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Ok, now we know that NASA is lying about some things, and Mars has rainfall, we can proceed with more dispatch.

This ref, rock shows a blue sky with plants on the left and what looks like a swamp on the right.

Next there is a puddle, and the red arrow still shows some overcast clouds.

Bottom image, right a hint of blue, left, the landscape is grayer or most likely more rain.

Left a desert, right a river and green.

I jumped forward some more, (the sol numbers are below) and there are still some water droplets on the silver bit, and not surprisingly the wheel is picking up a lot more Martian dirt, (the previous images before the downpour, where spotless).

This one, especially on the right, clearly shows that the dirt or sand is wet.

Other images also show dark tracks, and very dark dirt underneath, (l didn't post those as, closeup rover images are easy to find, and we have seen those before, where others speculated that it was wet or damp dirt.

We don't need to speculate anymore we know.

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https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/
Raw images, Mastcam, bottom right, if you want to look through the raw images, and do a video, etc.

Ok, had a quick look through Sol 597 Mars Descent Imager, as well as the hand lenze imager hoping to find some more water droplets on the wheels, but nope.

As you can see there are still some nasty looking storm clouds about, (green things in the foreground are plants or trees.

Lower image, overcast sky and fern, with likely heavy rain.

Left image the sun, dark clouds, and obvious fern type leaves around the edges.

Ok, this is a biggie today, but as always l will lead up to it.

Left and bottom images show recent water flows, and passing storm clouds. Right shows plants that seem to blurr with the distance, like there is mist or rain. And the bottom rock, appears to be very shiny, like it was cleaned.

Next one more indications of a recent shower, and possibly a small animals footprint, displacing the sand. Bottom maybe a road, bridge and town.

Then we come to the big one, or concrete proof that NASA are lying and Mars is Earthlike, (l still cannot believe that they missed this, especially when it is close up).

Ok, first off is Curiosity's wheel, that looks surprisingly clean.

And now for the big one, obviously if this area had recent rain, you would expect water droplet's to be present on the rover, which if true would kill the air pressure idea, and kill Mars being devoid of life, and so forth. Here you go.....

And they took another...

I will look up images without the water droplets, but can gurantee that l won't find them on similar images.

Yep, Mars Has Rain!

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Don't know what this is, but the green stuff are plants.

This, the top image, black, middle blob is the rover, (you can just see its legs) and the green thing on the left is another reflective rock showing the rover.

Middle image we get a closer look at one of these giant leaves. And considering that l have seen many examples of twisted plants, l would say that this is a fern branch.

The last one shows more clouds or water laden ones.

Which means, that this part of Mars is semi tropical and has frequent heavy rainfall, or frequent rainfall.

I don't know a lot about ferns, only that they need a lot of moisture and would be dead if grown in a desert.

I should find better examples further on, but would bet that the dominant low, lying plants for this area are ferns.

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Another panorama, showing rain, dense rain clouds, blue mountains and green landscape.

If this was on earth we would immediately think, ok, distant thunderstorm and heavy rain on a flat landscape, which add's a lot of evidence to Mars being relatively wet at its equator, (more or less where the rover is).

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True, probably 5 to 10 metres.

The red circled image was one l found years ago, and after some time l realized that it was the rovers wheel, not a generator or something else.

Source, video posted first post here.

And true when l see something artificial l have to make sure that it isn't the rover.

Ah, no Louis, l have watched some of this guys video's and commented on some, but in this case l believe that this is one of the rovers wheels, being reflected back.

As l have shown below, some Mars rocks are very reflective, so caution is advised when posting stuff.

Found some great shots of concrete proof that Mars sunsets are Not, all blue, and also some rocks on Mars are very reflective.

Top image shows the sun setting, and the mountain in this reflective rock.

Bottom image a pole of some kind.

Top image shows these strange plant/tree things, (CP shows strong green), and lower one shows the sun setting, the white sun!

Top one, more frons, or leaves, (CP clearly shows green) so either a palm or fern?

Bottom the usual in the background and green blobs in the foreground, (CP, indefinably plants).

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Ok, found another seriously cool image, but the best til last.

The sun is still setting over the green martian landscape, with traces of mist or fog, (and the stuff that looks like rainclouds shows a strong green so a plant of some kind).

This is a martian sunset, orange/yellow/green and blue!

And another look at the sunset, this time through some plants and glistening off the lake.

Then this....overcast sky, purple/green mountains or hills and a lake on the left.

Mars is looking more and more like Scotland, and this is on the most barren or dryest area on Mars. Shudder to think what we would see if something landed in the greener areas.

I am quite convinced now that the Beagle probe accidentally landed near or in a forest, and they couldn't BS their way out of it visually, so had to say that it failed.

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Martian sun is setting, and the top image looks like a setting sun, over some tree's and a lake, (like previous images). The green blobs, right are plants, cp shows strong isolated green color.

Although the lower ones only seems to show a setting sun over a mountain with some tree's on the right, (CP shows green).

NASA must be fiddling around with the images again?

This is likely a house, (the water runoff, and possible shutters over the window tend to give it away).

Lower images, top is probably what the landscape originally looks like, with dirt roads everywhere,and the lower is what it looks like after NASA got to it.

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The green thing is definitely a plant, probably lichen on this rock, strong grass green on the CP.

Lower image is this weird thing, that l thought was a bridge, maybe it is, but it has a lot of green, so maybe abandoned; and the gray face depiction in the middle makes this a structure of some kind.

This looks nothing like the rover, probably a lookout building of some kind, or restaurant.

These appear to be more Martian bridges.

These have to be roads, and yep NASA blurred part of it.

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Not much today, but at least we are getting a better look at the tree stump/rock.

It appears to be a statue of a tall gray, with a plant growing out the top of his head, and surrounded by small shrubs, (CP gave off strong green colors). Martian park perhaps? With a hint of distant silver buildings on the left.

Lower image, (left) is a swirling plant, and a particularly nasty thunderstorm, the torrential or heavy rain gives that away.

Right image shows a distant city, or some silver buildings, either way the rover has nothing like this.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-44952710

Saw this today and eventhough it is a step in the right direction, it is also pretty funny with the misinformation.

Like isolated incidents of flowing water, but anyway l know trickle disclosure for the ones with the security blanket fetish is necessary.

But still a little annoying.

PS learned today that they are saying that the water is probably very briny to get over the air pressure fib. So we have a lake in the arctic region under 1.5 metres of frozen briny water/ice, with average temps in the colder regions, (where the lake was found) of almost -200 Dc.

Or in other words, the lake would be frozen solid, and -195 Dc, it would be as hard as steel, not liquid.

And no volcanic activity has been seen or tremors felt by any rover, so we can cross that option out.

So NASA seems to be showing the world that this is a contradiction, or it cannot be, not unless they are fiddling with some of the data.

But l have to admit it was entertaining watching all of the skeptics squirm, lol.