate enough to live in their country.  Western governments should withdraw their people, cut off aid, issue a general warning against any western travel there and generally leave the Sudanese to their own devices.  It is not our business to tell them how run their country, nor is it in our interests to risk the lives of our people in some pointless invasion and pacification activity.  The value of this desert country does not justify the effort.

Yeah, we tried that with Afghanistan. It didn't work.

Generally, instead of attempting to force third world nations to accept our political will, western countries should minimise their dependance on the resources and people of these nations and generally involve ourselves as little as possible in their affairs.  This is more cost effective than attempting to control them through colonial rule.

Democratic intervention has nothing to do with enforcing political will onto another people, and everything to do will allowing the peoples will to be enforced in their own country, at least as far as any government of man can enforce the will of the people it pretends to represent.

If the US and Britain had invested the money required to invade and pasify Iraq in more and better electricity infrastructure and nuclear plants and had instituted an electric highway scheme, we would be well on our way to being independant of foreign oil imports and in a much more secure position than we are in now.  Instead, we are stuck with an oil economy and every single day more young men and women are added to the toll of lives that has had to be paid to maintain our oil addiction.

This is perhaps the biggest oil myth out there. If the west stops buying oil, the price will drop only to the point were developing countries can afford it, and the oil states will then take advantage of them. And they are a lot easier to influence socially, politically, religiously, ect than we are. Remember the Sudanese genocide is little more than Arab colonization of Africa.

#204 Re: Life support systems » Greenhouses » 2007-12-05 22:34:05

I don't see an issue with power shortages, but grow lights do burn out and are fragile. Your going to have to use as much available light as possible.

A Hydroponic greenhouse of the Earth salad bar staples and cereals for man and beast is vital to all our efforts. Nuclear surface, and even transit power is almost a necessity, if not a given already, so our heating and lighting supplements are covered. The biggest remaining issues are bulk scale nutrient creation, and ensuring a clean primary light source.

I quite agree that we go nuclear or we don't go at all. But I think we need to stick with sunlight for crop growth given the power needed. Nuclear power is great, but it has limits. I cannot imagine a successful base without in situ production/capture of gases, water, fuel, plastics, and iron/steel as well as excavation. All of these are power hogs and spending little energy on food production would really help. What do you think?

Of course you have to take full advantage of everything that is free. But we can't depend on it either. Remember on the moon we have two weeks with/without the sun, and Mars has dust storms. We have to plan to produce a baseline level of light regardless.

#205 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming Venus » 2007-12-03 22:30:41

You'll be able to build several sun shades/reflectors in the time it takes to aim and fire all your KBO's.

#206 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming Venus » 2007-12-03 09:29:19

Isn't Venus still volcanically active?

If the planet is still firing off these gases into the atmosphere, how much do you have to suck out to overcome that, and for how long?

#207 Re: Not So Free Chat » Sudan, the Barbarian Kingdom » 2007-12-02 14:34:32

I don't theres any trap here. Just a bunch of ruling backwards extremist mullahs who have raised the ire of some even more backwards extremist mullahs would like to rule, and discovered that there is a Western, female, unburka-ed, teacher, over which they can sir up a hornets nest for their own gain.

#208 Re: Human missions » Phobos & Deimos - Worthy targets for Martian exploration? » 2007-12-02 13:34:50

If we were to do a Phobos Mission, we'd have to stay for as long as a Mars mission though. They'd have to bring alot of empty fuel tanks into Phobos Orbit, and some kind of oven to bake out the volitiles and a means to collect the gasses and store them in the tanks, perhaps liquifying them first. Water might do, if we had a nuclear heating source, or we can split it into hydrogen and oxygen to be used in a chemical rocket. Now if they are going to be there for 26 months, is that too much time to collect all that fuel or not enough. If the astronauts collect all the fuel they need and they still have time left over then what?

Yeah, your still going to be limited to launch windows. But since were likely be using fuel derived from the Martian atmosphere, theres no reason we can't use that to support continuous Phobos-Deimos operation for a separate crew. All we need is some reusable fuel carriers.

#209 Re: Life support systems » Greenhouses » 2007-12-01 22:52:46

I don't see an issue with power shortages, but grow lights do burn out and are fragile. Your going to have to use as much available light as possible.

A Hydroponic greenhouse of the Earth salad bar staples and cereals for man and beast is vital to all our efforts. Nuclear surface, and even transit power is almost a necessity, if not a given already, so our heating and lighting supplements are covered. The biggest remaining issues are bulk scale nutrient creation, and ensuring a clean primary light source.

