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you can't control the motion if you are of similar mass and have nothing to hold onto... [...] if only one vehicle thrusts, then the other vehicle will still be pointing the original direction, so there is going to be a big tug at an angle instead of directly again the cable [...]
That sideways tug you refer to is angular acceleration. It will be there no matter how many sets of thrusters you use.
Yes, the tether will form a catenary under acceleration, creating potential energy in the tether that will recoil or "whip" as pendular oscillations in the spinning tether after the engines shut down. However, I don't think that's as dangerous as you imply. We wouldn't need vast amounts of thrust relative to the mass of the system, which wouldn't create much of a restoring force to recoil with. (An ant can push a tricycle in space, but it can't always crack a bullwhip.)
A spinning system can be controlled with only one set of thrusters. Because of the low levels of thrust required, microgravity might be a better place to conduct the experiment than full gravity.
Unfortunately, in spite of any minor details of the rocketry, your point about the potential returns is correct. Even if the additional cost were only < $10 milllion, much less > $50 million, I don't see how the few days that would buy us would yield any useful data. The test would have to be full scale. That means no combination of Soyuz or Progress modules is adequate.
Darn!
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Cindy is usually immune to giggle factor.
She also really has something here.
Marsian air compresses to a solid at pressures where Earth air is still just pressurized gas. The same tank that can only hold 50 kilos of compressed Earth air can hold half a ton of CO2 at the same pressure.
In short, compressed gas cars could have ten times the range on Mars that they do on Earth. Perhaps more due to lower gravity and air pressure.
Methane powered rovers have more range, but also require their own weight in infrastructure to make that fuel on Mars. Maybe compressed gas is the way to go with the first missions.
Antimatter does not occur naturally...
Neither does free hydrogen gas on Mars, but you can run an engine on the stuff.
Chemical propellants really are the best fuel for a mobile vehicle, but they have to be made from something unless you just find them lying around. That takes power - more than can be released from the stored chemical fuel. So, unless someone strikes oil on Mars, all those chemical fuels the settlers need are going to have to be made using another power source.
Nuclear seems as likely a source as any. For example, the Mars Direct mission profile proposed a rover powered by fuel that was made using a nuclear reactor (essentially stored energy from the reactor).
I think we'll be seeing a lot of "nuclear powered" vehicles on Mars. The reactors will just be on either end of the trip instead of on the vehicles.
Undo our great designs, politics will. Back to Mars we must go.
Dude, could you talk, like... forward?
GCNRevenger, you keep bringing up the point that not only do both modules used in Bill's proposed experiment have to be modified, but they both have to be functional. I don't believe that's necessarily true.
What about a dead module on one end of the string, and only one module having a live RCS?
If practical, it would eliminate the need for both modules to talk to each other because only one would control the maneuvers. It could also eliminate the need for modifying the dead module. Since it might as well be a ton of bricks, it can be suspended in a sling brought up by the single modified module.
Also, there is no need for the two modules to be of equal mass. The center of mass of the bound modules just has to fall far enough away from the test module, and only the test module has to have its center of mass aligned with the tether. As long as the dead module doesn't flop back and forth chaotically at the end of the tether, it can lay how it falls. This arrangement would have pendular motion anyway, even with two live, perfectly balanced modules. What's a little more as long as it stays within limits?
"Dead" may be too strong a word, of course. You'd want both modules to have their own RCS in the event of a tether failure. However, they would already have that if we just re-used Progress and Soyuz modules. Only one needs the sling, ordinance (to cut loose), crew and/or test package, etc. The other one can be the ISS's usual garbage scow.
What about indigenous religions? Will the Church of Mars get a blank check for conversion by the sword just because their name's not on the contract?
Even if they don't, I'm not fond of this idea. Keeping my religion out of politics sounds very un-Episcopalian to me. :;):
Maybe we can work with Sadr. Wasn’t George Washington a guerrilla leader.
That's not a bad idea. Is there anything Sadr wants/and or needs that we can provide?
Last time we did that, Sadr's men raided the police stations and looted the body armor.
He seems OK for light weaponry... :;):
Seriously, though, if you were a cleric in charge of Iran and wanted to stay that way, what would you do in the face of the United States' current posturing?
Are the iraqi police supplied with anything now?
Go Ray! An excellent example of amateur science in action.
Regarding hydroponics as being better than soil grown crops:
If all the nutrients you need for your crop are expected to be in the soil at Mars, it makes no sense to waste your effort extracting them when the plants can do all of that for you. Hydropics has many qualities superior to soil gardening, but superior nutrient supply is not among them.
Forget nutrients; bring humous. Mix some organic matter into the soil and let the plants do the rest.
In the area where I live, just the mention of school uniforms sends a lot of folks into a spittle-flecked rage.
Down here, where Catholic perochial schools are generally looked to as the holy grail of public education, we've had school uniforms for years. Our Lady Queen of Money catholic school had them, so naturally the rest of the parish had to have them too. :;):
I do agree with the idea, though. Simplifying one's wardrobe saves money on clothing.
