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Tmcom wrote:Ok,
An advanced race on Mars is highly likely. As is water and alligators, lol.
You saw that huh....wait to you see the images of lions and tigers and bears.....
Spotted a Gorilla statue years ago, holding up a sign, (video first post) so obviously some lifeforms went on the same track we did, or they or some other advanced race, did a bit of a space/noahs ark and grabbed some of ours, or maybe we grabbed some of theirs?
Ok, took another look at the panorama in post #307, since l spotted a statue of a humanoid type person holding a sign, (near the road, image) but this one is a lot more obvious.
First l spotted this tunnel type thing on stilts, and further along, as well as likely towns, etc, (you can check that out yourself, light coffee colored).
Then l spotted this cool structure.
A giant silver structure resembling an alligators mouth, (the teeth are pretty obvious).
Possibly a lookout tower, but no way that this is natural.
This is highly reflective and is reflecting back the landscape, and possibly the rover, although it is probably too far away, and the landscape is around this object so it is not the rovers reflection, fooling us.
This is a legitimate artificial structure that shouldn't be there, or if this is half a billion years old would not be standing.
An advanced race on Mars is highly likely. As is water and alligators, lol.
They seem to have been trying to break the life signs to the joe public slowly for possible religious reasons but thats for another location of discusion such as free chat.
Pictures can be faked but the large scale images that rovers have generated would be even greater than the whole of nasa could pull off for that reason alone they are real.
Could life have gotten to the fish level possibly as the images suggest but we would need to see more of such to confirm and not keep being deniers. We need to use a questioning mind to seek out the answers by what we can measure, test and observe when it comes to mars.
The methane question seems to have been narrowed down a bit but more needs to be done to answer the question.
True, NASA is realeasing this in a downplay as much as possible kind of way as not to spook the general population, but from what l have witnessed elsewhere, some who claim to be ok with it, are not.
I expect that the ones that keep saying, "if NASA found a plant l won't go on a bender" are the ones that say one thing and act in another.
But anyway it is up to them if they want to bury their heads, NASA is going to disclose more and more of this, (supporting what l and others have found) so in the end they will have to face up to it, especially when this is all leading to full disclosure.
Yep, l believe that they are real, since NASA had a direct feed video camera on top of the Curiosity rover on decent, (l took screenshots of the decent in the other room at JPL, before NASA stripped it off all of their videos, (showing a blue sky l might add, not the b/w rubbish we got as first images).
So the rover is actually there, but the images are Photoshopped at JPL, before we get them, so a martian bridge isn't blatantly obvious but is still obvious.
Agreed we need to be open minded, and l remember finding a clam and a spider that the rover squished, (video, first post) so no doubt fish are there.
But on the subject of plants....
Spotted this that looks like a maze, and color checked one, which is either a tree or hedge type plant. The rest also have similar colors.
The oval shaped thing on the right appears to be another sign or building.
And this curious rock, with green landscape, blue sky, clouds and what looks like some buildings and a tall smoke stack.
Some of the objects on the left, (arrow) are l believe, (color tool shows greens) tree's, which seem to resemble the type of tree's we have in desert areas.
The rover has no architecture resembling this, so likely to be tree's of some kind.
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http://fortune.com/2018/06/07/nasa-foun … ouncement/
NASA's big press announcement, now gives Mars a 50/50 chance of having microbes underground.
Which is rather nice, since the idiots l have had to endure elsewhere, are now running about gibbering on about conspiracy's in general.
One person in particular who has said that he wouldn't have an issue with learning that Mars is Earthlike, and is currently running about garbeging conspiracy's in general, (well, borderline insane is closer to the truth).
I hate to say it, but some may actually go insane when NASA discloses the lot.
Time will tell, and yeah, it also means that plant life on Mars is more 50% more likely, or as we know it is a fact.
https://www.wired.com/2006/06/ufo-hacke … -he-found/
Considering the gag order on Buzz'es UFO encounter in the Apollo missions, l would say pretty good.
Very few are going to say anything out of fear of losing their jobs or worse.
As for how far, Mars being Earthlike is a certainly, having an advanced race and civilization on its surface, highly likely.
But that is Mars.
Tmcom,
Different cameras "see" different parts of the spectrum, NASA uses a lot of false color, and different materials reflect light in different ways. Green olivine basalt was collected from the lunar surface. The moon looks pretty "grey" to me, but that doesn't mean better or different cameras will capture reflections in the same ways. If NASA is hiding things, then they're not doing a very good job. NASA has stated that the Martian sky would look blue if not for the dust. I'm guessing that the upper atmosphere has very little dust and that would make it appear blue. There are surface features on Mars that reflect in a variety of colors, red (Iron oxide) / blue (variety of things) / green (typically olivine, but could be organics as well) / yellow (Sulfur) / brown (shales) / black (meteorites, basalts, and other volcanic materials).
