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Dont want to be controversial but, the americans sunk a jap submarine at the entrance to Pearl Harbor just over an hour before the main attack began; so technically seeing as shots had been fired (interestingly enough the USA fired the first shots) you could say the war had started even though the jap ambassador was late with his message. But thats just me throwing info out there.

You sold us lots of lots of shiny bits of military equipment during the war and then lent us lots of money afterwards. Cheers!

Exactly. If you look at Afghanistan and Iraq, you have on one hand a country descended into religious fanaticism basically run by terrorists, on the other you have heavily secular country, and practically the only country in the region to not harbour terroists. And then look at how much GWB wants to spend on each one in his war on TERROR.

Sadham was a evil man who did evil things to his people, but he was basically a third rate despot with little or no ability to destabalise a table let alone the region. There are roughly thirty of those in the world today, is GWB going to make us invade them all?

BTW, the IRA was funded by America(ns) to buy guns from Libya, drugs from columbia and kill us Brits - that always annoyed me.

Erm yes, of course they were trained to fight a conventail war.  :laugh:
The world is primarilly screwed up today because of the west and the old USSR playing wars and politics by proxy everywhere they could. The west is all thats left so its our responsibilty to clear up the mess.

Presumealy if you buy the soyuz outright it will be extra to normal servicing/crew transfer ones. You could dock at the space station for a week as an extra. All you then need on top of that is to produce the lunar injectionstage/living module and your away. Say, $100m total, maximum.

Myabe it should be combined with the CSI tranlunar plan?. You could probably get an extra 20M$ from a TV company then as well.

Very funny 

Theres a rumour (probably true) that Kerry has Botox injections.

Funniest bit.

You can't say nu-clear, that really scares-me....  :laugh:

The guy near the lady with the hair and next to the man with the shirt and tie. ???

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3912095.stm]US panel backs space budget cut

hmmmmmmmmmm

Actually if you read the press release it mentions explosives..................

Also, from the press release.....

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God-darned americans, always jumping to conclusions.... 

Europe is an inneficient organisation, as most international projects are, but i feel proud that we are trying and im willing to accept inneficiency at first - but like anybody only up to a point.

ESA on the other hand, from what ive seen, is quite an efficient organisation. All the different cultures and perspectives actually create a dynamic working environment - and the constant flow of people in and out of the organisation seem to always be bring fresh ideas and attitudes to the table.

What always amazes me is that ESA only employs 2000 staff and another 2000 contractors compared to NASAs 25'000 staff and 40'000 contractors!

As for the English-French rivalry its really just a bit of fun. As the 100 year celebrations of the entente-cordiale showed recently, England and France have been on good terms for longer than most countries in Europe. The rivalry is similar to the way we mock the Irish, or the French mock the Belgians or the Swiss.

But you do? I suppose marriage doesnt symobolise anything and the exchanged vows mean nothing to the participants?

So, by your logic once the children move out the marriage becomes pointless?

Marriage is about love, we arent changing anything, simply accepting that two people of the same sex are capable of loving one another.

Cobra, next time you are invited to someones wedding, listen to the couples vows and count how many times they mention children. Next, listen to what the priest says and count how many times he mentions children and count how many times he mentions LOVE.

"will you have this woman as your lawful wedded wife, to live together in the estate of matrimony? Will you love her, honor her, comfort her, and keep her in sickness and in health; forsaking all others, be true to her as long as you both shall live?"

If you look at marriages and why people marry, the common denominator is not children, money or even living together, its LOVE. Two people who love each other want to bind themselves together and show everybody that they love each other so much that they are prepared to commit to spending the rest of their lives together, no matter what. The fact that marriage is a loving environment and one that is both beneficial and conducive to bringing up children is a good thing but ultimately not the reason for the union.

Yes, they can put an ad in the local newspaper and have it written in the sky if they like too, but marriage is the ultimate symbol of two peoples love for one another, why should people be denied that because of their sexuality.

No problem Cindy.

In 1952 Alan Turing, a mathematical genius who had led the teams to break both ENIGMA and CIPHER as well as concieving of and helping to build the first computer in history, a man awarded and OBE and given the highest security clearance personally by both Winston Churchill and the White House, was convicted of being a homosexual.

From then on as an alternative to imprisonment he was forced to have regular injections of oestrogen designed to eliminate his sexual drive and control his 'urges'. During the Cold War, homosexuals were considered a security risk and after his conviction, he became ineligible for security clearance and he was forced to stop his work.

Two years later he poisoned himself with cyanide to avoid further 'embarassment'.

How times have changed.

Many countries are making moves towards creaing equal rights for both homosexual and hetrosexual couples to marry.
I feel that a country which claims to be 'the land of the free' has a lot to answer from when its president tries to ban homosexual marriage in its constitution.

Bush will certainly be remembered in 50 years time - its why and how he is remembered that will be interesting.

Personally, the whole outlawing gay marriage in the constitution thing was the final straw for me.