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It is desirable for the expedition to organize international space society, since the national societies by themselves are not capable of making this major project, and to collect sufficiently means! There can be it will be possible to draw to the project such organizations as energy, NASA - NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION, etc., but that the petty private traders no one is considered, for this it is necessary to arrange negotiations with these organizations, there is who it can participate in such negotiations?

According to ancient epos the Hindus there is no time had flight vehicles and much other, including ancient Egyptians even like had rockets... So that it is possible that who that of them could fly away to Mars and colonize it... But now they intensely hide from the earthlings, since they considerably anticipate them...

Poor transfer - automatic because....
In order to have time to leave into space before the unforeseen events, we must rapidly gather finances, and neglect cheap rockets with entire necessary load. But also we must have time to build base on the Earth in the almost inaccessible place so that from it it would be possible to derive small loads........

I am in the severe meditation... Indeed were right opponents, colony indeed small it was unpractical, and he will survive hardly... But to the large of money to us to gather and will not give sooner anything! But besides indeed that, to bear there in space and women, animals, podi you know, and will be able? Sooner anything morons will be born out of the Earth!... But there is no output another nevertheless, they locked us into the angle into the hopeless long ago! And to make nothing to us it will remain and nevertheless! Is output only one - colony and base to construct on the Earth, but to construct so that b nothing it destroy could! With the plant to construct for us it it is necessary indeed! And to derive rockets for us it is necessary and from there indeed, but otherwise large colony to us not to gather! It is necessary to be taken some pains thoroughly by all, and otherwise will remain we all on the beans not with which! Last good days depart here, will know how we all to have time everything to do - very and a large question of!?........

ANCIENT COLONIZATION OF MARS
Sooner anything Mars already someone colonized, sooner anything this was the ancient civilization of the Earth... Is the tracks of colonization the monstrous valley of Mariner, which there is undoubtedly the track, left by the Martian satellite, which fell to its surface, and propakhavshchim enormous fissure on Mars. Especially as fissure is located accurately on the equator, and satellite could fall exceptionally there. But at the end of the fissure there are none it is trace from the satellite, as if it rasstayal, and actually this sooner anything there was precisely comet!!! But in that case this comet in no case itself could not fall to Mars at the equator and with that tangentially! Specially they undoubtedly planted it maximally softly for Mars, there would be otherwise large consequences! Then, comet itself could not go down to Mars as satellite, satellites very for long and slowly descend... Furthermore, on Mars too few craters, although it is located in the asteroid belt that it testifies that it they prolongedly protected from drops in the asteroids!... Comet was undoubtedly that the source of water and gas on its surface, and furthermore it additionally accelerated the rotation of Mars... So that the one who wanted to colonize Mars, he undoubtedly had to throw out comet to its surface, and the valley of Mariner to that - evidence... And this was comparatively recently, both the flows of water and river bed and ravines testify in favor of that, otherwise on Mars it would remain neither it was trace the atmosphere nor polar caps nor beds of the rivers, which simply it would carry by the duststorms, as all ancient craters were undoubtedly carried by sand... And on the Earth in the deepest layers of species find the artifacts of every kind that it attests to the fact that the Martian colonists attended the Earth, or on the Earth there were super-ancient civilizations, possibly even from the reasonable dinosaurs...

I do not greatly understand on English... Concerning support colonies from the Earth, it certainly very indeed is necessary, but it is very probable that this support can be broken at any moment, and then for colonists it is necessary to design only for its own forces, and it is necessary to prepare everything so that they could manage without the outside aid
To create colony is possible on most primitive technology, as there is no time America was colonized on the decrepit sailboats, so even on the Hitler technology possible space it was to colonize. Problem in the fact that to people space absolutely not of potreben and it is not necessary entirely, and therefore no one besides Korolev attempted nor attempts him to colonize... The civilization of the Earth is anti-space never absolutely and anti-intellectual it, and therefore even space not to see by it, as its own take in. The Earth is excessively very already comfortable for the people, but space terrifically it is dangerous and for the life not suitable and almost entirely, but therefore people fear, they do not want in it to live, to fly for a long time indeed there and do not desire entirely! Only there are some idlers, to whom space is necessary through the television set, and through the Internet, others not to find and in the daytime with the fire entirely, well besides perhaps that also military and zarobitchan... But therefore a question about the colonization it is not possible to raise and entirely, and chains terrible through soul everything passed, and they release no one from the Earth, and to tear all chains is capable none!!! It was mistaken 4, there is not one living subjugator of the universe on the Earth, well perhaps that children only can be will be brought up for space of some, but with them too is much necessary to be conveyed indeed, and there is no time entirely for this! Furthermore, with the finances enormous problem, people it is greedy excessively, sooner to tserkvu tyuey podadut how to the rocket they will throw ruble! And they desire the collections none, and to make they do not want to allow us...