It would be really cool if you're right, but I don't think we're going to find a lush tropical rainforest on Mars.
NASA said that the sky would look blue, geesh, ok, let's break this down.
All amateur astronomers looking at Mars, always see a blue haze and some green.
Hubbles latest high res, images show No atmosphere around Mars.
Hubble images from the 90's, show an obvious blue atmosphere and green patches, (and tracked mars weather for several years, with blue atmosphere every time).
And the high res, Earth based telescope shown before, clearly shows green and the blue atmosphere.
So it means Mars has a blue atmosphere, or overwhelming evidence, which means whether we like it or not NASA are lying.
And as for plant life, the green stuff l keep finding is not iron oxide on the rocks, that is a distinctive yellow color, and since it is not that it has to be plant life.
And the mounting evidence that the air pressure is BS. Impossible to have a water rich atmosphere and water droplets on metal in a near vacuum.
Red in the higher atmosphere, nope, Hubble never see's any red higher up, and Spirit and Opp, rovers, with 20 years of images or 10 years each, driving up and down hills have Never given us one blue sky image.
Curiosity did, after a short while.
I am sorry but you really need to go over the links l provided before then reason it all out, that will show you what is real and what isn't.
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It is important to understand that NASA is a government agency ostensibly under the control of the US intelligence.
Bottom line is that NASA lies and has always lied, IMO.
The strength of your conviction is that "if" NASA is hiding things, they are not doing a very good job". On the contrary, they are, and have been doing an excellent job of covering up realities. In fact a superb job in as much of "not being water tight". If they did, it would be suspicious. These are only measured "drops of reality" and is a very effective method.
One needs to try and place oneself in the position of "Joe Dumb" an not an "intelligent person on a Mars forum".
This is the massive segment of US society which has no clue, except for the patriotic following (most all) who would NEVER dream of actually questioning the almighty NASA. It just simply would not even cross their mind.
IMO, if the World's government's (the important one's) came together under the auspice of a select few (in the US mainly) and wanted to show an entirely different Mars to the world public, trust me they could. The trick in its success, is repeatability of the cover story.
Americans in particular, are extremely gullible. Not that they are more gullible than other nationalities but Americans are fed a continuous diet of "the American way" and as a result, are NOT interested in any other "ways" that could interfere with the payment of their 30 year mortgage. Cognitive Dissonance 101.
The "Red Planet"....just as were the "Red Indians".
Thanks,
Mal
Yes Joe dumb and annoying so, hard evidence goes in one ear and out the other, and an obvious slipup by NASA, is reasoned away with some lame story.
Dust devils clean Spirits solar panels, eventhough it should be so gutless it shouldn't clean anything, and NASA comes up with some crap about the dust devils on Mars have some electrostatic properties and that is what gives,...groan, others may buy this crap, but l won't.
NASA knows the truth about Mars, and has done so since Viking, but since Mars is inhabited with an advanced culture they bury it, and since that statement is beyond most peoples comprehension or too fantastic to believe their see spot run cover story's don't need much polish.
A 12 year old kid, with a $100 dollar telescope, can see exactly what the truth is, and that NASA are liars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont … JQpcqzxopA
It seems that amateur astronomers get it right more than NASA and their stuff.
Or they are color blind?
Also took a closer look at the only real high res, mars image we have, the NASA one shows no color from Hubble, which is pretty funny.
This shows dark and light blue, so obviously these lake systems are very deep.
And the site mentioned in the video...
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mart … rte_56.htm
But so called red dust makes the blue color doesn't explain NASA dumb no blue around the edges images, or the green stuff.
NASA is already trying to wriggle their way out of the methane one, with some high altitude red dust nonsense, eventhough plant life or volcanism are the two most likely ones, (no volcanic activity has been seen, but the green stuff has).
Green usually means plantlife?
But l guess that looking at NASA images and newbie earth/mars ones, and Hubble, means that the atmosphere changes color constantly?
Hopefully l am not the only one here that finds that insane.
I don't buy it and he doesn't explain all of the green stuff, and the huge volumes of methane?
Probably paid by NASA?
http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/%28Gh%29/g … /blue.rxml
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ … s-leg.html
Water drops Cannot form on a planet with supposedly 30,000 feet air pressure, unless the rover sprayed salt about?
