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#176 Re: Interplanetary transportation » You're all to Mars-centered!!!!!! » 2008-01-06 17:55:12

I don't think any of the plans currently being floated put enough of a priority on utilizing local materials to build a base that would reduce the cost of transit and habitation.

The Moon is the only place to test the methods without putting dozens of lives and billions of dollars, and public and congressional support, at risk.

#177 Re: Space Policy » Mike Huckabee the most pro Space Program candidate? » 2008-01-06 17:43:04

He's not a religious bigot. Maybe your one of those people who thinks it should be neccircery to be an atheist to get into the white house.

Not at all.

His meteoric rise is due in large part to irrational fears, ignorance, and suspicions of the faith of one of his competitors. Something that any mature person who would seek to quell instead of stoke.

#178 Re: Space Policy » Mike Huckabee the most pro Space Program candidate? » 2008-01-04 19:39:08

He's said he wants to return Hillary Clinton to Mars.

I can see him trying it. Depends on which way Congress goes. Of course this would be a good thing. He also wants to do away with the income tax in favor of a national sales tax, which would be good.

It's to bad he's a religious bigot.

#179 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » What do you think of the ISS? » 2007-12-31 18:28:43

Really, the best thing we can do with the ISS is as a testbed for new station technologies. Once the Ares V is flying, design a big logistics module that would dock for several months to a year at a time to eliminate the need for several Progress launches. It could be partially pressurized, have air locks, plus probably as much Lab space as the station itself, and we wouldn't be tied down for decades with an outdated design. Being roughly the same size as the Shuttle you avoid stresses the station wasn't designed for.

I suppose you could use it a work site for lunar cyclers, or construction orbiters, but keep in mind that once done, you'll have to change their orbit to something more useful.

#180 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Toshiba Builds 100x Smaller Micro Nuclear Reactor » 2007-12-30 22:39:49

And that is why we BOOST ITS ORBIT.

Like it or loathe it, its the only space station we have, and it would cost more to scrap it and start again, so we might as well get some use out of it. Even if we strip it down for raw materials for a Moon craft.

Actually, once development of the Ares V and the Bigelow/Transhab inflatable modules are complete, we'll be able to dwarf the ISS in a single launch. At 1/50th the cost.

#181 Re: Interplanetary transportation » You're all to Mars-centered!!!!!! » 2007-12-30 22:33:51

I do think that Mars gets a degree of attention that doesn't give proper credit to the rest of the system. Mars, with out a doubt is the near term habitable destination. And given the political climate of the day, everyone sees one good shot of at least getting there. Unfortunately, the thought is that we'll find something so profound there that we'll stay. I have no such illusion of our legislators under the current system. It didn't work before. The plans currently being thrown around for Mars, or even the Moon will go the way of Apollo if we don't change the equation.

Having said that, I do think that the Moon is the great toe hold. A fairly simple mining operation will work great wonders for space exploration, and solve  our energy problems on Earth. But by the time we get there, we'll be able to do the same on Mars, Ceres, the skys of Venus, and probably a few other places with the same technology at minimal cost. We'll need resources from all of them to create self contain ecosystems off the Earth.  We need nothing on the Moon to get there, but we do need it to make it worth while.

It comes down to a question of political will. If given a decade of funding into the proper technologies we could embark on an extensive manned surface and subsurface of the Moon. Another decade, and we can establish self-sufficient resource bases and protocolonies capable of supporting their own growth. Yet another decade, and those bases can produce the vessels required to repeat the process on Mars, or Ceres, and set the same process going there. From here, it can snowball into major expeditions to Mercury, and moons of the other solar system, reaching Pluto by the end of the century.

We've just got to push hard enough to not settle for just getting there.

