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I have developed the tether methods with (th) a bit more in another topic.

I will bring those here now.

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I currently am interested in this sort of thing in the Asteroid belt, but in that then delivering materials to our Moon, and to outer solar system worlds.

The Moon perhaps could use wood like substances and plastics delivered to it.

Jupiter and Saturn perhaps could use Fission Nuclear Reactors delivered to them.

I expect that the Asteroid Belt may provide fuel for such nuclear reactors, and also metals and other materials to build the nuclear reactors.

A Nuclear reactor delivered to Titan could have value.

Wood-Like materials and plastics delivered to the Moon and CIS-Lunar Space then.

But then within the Asteroid Belt itself to toss materials about to and from various worlds.

The asteroid belt will provide for various methods of propulsions.

In the pink and blue diagram above, I consider also that the "Disks" of the "Dumbbell" could include habitats for humans.  The synthetic gravity will be variable though.  People might have to migrate inside to get to proper g forces.  The device will spin first in one direction and then the other.

While the Saturn System will not exclude the possibility of solar power in orbit, on Titan Nuclear Fission Reactors in large numbers could start up a new branch of civilization.

Starting with Nuclear Fission then beaming power to Titan from orbital solar and then we may hope developing Fusion power as well.

And for every reactor sent to Titan from the Asteroid Belt, similar mass of organic materials could be delivered to orbits of inner planets such as Mars and Earth.

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I have another device/method, that if it can be practical, would eliminate the electric rockets and nte need thrusters for the spin-up.

It would have three major parts:
1) Dumbbell (Possibly I am)
2) Innie
3) Outie.

This becomes very hard to visualize.  In reality it will have to work in orbit of some mass(s) in space, but to simplify it I will describe it as if in a universe of it's own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumbbell

https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/g415 … dumbbells/
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This would be the foundation of an orbital Spin-Launch method.

But if we spin it in its major axis, the shaft we want to avoid gyroscopic tumbling.

So, my understanding is that if a Disk spins in space, it will not tumble.  My understanding is that a cylinder like an O'Neil Cylinder mus be paired in order to deal with the tumble.

So, the two disks need to be the dominant character and the shaft which is a cylinder needs to be a recessive trait.  No guarantees this is just a best guess.

So, this is to be a substitute foundation for a spin-launch system where it does what a planet such as Earth does.

https://www.spinlaunch.com/
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We would then use the shaft of the "Dumbbell" to be the shaft of the spin-launch device.

Interestingly the two disks could perhaps house human habitats.

The dumbbell can spin in either direction and the Innie/Outie in the other direction.

And so then you can release the Outie and the Innie, but then are left with a dumbbell that is spinning already.

If I could conjure up a new Outie and Inni, and have the tethers for it, then I need a means to attach them while it is still spnning.

So, the "Spin Collar" can be set to zero spin even if the "Dumbbell" retains spin from the last launch.

You may attach a set of Outie and Innie.

Then for this launch you begin applying spin force in the opposite direction of the previous launch, perhaps spinning the "Dumbbell" down to zero spin or full inverse spin.

Then you launch.

Rinse and repeat.

Now when in orbit of the Earth, I believe that in one spin direction the outie goes underhand and the innie goes overhand as thows.
Then in the other direction the innie goes underhand and the outie overhand for the spin.

I may have to review the above, but I think it may be correct.

If it can be done, then indeed for every action there is a reaction, but in this case, we keep the propellant as the Dumbbell and reuse.

I need a serious break.  Goodnight.

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Well, you like to tussle don't you Robert.

What I have is that my news media reported that the Iranian Negotiator themselves said that they had enough 60% Uranium to make 11 bombs.

I agree that there can be nations that try to use the USA to advance their objectives.

But I ill agree that their also has been a story that the USA entered the war to keep Israel from dropping a nuclear bomb on Iran.

That is all I have. True or False?  Take your best guess.

You need to keep in mind that your British and French sources per Canada, may be feeding you tainted information.  It is not as if they have never lied.

There are quite a few suspicions that the "Romanoid" portions of Europe have been trying to put America into a shipwreck sort of a situation.
This would come from the Elites of the old Roman Empire areas.  To some minor extent this resembles the confederacy in the USA.  And indeed they were in volved with mischief with the confederates.

There is a mirror world for them.
Ireland>Scotland
London>Stockholm
Paris>Warsaw
Rome>Moscow
Greece>(Black Sea Area)

The Romanoids have lots of trouble maintaining a union.

Canada is experiencing that now with dictatorial rulership of the west by the Eastern servant of the Romanoids of Europe.

The USA though blood and toil, has managed to establish a system where both Romanoid and Rushionoid populations can mingle and be in Union.

India has seemed to accomplish the same thing.  Adjacent to Africa is like our South and Adjacent to China is like our pacific.  I think it is a miracle that India has achieved this, but so far so good.

Had our confederacy won the war they probably would have fragmented into several nations.  Then the French in Mexico and the British in Canada would have recolonized the USA, as a defeated North would have had to bow down to the Crown.  But although it was more symbolic than real the Russian Fleet discouraged the British and French from openly joining the way, and the Anti-Slavery sentiment also helped the Northern cause.