And this...
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/20 … vered.html
Mars atmosphere is saturated with water vapor, that cannot exist on the surface unless it is very salty.
http://rense.com/general68/nasaisnt.htm
Which also strongly supports rain.
here is a high light.
THE 1% ATMOSPHERE First, we know ICE and weather exist on the planet. If the atmosphere is actually 1% that of earth, any ice would have boiled away or just evaporated. Water BOILS AWAY at room temperature well before reaching .01 atmosphere (1 %.) For all practical purposes, .01 atmospheres is a VACUUM to water's boiling point and to air-breathing life-forms. Here is a direct quote from a paper [3] written about the atmospheric pressure as measured by the Viking Landers: "The day to day atmospheric pressure variability, low in summer and higher in fall and winter, (especially at the northern site), is due to weather "fronts" quite similar to those on Earth Along with the annual cycle, meteorological fronts are indicated by the increasing variability of the pressure between fall and spring at these northern hemisphere sites as previously mentioned. The Lander 2, VL2, site is similar in latitude to Seattle, Paris or Vienna, while the southern, VL1 site, like Pathfinder, is similar in latitude to Hong Kong, Havana or Calcutta. Like on Earth, the frontal activity is less in the tropics and sub-tropics, e.g., the VL1 site. Typically, the fronts pass every few sols (mars days) on Mars, often resembling those of Earth except for the lack of rain, while at other times, they are far more regular." Note the author's statement above, that planet has weather fronts like that of earth, except it doesn't rain. But a 1% atmosphere which is essentially a vacuum - having weather? How can the planet have weather without an atmosphere?
Thankyou.
This is a great example of the sort of nonsense we are getting from NASA.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/20 … red-planet
Mars obviously has a blue haze or atmosphere, but NASA keeps crapping on about it not having one or it is thin???
And all images apart from the animation, is no atmosphere BS images from afar and on the ground.
Maybe we should fire all of these NASA idiots and put some 12 year old's in charge, at least they are rational, and not nutters with serious mental health issues.
The sun is still setting.
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Yellow sun, green landscape and blue sky, oh sorry blue, pink sky.
And no, blue landscape or sun to be found.
If Mars has a conventional sunrise, then it has a conventional sunset!
I still find it, pretty funny that adults can still believe, (believe what NASA coughs up) that Mars has an all blue sunset and not sunrise, and still buy this "we have trouble getting the red spectrum right on Mars" crap.
Russia had no probs, on Venus, with melting lead and crushing a tin can pressures.
And no other probe, (including Titan) that has visited Any of our planets or flown by them has Ever had a color issue. Only Mars jinkses the color cameras.
But only Mars is Earth like, or in the habitable zone, in our solar system
But according to NASA huggers, when a 12 year old points his amateur telescope at Mars, and see's a blue atmosphere and green tinge, he is delusional and it has virtually no atmosphere and the green,....
well, the planet is obviously overun with Kermit the frog's l am sure that the NASA huggers will accept that with open arms?
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Ok, watched this great video. Good to know that l am not the only one that is p***ed at NASA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoHUa5Dv5to
The interesting thing about this is the amateur images of Mars, and the so called high res, images of Mars from Hubble which are unfortunately the dead world BS, Photoshop got a workout ones.
Also found this image of mars, (that is a nightmare to find)...
The Great Lakes up the top, with the unmarketable dark blue color are clearly seen, as is the likely lake lower down.
The dark areas in the middle of vast green patches, was to my surprize not water but very strong green, (most likely a dense rainforest).
If Mars has vegetation, and rain then it is sure to have water tables, not huge areas of ocean like we have but vast lake systems, which may be fresh water considering the vegetation surrounding them.
ok, more licken.
NASA has blurred most of this stuff growing on the rocks, but left the top/right one.
The top image shows one, but natch, blurred again, and this entire area, shows patches of grass green to lime.
This one, phew, it looks like a door, but l cannot be sure.
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http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/203372
Another panarama.
Ok, l spotted a river and road, and more tree,s and probably one of the best looks at the real Mars landscape in this rock.
Blue sky, large clouds, (that could easily turn into rain clouds) mountain in the background, and a yellow tinge on the clouds as the sun is setting, so l think that we can forget about the all blue nonsense at sunset NASA keeps giving us, overwhelming evidence against that...
This is about the best l could find on Google Mars.
These show green to lime green, or shrubs or tree's.
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This seems to show artwork, or a depiction of a native martian animal, (the dark area around this is a bit too perfect for it to be natural).