#182 Re: Unmanned probes » Cool places on Mars to land » 2007-12-28 21:59:08

Astronomers Monitor Asteroid to Pass Near Mars: Impact Chances Now 1 in 25

PRESS RELEASE
Date Released: Friday, December 28, 2007
Source: Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Updated Dec. 28, 2007 -- Astronomers have identified asteroid 2007 WD 5 in archival imagery. With these new observations, scientists at NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif have refined their trajectory estimates for the asteroid. Based on this latest analysis, the odds for the asteroid impacting Mars on Jan. 30 are now 1-in-25 -- or about 4 percent.

They were expecting the opposite.

#184 Re: Unmanned probes » Cool places on Mars to land » 2007-12-20 22:18:36

We may have a very fresh target to investigate soon...

Asteroid May Soon Slam into Mars

By Alicia Chang
The Associated Press
posted: 20 December 2007
10:32 pm ET

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Mars could be in for an asteroid hit. A newly discovered hunk of space rock has a 1 in 75 chance of slamming into the Red Planet on Jan. 30, scientists said Thursday.

"These odds are extremely unusual. We frequently work with really long odds when we track ... threatening asteroids," said Steve Chesley, an astronomer with the Near Earth Object Program at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

The asteroid, known as 2007 WD5, was discovered in late November and is similar in size to an object that hit remote central Siberia in 1908, unleashing energy equivalent to a 15-megaton nuclear bomb and wiping out 60 million trees.

Scientists tracking the asteroid, currently halfway between Earth and Mars, initially put the odds of impact at 1 in 350 but increased the chances this week. Scientists expect the odds to diminish again early next month after getting new observations of the asteroid's orbit, Chesley said.

"We know that it's going to fly by Mars and most likely going to miss, but there's a possibility of an impact," he said.

If the asteroid does smash into Mars, it will probably hit near the equator close to where the rover Opportunity has been exploring the Martian plains since 2004. The robot is not in danger because it lies outside the impact zone. Speeding at 8 miles a second, a collision would carve a hole the size of the famed Meteor Crater in Arizona.

In 2004, fragments of the comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 smacked into Jupiter, creating a series of overlapping fireballs in space. Astronomers have yet to witness an asteroid impact with another planet.

"Unlike an Earth impact, we're not afraid, but we're excited," Chesley said.

I somehow doubt that Opportunity would survive, but would have great front row seat. I think it would be boon to program as we rush to get the freshest samples.

#185 Re: Not So Free Chat » Native Lakota Indians will Withdraw from UnitedStates » 2007-12-20 21:52:58

Oh good. So I guess that means they won't be needing those welfare checks and casinos any more, right?

#186 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Toshiba Builds 100x Smaller Micro Nuclear Reactor » 2007-12-20 00:28:31

Toshiba Builds 100x Smaller Micro Nuclear Reactor

Toshiba Builds 100x Smaller Micro Nuclear Reactor

Toshiba has developed a new class of micro size Nuclear Reactors that is designed to power individual apartment buildings or city blocks. The new reactor, which is only 20 feet by 6 feet, could change everything for small remote communities, small businesses or even a group of neighbors who are fed up with the power companies and want more control over their energy needs.

The 200 kilowatt Toshiba designed reactor is engineered to be fail-safe and totally automatic and will not overheat. Unlike traditional nuclear reactors the new micro reactor uses no control rods to initiate the reaction. The new revolutionary technology uses reservoirs of liquid lithium-6, an isotope that is effective at absorbing neutrons. The Lithium-6 reservoirs are connected to a vertical tube that fits into the reactor core. The whole whole process is self sustaining and can last for up to 40 years, producing electricity for only 5 cents per kilowatt hour, about half the cost of grid energy.

Toshiba expects to install the first reactor in Japan in 2008 and to begin marketing the new system in Europe and America in 2009.

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A fantastic piece of technology that really has the potential to change the world. But it would require serious safeguards. I would imagine the price would probably be the biggest.

#187 Re: Human missions » Is the 'VSE' getting dimmer ? » 2007-12-17 23:48:05

U.S. urged to keep space shuttle flying past 2010

Now, if we plan on re certifying the Shuttles now, will it be easier.