I assure you, which the zeniths can be modernized and strongly reduced the price, if only let us have time, otherwise it is necessary to fly on what there is...

There is no society as yet, but people gradually is gathered on the different sites, I intensely search for means...

Continuation of the theme of strategy of the mastery of space.

There is no sense to place water in orbit, but water is necessary much! To derive stands ammonia, and oxygen can be caught by low satellite from the atmosphere. For compensating the satellites deceleration, nitrogen is ejected back with a speed not of less than 10 km in s. The plasmajet, fed from the isotopic current source, must be used for this. Oxygen is selected from air by absorbent, and nitrogen in full or in part is ejected in RD. Thus, to take with itself all products, water, oxygen, fuel- from the Earth very not profitably, too much load it is necessary to derive into space from the Earth, on the order of thousands of tons!!! Therefore all this must be manufactured or found in space! In the rocket engines it is possible to use even metal of old satellites, and meteorites, for example from Lagrange's points. Therefore are necessary such RD, capable of working on any materials... Very important task will be a study of the survival of the living beings in the Earth radiation belts and beyond their limits, where possibly still no one flew! And it is necessary to first send there dogs, or other animals. But then already will have to fly man - volunteer, and if flight passes normally, then it will be possible to gradually accelerate ship... Orbital station for the connection with the base on the Earth however will remain, if we it still will exist. To the moon it will be possible to direct mini expedition, for investigating of its surface and search for places for the possible lunar base, if we want the same or we will be forced construct. Toward Mars will be also directed scout ship, with the debarkation of intelligence officers and robots to the surface, and by a study of the possibility of building colony. If certain difficulties for the colony are found, then we will attempt to solve them, otherwise can be required to change the direction of the flight of expedition. Therefore there is no sense immediately by all to fly to Mars and to be set down on it, and intelligence officers will first there work... But we will temporarily settle in space colony... However to fly to Mars is possible after the intelligence officers, but with the calculation, that either recovery to the Moon or Phoebus, either asteroids or Jupiter system...

Particular donations - this is the only real way of the advance of cosmonautics and solzdaniya of space colony, since no states to this will give not cent! This as in Archimedes - community - fulcrum on which it is possible to overturn entire terrestial globe! But hopes for the fact that many will give on thousands of dollars - completely useless, good so that although on hundred would give, and that be sufficient must for us. Is then necessary advertisement very strong in the newspapers and on the the tele-formnew, and to advertise intensely by all should we, in the newspapers it is necessary much to write, I attempt this to make 4, but it is unsuccessful and almost, newsmen are disposed intensely and against this project! With great difficulty possibly that to print only that! But as in you? Did write you into the newspapers? And in the bank a calculation do have you? But it is compulsory to open we should fund charitable for the expedition to Mars, and otherwise us they can accuse of the swindle, and similar yes, already and they speak! I attempted to open fund, but it does not be sufficient to me one founder in all! I propose to you joint company to create for the expedition to Mars, separately we are powerless and almost, and together let us be able more to make, than we are separate! And a cheap rocket we can rapidly make, and it is already possible to fly, and otherwise, if we not are hurry, then completely we can not have time, then possibly that to fly no one will be able and entirely!...

I am from Ukrainin...

Creation of atmosphere on Mars.
To throw out comets to Mars is not very simple, they too far fly from Mars, and therefore it is necessary to izraskhodavat' a high fraction of the mass of comet for changing its trajectory, and as a result only small remainder from the comet will remain... Therefore it is necessary either to catch close comet and it is necessary to for long await it or it is necessary to change trayetoriyu of comet, with this calculation that into the following arrival it would fly closely to Mars, and then it it will be possible to direct toward Mars, but with the passage past the sun, the mass of comet nevertheless strongly will fall...

MEANS OF Nransporting OF COMETS.
Nuclear engine for the comet - too expensive a luxury and too sozhnaya a thing for us, to is also necessary separately powerful YARD! It is possible to make WITH RD with the solar heating and with the use of a comet substance as the working medium. In the first version RD is constructed the parabolic body of large sizes into hundred it is meter, to which specular film is put on, and this mirror is focused on the housing RD, into which will be given the substance of comet... Or most simply, mirror can be directed to one point of comet, and gas will be ejected to one side, creating thrust, but with the small EFFICIENCY. In this case it is necessary to stop the rotation of comet, or strongly to slow down, and mirror must be fastened to the comet. If comet not large, then entire it it is possible to assess by film, like the bag, with the nozzle at the end of the bag, and gas will leave through the nozzle and create thrust. But to catch comets too for long is complicated, still it is possible to drive home gas- icy miniasteroidy from the system of Jupiter or Saturn, however this is not also simple... But with the presence of the atmosphere on Mars, it is easily possible to revive it, and it must be heated, and become completely comfortable, even more comfortable than the Earth it is possible to make Mars, if plants entire carbon dioxide to oxygen rework...