The Europeans are becoming stupid again, they have hopes of being on the top floor of a global ruling apparatus.  Of course, we may very well withdraw our unifying power from them for this reason.  We may still be able to work with the Baltics and curiously the Italians and Greeks.  I think that the Baltics could be persuaded to work to keep stability between the USA and Russia.

As for the Italians and Greeks, if they do go independent, then there is no need to unify them.  They will be in a circumstance where a larger union is not needed, just cooperation with the USA if they want to.

It is curious.  I think that the Italians and Greeks can be rational.  Ther British less so, and the French are just Bat S*** Crazy.

It is going to be tricky, but if you cannot count on your allies, then you are better off casting them out.

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So, matter that might compose a propulsion device could have stored energy by at least two methods.
1) Flywheel.
2) Chemical.

A "Cannon" as the "outie" could have a large mass of water ice mixed with nano aluminum, I suspect.  Then you might want a core that is even more chemically active to ignite the mass.  (It might work).

The "Cannon" shell itself would be for one time use and you may not care if it splits apart during that event.

A method like that for Cere may be practical but other options might exist.

For instance, just using Alice.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALICE_%28propellant%29

If the body of the rocket was largely made of Hydrocarbon Materials.  You might want a collection of such rockets of various sizes connected, so that various trust events along with gravity events might bring the body of the rocket(s) into the desired location.

There would be other possible methds.

But when bases get set up on the Moon it might prove out that the deeper you dig on the Moon, the more water and Carbon there might be.

So, there is some concept of water inside of the Moon:
https://www.facebook.com/cnn/videos/moo … 579256509/

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So, at this point, I am supposed to enter into a team sports monkey battle and obsessively maintain that the Moon has useful substances like Carbon and Water in the remnants of it's fire fountains.  But of course I do not know that..

So, the proper process instead is to find out.

So, the suspected history of the space program in America is that the religious conservative people of that time really did not want taxpayer money "Wasted" on space exploration.  I was there, I knew how their thinking worked.

But the money flowing from taxes into space hardware could be funneled to preferred locations in the country by politics.

So, it was important to milk the space program while keeping humans Earth bound.  This was done along with the time of Rust Bel/Sun Belt proclamations.  (To some extent the revenge of the confederacy).

We were locked into a prison of OPEC oil.

But I do not hate the people from those locations, they in part created fracking.  Even the confederacy took a dirt nap and became something better.

The above may have some amount of truth.  Anyway, the idea of Mars and not the Moon was crafted to make sure that a space industry was a conduit for money flow to preferred locations by politics, but it would always be desired to make sure that the human race did not leave Earth.  Letting humans leave Earth would be like letting your plantation slaves get out of your reach.

I think that we are in a north era now, it's infancy, so the plantation mentality is on the decline.  I therefore have hopes that the human race will indeed be liberated into space.  It appears that the Moon may be an early event for that.

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That is insulting and arrogant.  It appoints you as the source of correctness.  It is you saying that I am stupid.

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That is not proven, just claimed by you and some others.

The Europeans messed up 1930.  NAZI were cultists and had poor understanding of science.

But I do not hold Northern Europeans eternally guilty.  Peoples are placed into temptation and punishment periodically.

Just because 1930 to about 2010 had a pattern which placed the British as the saviors and Germans a satanic, does not mean that the next period of time will read the same.

Had the Europeans and Americans known what we know now they would very likely not follow the NAZI cult.

My posting however is not to convince you to align with my thinking, rather it is to present you with a different view of realty which you are welcome to reject, and I can accept (Until I change my mind).

The flow of events though time are as tricky as relativity.  Frame of reference matters.

But you are stubborn, and must have a realty where you are the measure of all things, from your frame of reference.

I am not mad at you but it seems that you cannot understand and so I waste my time.

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You have a right to be concerned Robert, and I am not able to tell you how well this will progress, for good or bad.

But I choose to look, and see if I can understand better.

I have a personal theory that I do not need you to accept.  I think that the era we have entered is the compliment of the last one.  In these oscillations, many things that were correct are now incorrect.  This is part of a seeking process in control to keep the flow of things in the main channel where it needs to be.

Two views of the world can be 1) The world is best if averaged. 2) Parts of the world are leading us into a better future.

As a Canadian it will be almost impossible for you to accept that America could be traveling #2, and so giving a promise that others may do similar.  By the way if you don't remember, one of my Grandfathers was Canadian.  So, I probably have a "Taint" on me I have to hide from the American redneck/hillbillies.  I believe that India may have great promise and am looking for it, but it is a curious situation where they are both older than us and younger than us.  But in a similar manner that talent fled west from the spreading degeneracy of the Middle East, it also fled east into India.  Two nations similar in that way perhaps, but so much different in other ways.  But curiously having some history of representative government.

But if you believe in #1, then the moral thing is to average the world.  If someone has success, then they must have stolen it.  In such a view, then Europe and perhaps Canada, and others have been tempted to sell out the USA to degenerate entities.

In that view Europe is simply a jealous entity that wants its power back and hates that stupid people like Americans can do so well.

