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Forgot the link to the nice sphere picture with the donut to the lower left;

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ … ...M1.HTML

A word of caution. Beware of possible fossils at the pixel limit. A good example, look at the smaller picture and see what looks almost like a spiral shape to the left of the sphere. Now zoom in to the larger picture and you can see that it is not a spiral. I am always wary of artifacts at the fuzzy pixel limit.

And I am still perplexed by the spheres. I want to know how they formed.

When I saw the face in the Viking pictures, I was hoping it was some artificial artifact. I even read Hoaglands Monument to Mars. But better pictures show it is just another Martian hill. It does have some interesting Geology.

So why such a drastic change in the face when we get new pictures? It has to do with pixel limit. You see, the original picture of the face was at the limit of the camera’s resolution. In fact, you’ll find that all of the artifacts listed on Hoagland’s website are at the camera’s resolution pixel limit.

At the pixel limit, things are unclear. That is when our imagination takes over. Humans tend to see faces in all kinds of things, the wood grain in a desk, clouds, or even the side of a mountain. When you up the resolution, I have noticed that Hoagland goes back to the new pixel limit to find more artifacts.

What about enhancing? When ever a picture is enhanced, data has been added that was not there before. I laugh at Hollywood when they take a picture, zoom in and enhance it so you can see something like what is written on a piece of paper. In the original picture the paper is just a white speck, but they show clear writing on it. Folks, that is not possible. You can’t pull out data that is not there. Pictures have a pixel limit, past that, there is no data to gather. You can’t take one pixel and enhance it so it is now many smaller pixels with new data, and be accurate.

How Stuff works is a great site, and I have been viewing it for a couple of years. Until today, I didn’t know they had Terraforming Mars on there.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/terraf … orming.htm

What we need is a gravity lens scope using the Sun’s, or Jupiter’s, gravity well.

I read years ago that such a scope could show us contents on any Earth-like planets orbiting nearby stars. I would love to have a look at the Alpha Centauri System. With two Sun-like stars that can support planets out to 2 AU’s, it is a good place to look for Earth-Like planets.

http://homepage.sunrise.ch/homepage/sch … tauri.html

http://www.click2houston.com/technology … etail.html

Scientists Believe They Found New Baby Planet

Check out these pictures Cindy;

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/cgibin/gs2.c … ...e=image

Have you seen any stories where we are actually living in a present where the history was altered by time travelers?  In the original timeline, we did not exist.

I first thought of this while watching Back to the Future. Remember when Marty was playing Jonnie B Goodie in the 1950s. They had him introducing that song. Before he went to the 1950’s, I would have had him play that song in the 1980’s where he wrote it and no one had heard it before. When he got back to the 1980’s he would have been peeved to learn someone else gets the credit for his song.

The way they did it in the movie, they set up one of those wonderful paradox’s where we ask, How could Marty have known about the song before he went to the 1950’s if he is the one who introduced it in the 1950’s.

Star Trek usually does a good job with time travel stories. I like in Enterprise where the Vulcans do not believe in time travel.

Rob, I thought of that too. If the probe hit a rock, it needs a way to get around it.

Perhaps if it had some kind of radar to detect objects in its path it could adjust its course as needed.

The best thing to do is to find where the ice crust is the thinnest. There may even be some places were it is very thin.

Anyone watch the season finally of Enterprise.

I like it. Just when I thought this story line was over, boom!, they hit us with that ending.

I have to disagree with you on this one. I logged many hours studying pictures of Kasei Vallis.

First your observation of possible plate tectonics is a good one. This is the general theory on the formation of Valles Marineris, which is like a great rift valley. Also, even if Kasei is a rift valley, they wouldn’t be reasons for Mars not to have water.

Here is a project for you. Study an Earth river channel and see if you get the same results you did with Kasei.

Here is why I believe Kasei is a river channel. It has meanders, which are formed by a liquid. There is also evidence of alluvial fans were the Kasei river dumped its sediment load when it entered the ancient Northern Ocean.

Here is an over view of Kasei.
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m19_m23 … /mc10.html

What you may be seeing is areas where the escaping ground water broke the terrain into blocks. I see a little of that happening around Kasei.

Keep studying and coming up with theories.

I like the Venus eclipse movie. I wished I could have seen it.

I thought I would pass on this site. The artist name is Norman Brown.

http://www.normanbrown.com/]http://www.normanbrown.com/

You can listen to 2 or 3 full lenght songs from each of his cd's