#210 Re: Human missions » Phobos & Deimos - Worthy targets for Martian exploration? » 2007-12-01 22:22:18

Your standard orion CM/SM is probably a little small for a NEO, and certainly doesn't have room for any amount of surface equipment. Especially considering such missions are expected to last up to 90 day.

A relatively simple inflatable hab, perhaps even an off the self Bigelow would provide all the extra space needed, along with an airlock and a mini-EDS. All of which would be short evolutionary step from either Lunar or LEO architecture, and a stepping stone to Mars. Its a good platform for post CEV lunar sorties consisting of a 6 man or more multinational crew.

In fact, If Mars is done right and we put the needed infrastructure in Mars orbit and on ground early on capable of supporting a growing population, we can dispense with large and complicated long duration transit craft and send one or several of these cheap little habs with 6-8 people on a sub 90 day trip either way when the launch window opens up. The short transit times keep the health risks of zero-g and solar flares to a minimum, and they can recover in Mars orbit, and they don't have bring everything with them, cause we did our homework on the surface. It's forgotten perk of the BSG method.;)

And yes, one of these is more than capable of Phobos-Deimos mission. Almost indefinitely if were bringing up fuel from the surface.

#211 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming techniques to combat global warming » 2007-12-01 21:51:03

Considering the strain that ethonal production is already putting on things, I would say it it would.

#212 Re: Not So Free Chat » Sudan, the Barbarian Kingdom » 2007-12-01 17:36:35

In other news, Mohammad is the most common boys name in the world.

Really just makes you want to nuke them from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

#213 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Global Warming: Try to stop it or Adapt? » 2007-11-29 23:51:07

Even better yet, just what do we have to do to properly adapt to a world devoid of permenant polar ice? First we would have to cease the emitting of CO2, because the slow unintentional bleed will clearly cause tremendous damage to an unprepared human civilization.  Then we'd have to determine if we could control the process, and maintain a stable level at the end, and I think its very important that such a goal is attainable in the maximum of human life span, less than a century. Anything more and your asking far to much of a generation who had nothing to do with the decision making process.

We need to be all on roughly the same level as far as Education is concerned. I use education as the standard only because it is the overriding factor controlling social and economic status. We need to close the education gap before the economic one because economics are probably more of an impediment in a situation such as this anyway. If people can gain the knowledge to live a modern, and necessarily mobile life and provide for their wants and needs on the rawest of the raw materials, then all this is just a matter of organization. Socially, we are in the midst of the last great social revolution of man. Technology is making the mere act of living less of a question, putting the driving force of man more in the quality category. The meaning of life will be far more of a concern than were the next meal comes from. Socially, two camps have developed, the free and the enslaved. The free think that every man has the right to act according to their beliefs so long as it doesn't infringe on others right to do the same. The enslaved, or rather the slave masters believe that any excerise of free will that varies from them is a bad influence that must be squashed as threat to them. This will either end when the free people prevail, or the whole thing will descend into thermonuclear genocide if the free people can't be bothered to stand up for themselves. And it will be settled in a generation or two.

That aside, the remaining road blocks are technological. The biggest single change is probably cheap carbon nanotubes for all your construction needs. Their isn't much that can't be made directly from them that can't be had locally pretty much anywhere.

#214 Re: Not So Free Chat » Oil Prices Surge to Record Heights - 90 US Dollars » 2007-11-29 18:19:37

Of course if congress continues to pull idiotic legislation out of its pie hole, the only reason carbon emissions will drop is cause people won't have cars.

Congress close to raising fuel economy standards

Aside from the simple fact that fuel economy is largely a function of weight and aerodynamics, there isn't a whole lot more that can be done without further compromising safety and durability.

And this insane fascination with ethanol will be the end of us, plain and simple. It's food or fuel, not both.

#215 Re: Not So Free Chat » Oil Prices Surge to Record Heights - 90 US Dollars » 2007-11-29 18:07:55

High oil prices is good news in the long run, the market will find alternatives if the government stays out of the way and doesn't try to find a solution and impose it on people.

Not if it prevents the average consumer from making the expensive transition to said alternatives.

#216 Re: Not So Free Chat » Terrorists invade US with Russian weapons » 2007-11-29 17:53:51

Yeah, the Eastern Europeans who ran to western democracies as soon as they could get away, and their doing relatively well. If Russia did the same they could be drowning in Western investment in its vast unexploited natural resources. Instead Russia trys something in the middle that is still getting them lots of oil money but no one seems to know were its going.