#188 Re: Human missions » Is the 'VSE' getting dimmer ? » 2007-12-17 10:13:35

Rep. Dave Weldon to Announce S.P.A.C.E. Act

We'll see what happens. Of course an announcement doesn't mean passage.

#189 Re: Space Policy » Lawmakers Want Shuttle's Life Extended Despite Dangers » 2007-12-17 10:08:37

Rep. Dave Weldon to Announce S.P.A.C.E. Act

We shall see. Anything that separates NASA's budget from the typical multi-departmental abominations is a step in the right direction.

#190 Re: Space Policy » Lawmakers Want Shuttle's Life Extended Despite Dangers » 2007-12-16 17:01:20

It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if it wasn't at the expense of Constellation. If Congress was willing to fund Constellation and the Shuttle/ISS fully in parallel until the Shuttles capabilities are completely replaced, I'd support it. They won't though.

#191 Re: Space Policy » Would You Vote for a candidate you didn't like » 2007-12-16 16:28:11

Yeah, there are bigger issues on which the health of the space program lay.

#192 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potlock I » 2007-12-16 14:31:49

The American Civil War was an attempt by the British to destroy the United States and was an international affair and not just an American Civil War that most people think it is. We had major powers outside the United States who were routing for either the South or the North to win this Civil War. So this American Civil War was not just a private war inside the United States, but had some involvement from overseas power in too.

Larry,

I thought the Brits just wanted cheap cotton.

Incidentally, with their insidious plan foiled, they turned to Egypt, and started a whole bunch of new problems we are currently dealing with.

#193 Re: Human missions » Armstrong Lunar Outpost - status » 2007-12-14 22:34:45

Yeah, but history has shown that the forethought required to do that sort of thing rarely makes it off the ground. We need look no further than the Orion to see how quickly features that would come in very handy in the future are scrapped to save launch weight and/or money.

What "handy" features of Orion have been scrapped?

The methane/LOX SM went early on. Not critical for moon maybe, but they went all the way back to Apollo era hyperglocs.

I understand that its still very early in the development cycle for Altair, and the engineers have to work with what Congress gives them, but if were not careful we'll have to spend a whole lot more money again down the road.

#194 Re: Human missions » Armstrong Lunar Outpost - status » 2007-12-14 10:29:11

Yeah, but history has shown that the forethought required to do that sort of thing rarely makes it off the ground. We need look no further than the Orion to see how quickly features that would come in very handy in the future are scrapped to save launch weight and/or money.

#195 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Ares I (CLV) - status » 2007-12-14 10:18:09

There is no such thing as a non-partisan entity on Capital Hill.

If Congress were to provide an extra billion or so every year for the rest of the decade just for the Ares 1/Orion, the gap would be almost nothing.

#196 Re: Human missions » Armstrong Lunar Outpost - status » 2007-12-14 08:57:57

Everyone who has ever scavenged anything on Earth knows it takes at least two more trips to the hardware store than you planned.

#197 Re: Not So Free Chat » Sudan, the Barbarian Kingdom » 2007-12-12 09:26:01

The greatest threat to the West today is not Islamofascists, or Latin American Neo-Communists, but the attitude that all the things that make us prosperous  and free are some sort of fluke, and not the answer. Is freedom not what every man seeks? I say no, because everyone in power in any dictatorship that has ever existed had freedom at the expense of others.

Are the Sudanese really any different from us? Or have they just not known any different?

#198 Re: Human missions » STS-122 Atlantis » 2007-12-09 14:04:50

Their going to take these sensors off on Ares V right?

There should be an override for this. We know how much fuel there is, faulty sensor be dammed.

#199 Re: Not So Free Chat » I am, therefore I shop. » 2007-12-07 22:37:45

I've never heard of light bubbles. What are they?

I assumed he was referring to leds.

#200 Re: Not So Free Chat » I am, therefore I shop. » 2007-12-06 15:54:43

We can make light bubbles that last 100 years, so why do we keep buying bulbs that only last 6 months?

Because the people who make the light bubbles would be very, very bored after a short time.

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