New Mars Forums

Here are some scenes from it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Aetu6MQJuI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-LPN9PkLK4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri4ZsyF2dDI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwGyjNmeWq0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZRJRig6bKc

I got them from here:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=onebush333

What is taking so long?

Hey Cindy,
nice collection of links. I never new you were from Australia. I might buy it and see if any of my co-workers want borrow it. It might help with their deprogramming. lol. I’ve been extra concerned about the fanaticism of the eco-zealots sense around September because there has been much more political noise about Kyoto in Canada lately. I don’t think the liberals pro-kyoto stance is going to help them in the polls. They didn’t get it done when they were in power and the opposition is offering practical solutions while resisting the economically destructive policy of Kyoto. Well, you are waiting or the documentary you might have some fun reading some inconvenient facts about Al Gore and David Suzuiki.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,257958,00.html
http://no-libs.com/?p=1473
http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Canada/ … 5-sun.html
http://www.canadawebpages.com/pc-forum/ … hichpage=1

----Al GoOre and David Suzuiki, profits for profit.

It sounds interesting but weren’t they already working together. I mean white night was used to drop a few test vehicles.

When I went though high school over a decade ago I went though the usual brainwashing that man was evil and was destroying the earth. However, the danger to me never seemed as serious as the possibility of a nuclear war. Concerned about the future of mankind and a strong belief in the human ability to innovate I believed that we could we could adapt to other worlds. Around the same time I found a book called, “The Case for Mars” that explained in detail exactly how this could be done. Through my study of ways to innovate and adapt to new environments I discovered regressive mentality which was embedded in the environmental movement. This began my contempt for environmentalism. It had nothing to do do with alleged bribes which posters on this board allege were from big oil or any other deluded left wing conspiracy that the eco-zealots put forth as smear in attempts to enforce the party line.

The case for mars was built upon a collection of papers written by Robert Zurbrin. One of the most memorable and contentious papers to Mars advocates was Zubrin’s paper, “The Significance of The Frontieer”. Well, at the time I dismissed his words as American Centric, I did not appreciate the frontier that was still underway in scientific development and urban development within North America. The wild west was not the last frontier. The last frontier was the information revolution which was born with the computer and closing quickly with the advent of Kyoto. Zurbrin’s words are like a haunting eco form the past and I quote:

“ There are greater threats that a humanist society faces in a closed world than the return of oligarchy, and if the frontier remains closed, we are certain to face them in the 21st century. These threats are the spread of various sorts of anti-human ideologies and the development of political institutions that incorporate the notions that spring from them as a basis of operation. At the top of the list of such pathological ideas that tend to spread naturally in a closed society is the Malthus theory, which holds that since the world's resources are more or less fixed, population growth must be restricted or all of us will descend into bottomless misery.
Malthusianism is scientifically bankrupt — all predictions made upon it have been wrong, because human beings are not mere consumers of resources. Rather, we create resources by the development of new technologies that find use for them. The more people, the faster the rate of innovation. This is why (contrary to Malthus) as the world's population has increased, the standard of living has increased, and at an accelerating rate. Nevertheless, in a closed society Malthusianism has the appearance of self-evident truth, and herein lies the danger. It is not enough to argue against Malthusianism in the abstract — such debates are not settled in academic journals. Unless people can see broad vistas of unused resources in front of them, the belief in limited resources tends to follow as a matter of course. And if the idea is accepted that the world's resources are fixed, then each person is ultimately the enemy of every other person, and each race or nation is the enemy of every other race or nation. The inevitable result is tryanny, war and genocide. Only in a universe of unlimited resources can all men be brothers."
http://www.nss.org/settlement/mars/zubrin-frontier.html

Well many space advocates have the desire to explore, and build new worlds to help ensure the future of man, the most unifying quality of space advocates is the belief in human ingenuity. This is a belief that though hard work and invocation we can overcome the challenges of the day to build a better world. This goes contrary to the Malthusian belief of doom and gloom and is supported by a history of invocation and development. Today the cap and trade scenario is exactly the doom scenario Zubrin spoke out about where we stop trying to meat the demands of the day with new technology and ideas. Instead we ration what we have as the population grows and the political structures become more entrenched. Soon the castle walls will be built around the planet and the machine will become rigid fixed and absolute. I now understand why Zubrin was in such a rush to open the new frontier.

The ocean has a process for removing carbon from the atmosphere. It results in the production of carbonates on the ocean floor. I am not sure of the exact details of the process. That said I am not sure it is necessary because I am not sure a degree rise in the temperature in the temperature over a centenary is a bad thing. Historically humans have done better in warmer times.

I think they should flip a coin. 

It will be really cool to see the 50 year time lapse movies of the future.   

I’m not complaining. I am just curious why the first words forum is locked.

Maybe they should base the Calendar on a Martian moon.

On the plus side it seems Britain is starting to develop a healthy debate of what Islam should be. I hope the moderates win out.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/01 … index.html

When we here something that we think is two bad to be true how do we react? Do we dismiss it or do consider the possibility at face value. According to some stories I have seen on youtube a large portion of British Muslims dismiss the horror we have come to know as 9/11 as a US conspiracy. Meanwhile Saudi-Arabia continues to infiltrate British Mosque’s with choice speakers.
Pt 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo
Pt 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuCLC8kjWCI
Pt 3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5t5EqWX92k
Pt 4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMztM0Z7BYE
Pt 5) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4Zv3BUmwqs
Pt 6) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvjvNScmTQA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20wq6gCpgb4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqqwGE3WgAk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTyts_-PH8Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqY9lcvAs4Y

http://www.dustmybroom.com/?p=5452