White bear or Yetti, your guess is as good as mine?
Perhaps a little off topic but here'e a copy of Dr Greer's most recent response to Nolan et al I thought an interesting read. I'm keeping a eye on his pressure from this point.
Yep, thanks l am on his mailing list, and have kept up with his latest developments.
Well this is truly fascinating stuff alright.... in many ways consistent with recent findings of a "cosmic origin" shoved into the bag tagged "miniature". Do we have history at our fingertips?
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x … z8H4M0.png
I laugh because I think these color Curiosity shots are possibly "full" of these little fellas! So now we know what to look for.... time to get the Visine out.
The image below tagged: "Fower"
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/9twI2l.png
Here's the recent find along this rocky bank. Btw, does anyone have the NASA raw image file URL for this sol?
Just got this off the net today from Gigapan http://gigapan.com/galleries/13375/gigapans so tampering seems very low.
Three magnifications below going in.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x … r5YdVL.png
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x … 8KBc9b.png
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x … NWAeCU.png
Take a closer look at this image below again. Notice that the .jpeg compression has cut the little guy almost in half so his/her "legs: are somewhat "disconnected below".
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x … CONEBy.png
This confirms for me, my suspicions I had when that so called "jelly doughnut" rock appeared then disappeared. I think we can expect many more of these mischievous tricksters to turn up in the very near future.
Here's the image of the glowing Dough "Nut" on the left....
Pretty sure that those are Curiosity's reflection, well reasonably sure, but the first is Curiosity's camera turrent being reflected back, (grays have slanted or teardrop eyes).
And the alien according to Stephen Greer, all attempts to discearn the DNA of the object, have been botched, so as usual we have no hard evidence, it can be dismissed as an aborted fetus, and the masses can go back to sleep.
Sure they could be on Mars, but all of the aliens sniffing about the rover, l have found are white, some with striped necks, and all with black teardrop eyes.
I have certainly learned from posting the UFO, Apollo proof, elsewhere that stupid has no limits, as does stupid people attacking, and stupid/scared forget it, that is getting into bullet in the head territory.
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Another v. interesting anomaly (1:43)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWt-gyYH5Fw
Harlequin...alien...or quite possibly lichen/mould?
[Looks similar to the "flower" shown in post #296 above]
I agree that he probably has something with the water,but the rest,....reflective rocks and flukes, most likely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt-BiiQjygw
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evid … sity-6.htm
Obviously colorized from b/w, but the huge areas of green, have to be something more than licken.
Another guy, not surprisingly found lakes near some of this, even b/w images clearly show that.
I also tried Google Earth/Mars, and found this...
I had to color correct it again to get the true colors.
I don't think that this is a lake, but it has plenty of plant life. And interesting to note that from orbital images of the entire planet it is usually green/gray, but in closer ones it is more pure green, (the circle in the color picker image shows the actual color).
Plant life on Mars, should open a few doors.
M-Albion-3D
The image above with that ominous peak (Mt.Sharpe?) in the background is too red obviously.
There's quite a few really good imaging programs out there, I personally prefer Irfanview for its "Auto Color Correction" algorithm and seems right on the money on my monitor.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x … YnUA6A.jpg
The higher magnifications on the bottom left corner reveals clearly some very facinating shades of green and even grey. FMP, those rocks have something green embedded on the surface. Green is what?
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x … TVFtaW.png
This image anomaly has me rubbing my eyes...
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x … ylbHFa.jpg
Such incredible rock art!
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x … Vb1uAA.png
Yes, nice, and probably a combination of moss and lichen.
And a good software option other than Photoshop, for at least showing true colors.
The rubbing your eye one, is l believe a reflective rock, (Curiosity in the foreground and the mountains in the background).
The white thing l saw before clinging onto a rock is a believe a plant, or relying on the opening, is a Venus Flytrap type plant, that catches insects and possibly even spiders, (Curiosity ran over one, video post #1) and maybe even rodents, (spotted plenty of those) by using some sweet liquid, etc to entice their pray into their mouth to get stuck.
Obviously some speculation on my part, but it isn't a machine and is clinging onto the rock like a plant, with possibly some substance coming out of it, so l am probably in the ballpark.
Biologists are going to have kittens when NASA announces all of this.
The last image you posted gives me a laugh since someone recently tried to pick a fight with me by posting that same image elsewhere. He posted the false or red one, and jockingly said, "see mars has life".
All l could do is laugh, he, (and others) have no idea what is really on Mars, glad we do.
Thanks SpaceNut.