And I am afraid that then that makes Carneys Canada, a Roman/European outpost in a formerly and still partly Eurasian continent.

Now don't get me wrong.  I do have a bit of a Pictish instinct harass Romans, but in the end it has to be admitted that the Romans have had a lot to offer.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picts

I believe that that is some part of what makes America work, that we have literally blended the two, and even have woven other fabrics into that.

If we allow Europe to rule the world again, exclusively we know that they are totally capable of doing stupid.  Look how juvenile the French President has been acting like the world stage is a socker game and that America is on a rival team.

And what is this "Team Canada" thing?

In any case my theory is either right or wrong.  If right then we are on an upwelling event that is occurring in North America that is needed to change the world, and to keep it from repeating past errors.  If I am wrong, we are probably dammed.

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I had that e-mail for a very long time, and it got filled up.  I stopped using it as I had for some reason a cleaner one.  I suspect that the provider thought the e-mail was abandoned and so disabled it.

On pressure from you I revived the e-Mail.  it seems to be working well, but the previous history is gone.

I will think about it as I have said, I have another E-mail address, and I may try that at some point.

My more paranoid parts, suggest to me that the UK has told citizens not to play in this place.  Good chances I am wrong, but I did notice the absence of some members before the web site went down.  It is said that the UK and Europe are behaving strangely as per free speech.

Unlikely but not impossible, I think.

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I am sorry but the message did not go through.  I will try from a different e-mail address at a later date.

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I think that possibly you just want a reaction and maybe I should be insulting?

Kung-Fu is cool and I suppose humanoid robots with swords could slice and dice people on a battlefield.

But isn't that as to bring knifes to a gun fight?  Granted, if humans run out of bullets, then swords carry the day.  But if robots with guns face robots with swords, what then?

China and Western robotic technologies are intertwined.  It will be a matter of not much time and everyone will have all the secrets for them.

So, in any case there will be robots.  This then means that an expanding work force will occur or robots will cut people up.  I don't think that America will wait around to get cut up by other peoples robots.

We would more rely on Sea, Air, and Space robots to keep your cutlery robots away from the people.  But if we needed robots with swords, we would copy them and perhaps improve them.

Here is an example: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/th … r-AA20i95W  Quote:

We are capable of mimic and improve just as much as other peoples are.

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Now, it seems that robots not only could be violent, but verbal: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE  Quote:

This may be very important in many ways. 

For one thing it may solve our problem with the vinegar people.  My theory of the Verbal and Violent Vinegar People is that a civilization emerges from the wild and with that original nature crafted from the teachings of nature, the civilization may become like a wine, perhaps a fine wine.  But then it turns to Vinegar, as the Verbal and Violent specialize to seize all means of wealth including the ability for birth.  Bad men who are specialized in the Verbal and Violent, kill out all the other talents, and bad women of that breed assist them to it.  Hence the Middle East.

These robots will be competition for the Vinegar People as they will be more capable of the verbal and perhaps also more capable of the violence than the evil Vinegar Breed are.  But they will not replicate by murdering other men of other talents, steeling the property of the murdered men, and even their women.

This will change things.  I am not totally sure how.

But Evil Verbal and Violent Priests may be at risk.

It may have another more useful effect, where should a person of a language skill go to a location where that language is not in use such robots can make a non-functional actor more functional by providing interpretations.  An example of this being useful would be that in North America or Europe, probably all languages will be functional most of the time in all places.

Finally, the robots of other skills can do quite a lot for America, as we need the labor force.  Also, it can do well for China, but because of a lack of a Market, in the short term, both American and Chinese robot will make things for Americans, the way economies currently function.

But of course, robots will be so disruptive that it is very risky to have strong assurances of outcomes.

Robots will also be very assistive in raising children, I am sure.  And of course various countries will also be interested in artificial wombs too, won't they.

Strange things coming. 

China should more think to partner with us.  We are not that much in coopetition with them as some think. 

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I am so far in agreement with much of what is said in this video: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ORM=VRDGAR

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The reason I am posting this is not to have unfriendly relations with any other members, but because I believe it is an important action to know about no mattery where your loyalties might be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=739gFSF9Khw
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This is actually a classic pattern that I think I recognize.

A "Faker/Taker" class trying to loot a "Representative/Maker class.

So, a undemocratic aligns with Carbon burning undemocratic entities in some ways such as Russia and emerging economies.

And entities such as (Part) of the USA, align with the attempts to promote representative/productive culture.

I do more or less side with the representative/productive culture action.  And I feel that it is more important to produce both Carbon and non-Carbon energy sources.

It may be seen historically that the globalists seem to both oppose Carbon and Nuclear energy for nations with representative governments.

The do support wind and solar with are scientifically/industrially underdeveloped.  In fact, I am very enthusiastic about them.

I so support the further development of wind and solar, but it is becoming apparent that the globalist effort to suffocate nations like the USA was to make the world more lootable for an unelected ruling class for globalism.

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Thanks Robert.  Perhaps this will also interest you: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ORM=VAMGZC

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I feel it to be best to not add my own speculations at this time about these things.

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