Now all we have to do is persuade the local Baptist population to number their children, too...
*Who said anything about the U.S. national anthem?
No one.
I did.
(I'd say it again, but it's digitally recorded. :;): )
The US National Anthem started out a prime example of mixing music and politics for purposes of protest. Sung to the tune of an old drinking song, it was expressly meant to irritate the British.
And you drop Elton John's name alongside the national anthem?
Why not? It's the sort of thing he was talking about.
As for it not being pop music, I think you're drawing the distinction in terms of era and genre rather than popularity. "The Star Spangled Banner" was popular long before it was national.
"The Star Spangled Banner" didn't become the national anthem just because of that, though. I'm not sure that "American Idiot" has national anthem potential, for example. Doesn't play up anybody's pride, not enough for people to rally around, etc.
"Peace Train" is a pleasant little ditty, though. I expect to hear more of it...
What are the requirements for a war to be considered another Vietnam in terms of:
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Hippies.
Sorry, I come from a country with a long tradition of singing songs to tick people off. Am I supposed to give all of that up just on Alice Cooper's say-so? Stop singing the US national anthem just to make Sir Elton John feel better?
I don't think so.
Personally, I was impressed by how well the "terrorist watch list" functioned in this "crisis".
Good ol' Mr. Y. Islam was sitting on the ground in the States before anybody realized he'd bought a ticket. I was so reassured, I just wanted to run out and buy a copy of "Peace Train" on the spot.
Is that related to those new over the counter "flash freeze" wart removers?
Could Mars have clay?
Sheep and other herbivores are carbon dioxide neutral. The only carbon in their bodies is what was previously taken up by plants they ate. Thus, in order to sustain herbivores, that same carbon dioxide "emitted" by the sheep must be re-taken up by plants later to keep feeding sheep, not remaining in the atmosphere. If not, sheep would be starved out long before their flatulence became a problem.
If the methane they release is similarly metabolized by plants and the bacteria that sustain them, sheep may be methane neutral as well. This whole issue could be one big fart.
If unification of Islam into some kind of superstate is the goal of the Al Qaeda terrorists, perhaps the invasion of Iraq wasn't such a bad thing after all, provided we can induce the country to shatter apart along tribal lines.
Of course, it would make our own ostensible goal of supporting another democracy, thereby increasing the number of our alliances and giving us (rather than some bunch of Wahabi extremists) another foothold in the region, rather hopeless.
But, hey, it would set back the (currently non-existent) superstate, right? ???
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Really popular protest songs.
Which reminds me, I recently felt the need to go out, find a copy of "Peace Train" by Cat Stevens and play it - loud and often.
Vaccination against methane producing colon bacteria? Bad idea! They may need those bacteria!
I once took enough of an antibiotic overdose for it to have a similar effect on me. I'd always known, intellectually, that diarrhea could kill me, but I never felt it in my heart until that following week.
I feel for those poor cows. Truly.
Now, it takes 50 years to send a message, and another 50 years for the ET to send a response (speed of light limit), what would be the one question you would ask (since it would be the only one you get to ask within your lifetime)
Why, the same question I ask everyone that I get e-mail from but am unlikely to hear back from for 50 years:
"What's the address for your web page?" :;):
I like that part about sending divorce lawyers to the unemployment line!
An institution is not automatically outdated just because 1% of its membership deviates from the norm. (No, nor even 10%.) However, if its membership plummets and suddenly develops a 50% turnover, then it's time for a change. IMHO, the increased divorce rate is a much more pressing reason to change the institution of marriage than the threat of legally recognizing homosexual relationships.
The decline and watering down of the institution of marriage does seem to be a real threat to our social structure. But recognizing homosexuals will be a flash in the pan compared to the no-fault divorce.
Gillett's book must have references. What texts did he use?
If you find Gillett's book cursory and confused, you may have needs beyond what popular works can fulfill. You may need to look for a suitable textbook.
Amazon recommends a few. Any that strike your interest can be ordered using interlibrary loans at a university or participating library, without having to purchase them. My local university library charges a fee for ILL orders, so what I like to do is find a book I want at another university library, then order it (free of charge) through my public library. (Be sure to include the ISBN in your request. It makes ordering easier.)
A quick search suggests the following textbook titles:
Planetary Science: the Science of Planets Around Stars, by G.H.A. Cole and M. Woolfson, ISBN: 075030815X
Introduction to Planetary Physics, by W. M. Kaula, ISBN: 0471460702
Planetary Sciences, by I. de Pater and J. J. Lissauer, ISBN: 0521482194
and
Comparative Planetology: Procedings of 1st International Conference, Pasadena CA, June 1994, ISBN 0792337905
Again, these are all textbooks and conference procedings. Popular works with the same scope may not exist.
Which is why ultimetly that the law must conceed to this point, it must be available to all who seek it, and all who are imposed upon by it.
The law need concede to homosexual marriage no more than it need concede to polygamy, but it sure does need to make a decision if the county clerks of court want to keep receiving regular marriage license fees.