#217 Re: Space Policy » What Would You Ask GOP 2008 Presidential Candidates? » 2007-11-29 10:11:35

Tancredo is a single issue runner: the border fence. Beyond that he I don't think he pays much attention to anything.

#218 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Altair - Lunar Lander (LSAM) - status » 2007-11-29 09:28:32

Clearly they haven't tested it enough.  big_smile

Or is it like one of those lifetime agreements that say it will work every time until it doesn't. lol

#219 Re: Not So Free Chat » Terrorists invade US with Russian weapons » 2007-11-29 09:13:21

I'd be more worried about the uranium

The key to preventing the former Soviet block from hemorrhaging nasty stuff from the Soviet era is empowering and working with them. They have all the potential and sophistication as the west and none of the prosperity. Its no wonder their a little bitter and like to arbitrarily oppose us despite the obvious danger it puts them in.

#220 Re: Space Policy » What Would You Ask GOP 2008 Presidential Candidates? » 2007-11-29 09:03:14

Well, we might just have to vote Huckabee in 08:
Cnn Political Tracker

November 29, 2007
Huckabee floats idea of sending Hillary Clinton to space
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Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee would be happy to see Sen. Hillary Clinton go into space.

(CNN) — Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee outlined one special plan he'd consider for NASA's exploration of space.

"Maybe Hillary can be on the first rocket to Mars," he said, referring to the Democratic presidential frontrunner.

The Republican presidential candidate responded to a question asking if more money would be put into space exploration. His witty response about Clinton generated cheers from the St. Petersburg audience and followed his description of the earthly benefits of NASA's programs.

"Whether it's the medical technologies that saved many of our lives and the lives of our families, it's the direct result from the space program," he said. "We need to put more money into space and technology exploration."

The question, posed by Steve Nielson of Denver, Colorado, asked if the candidates would commit to sending Americans to Mars by the year 2020.

Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado disagreed with Huckabee's promise and would not commit to sending anyone to Mars because, "We can't afford some things, and going to Mars is one of them."

– CNN's Adam P. Levy

#221 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Global Warming: Try to stop it or Adapt? » 2007-11-28 10:09:00

Its a poorly worded question. There is no question whether we need to adapt to a change. We do. The question is where on the thermometer should the Earths temperature be.

#222 Re: Terraformation » Map of the Earth with 140m higher ocean? » 2007-11-28 00:02:39

I think he was referring to the comments on the place for technology in humans, but since it was part of the material provided I have conclude its just as fair game.

I think it's fascinating to ponder that the Earth we have may not be the best Earth we can have. Certainly its not something to stumble into, if there is any other way.

#223 Re: Not So Free Chat » Terrorists invade US with Russian weapons » 2007-11-27 23:54:06

Well lets see if they stop selling weapons to Iran. As far as I'm concerned Iran is a terrorist country. I feel that so long as Iran is supporting terrorist organizations such as Hamas, then Russia shouldn't be selling them additional weapons. I think the best thing the Russians can do is to cease producing the kinds of weapons the terrorists typically use, reequip their armed forces with new weapons that aren't compatable with the old weapons they previously produced, stop producing ammunition and spare parts for all those old Soviet weapons, and eventually those weapons will wear out or run out of ammo. Trade embargos against countries producing Soviet designed weapons without their permission would also help, that is a patent infringement after all, We could also sue those countries that give weapons to terrorists, and impose trade embargoes on them until they make restitution to all those victims of the terrorists they support and until that happens freeze them out and hold those countries responsible.

Iran deserves an arms embargo from everyone, not just Russia.

And we have a hard enough time stopping countries from producing WMD's on their own. I'll worry about those before the Aks.

Honestly, the best defense we have against ak's are our own. But I can't buy one in my state with anything bigger than a 10 round clip, much less a collapsible stock, a pistol grip, a silencer thread or bayonet lug. So really, were only disarming ourselves.

#224 Re: Terraformation » Map of the Earth with 140m higher ocean? » 2007-11-27 10:08:57

It begs the question, if we had a culture were it was acceptable to continuously rebuild itself, and as a result could "terraform" the Earth, what would we create?

#225 Re: Not So Free Chat » Terrorists invade US with Russian weapons » 2007-11-26 21:52:32

Russian designed stuff is produced, found, and used all over the world by former Soviet bloc countries, drug cartels, even various US allies because its so dam cheap. Its the legacy of the cold war we'll have to deal with for the next century or so.

We can't take it personally. I'm sure the Russians didn't like having their own stuff turned against them in Chechnya either.

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