First colony of earthlings on Mars
First I propose to arrange competition for the selection of the name colony! Secondly I propose to arrange selection among the volunteers for the settling in the colony, for this it is necessary to give information about the equipment of expedition to Mars on entire MEDIA, with the invitation for all those desiring and volunteers. In the third I propose, that those countries, whose volunteers will participate in the base of colony so that they would make the financial contribution for the partial or complete payment of all expenditures of their fellow citizens for the flight for Mars and the equipping on it. Those volunteers, who will put their own significant means for the flight to Mars, they can participate in the competition out of order and they can design on Mars for the extra-budgetary resources of comfort. In the fourth, I propose to search for means for the flight to Mars, and for the building of colony from any possible sources, and that of the sponsors, which will grant more than all means for the colony, by its name can be named colony! Those countries, whose citizens there will be in the colonies about 10% and more, and which will put means for the flight and equipping of their own citizens, they can design for the formation of their own national territory and even for the creation of their own colony on Mars! In the fund for expedition and colony must go the means for sale of territories on Mars to the countries and to citizens... And to post' they will hurry, otherwise best territories will be reached by other! However, for colony itself I propose the lowest place of the valley of Mariner, or another deeper place on the surface of Mars, where the pressure of the atmosphere is greatest... By super-power explosions it is possible to considerably deepen the bottom of cavity for the colony.

The means of delivery it is cargo and passengers from the Earth in orbit
In connection with the extremely limited limit of time and means, any their own rocket to make not possible, to therefore singularly possibly use the existing rockets and to modernize them in particular, by the most suitable rocket from all parameters for the Martian project appears the zenith, with the condition of its maximum reduction of prices, modernizations and sharp growth of its production. Some versions hangars are equivalent to zenith, and we could to us approach, but these versions were necessary no one, but itself of Angar is too distant from the completion, and there is no guarantee whatever, that it generally will fly, however this depends in essence on its masters, and even excluded that with TsIKhom tyuey udatsya to agree... Rocket zenith and some modifications hangars have at the basis the standard starting module URM-2, most convenient for the transport and the operation with the condition of the maximum weight and thrust characteristics of launch vehicle! The most attractive, that on the basis of standard URM it is possible to gather packet from the different number of modules for the heavy launch vehicle! But the very important so as to attain the maximum reduction of prices of launch vehicle with the most possible concluded loads! In particular the replacement OF ZHRD - LIQUID PROPELLANT ROCKET ENGINE with RD -170, on THE NK -33 of times in seven will lower cost, but thrust in this case will be lowered once in five, and for rocket it is necessary to start and to be accelerated with the accelerators. Then in this case it is possible to manage without the second step, but gruzopod'emnost' of rocket can somewhat fall but in the packet gruzopod'mnost' will be sufficiently large. Is unfortunately for the packet necessary special universal launching pad, and this one of the main complexities of project furthermore it is possible instead of the kerosene to use mixture of hydrogen and methane, or liquid hydrogen, and then load capacity one URM will grow to 25-30 t! Additionally it is possible to simplify and to reduce the cost of construction URM, after replacing the milled sheets by the thin and smooth dural or by the glass-fiber-reinforced plastic or the reinforced plastic... As a result the cost of launching zenith 4 will be lowered once in ten, and will compose primrno of approximately 2 million u.e.

Complementary proposals on the organization of expedition.
The collection of volunteers and selection - far from most urgent for the expedition, and with this one should wait a while, those more thus far yet did not enter means... The very fundamental importance has an attraction of organizers of expedition and their assistants, moreover to draw it is necessary them thus far on public principles. Then they will have a priority in obtaining of highly-paid posts in the expedition and in the project, and also the extraordinary right of flight to Mars or into space. It is natural that subsequently the basic work will be carried out on the paid basis. Now directly about purposes and directions of the activity of organizers and assistants. Central objective - maximally wide advertisement and the propaganda of expedition. Moreover it is necessary to complete breakthrough, since now THE MEDIA and many people are extremely negatively disposed against the Martian expedition, and they desire nothing about it to print, even for the pay! It is necessary to search for such newspapers, which will not forego the publication of our materials, after which and the rest will also be are forced to print us... Furthermore, it is necessary to walk to different businessmen and directors of enterprises and firms, and to persuade them to sponsor expedition, and colony on Mars, although this is very thankless work and far from every it will be able to manage... Furthermore, it is necessary to gather all possible materials on different projects of expeditions and flights to Mars and planets, and to select that which to us approaches. It is possible to gather together the best materials and to print pamphlet or book... Furthermore, it is necessary much to work with different firms, and to order in them everything which will be required us for the expedition, beginning from the rockets, and it is necessary everything to keep under control, otherwise any not quick firm, it can tear away entire expedition, with the fact that for us it is necessary to do everything within the most compressed periods...