Shows the similarities with Mars atmosphere and Earths.
And this, that is another panorama...
http://planetary-science.org/nasas-curi … ive-dunes/
Lower images show all of the dwellings, typically buried in the mountains. What appears to be a humaniod fugire with a top hat, singing l think, (couldn't make out the lettering around it, but l wouldn't be surprised if it read, "Eat at Joes".
Top image is this white thing on the rock, beats me what this is, creature, machine?
But the thing on the right is a machine.
Maybe this is Curiosity's reflection, but it seems more likely that a silver sphere is sitting on this table, and is depicting something, or just reflecting something back.
Either way nothing l have seen so far shows an evil race.
More likely we are the ones that need to shape up, or NASA does.
I also found this...
The colors for this area, are Dark green in the middle and moving away as less and less, till nothing.
Must be a giant crater with access to a natural underground spring, yep the dark green area, is virtually the same size as Australia's entire forested areas.
I bet the European Beagle probe accidentally landed in one of these areas, can't have images of a forest or rainforest on a dead planet.
Other green areas follow this pattern of rich forest in the middle and drying out the further away you go, as SpaceNut has said, it is probably the lowest or giant cratered areas that are the greenest.
You've basically got the Great Desert of Australia and a bit of the Sahara not under cloud cover in your "representative" pic for Earth. It's called cherry picking. Not very impressive if you have any attachment to the truth.
Yes, it is called cherry picking, but l picked the best representative image in relation to Mars, to show the similarities.
Ok, to be fair here is another, which is about the greenest Earth pic l could find, (and remember that this is true color, not the all landmass are green ones).
This shows the similarities with plant life.
True that Mars is drier at the equator, but similar to Earth for the rest, (and l picked the greenest parts).
Mars actually has a stronger green than Earth at least for one part, but Earth has more overall.
Now if this was a photo of mars that was high def then we could see what I think will be the low areas of mars for where it is the greenest but also why only green as we have Red Maples, oaks and other shrubs here on earth that might also be on mars in terms of color obsorbers.
Possible, others have reported satellite images of rivers and forests on Mars.
Trees on Earth don't like too much solar radiation. That's why silver birches are silver (because they were among the first trees to advance north after the ice age, and needed a reflective coating as they were exposed out on the plains). Given the lack of protection against all other forms of radiation on Mars, I think it very unlikely anything like a tree could prosper on Mars. But lichen, fungi, creatures able to creep under rocks etc - well why not? All they have to do is to adapt to a v. low pressure atmosphere...but they would have had tens of millions of years to adapt to that. Even more, creatures that live in water would have had no problem continuing to survive on Mars in some form or other.
Yep, this is the highest res, we have of Earth.
And Mars.
Remarkably similar greens, and atmospheric thickness, although Earth has oceans, and Mars only has some great lakes/oceans up top.
But Mars Does have a magnetic field (not uniform like ours, but it does have one).
And No, Louis, unlikely that anything could survive in an environment that boils water on its surface.
Pretty obvious that Mars has vast amounts of vegetation and an atmosphere similar to ours, so it must have rain, and it must have a breathable atmosphere, etc.
As they showed, (hopefully realistically) in Total Recall, pump enough CO2 into Mars atmosphere and the air pressure comes down.
Since Mars was similar to Earth half a million years ago, (l know NASA says billion) no reason why some of it survived some global disaster and flourished, (Earth has had a few as well).
PS the barely visible green patch on Australia, (where l live) on the right/upper is showing vast rainforests near the ocean, and the great barrier reef, and Mars is showing more green, food for thought.
I thought that l should do a color chart for Mars, showing plant distribution across the planet, after all if it is oxidation of iron rocks then the color will be exactly the same, especially if Mars is dead, etc.
Nope.
Shows the equator, (more or less where Curiosity is) to be the driest part, and as we get to the polar regions, it also drops off.
But the areas inbetween clearly show different shades of green, or plant life.
This image was taken by Hubble.
And l took multiple trys with the color picker to find the greenest areas l could find. Curiosity reported to have found traces of methane in the atmosphere surrounding it, but failed to find the source, or more to the truth avoided it.
Another scientist also found that Mars was producing methane by using the Earopean satellite, and he ran the test several times with the same result.
NASA keep fiddling with visual evidence, but the evidence is piling up that Mars is Earthlike, and our solar system has two habitable worlds.
Ok, nothing that sensational today after googling the locals taking a dip, but still...
NASA did blur some of this, but the white flowers are still visible,
And this, most likely a rusted, steel spear, (Mars still has some relics from the past).
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