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#326 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2002-12-13 16:14:20

No!  The nuclear bomb was the greatest innovation of the 20th century.  Think of how many lives it has saved.  How many times has a US-Russian war been averted with the possession of this one weapon?  It has only become a bad thing now that rogue nations and possibly terrorists posess it.

#327 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2002-12-13 15:55:18

Attacking North Korea would be stupid. better to simply let them starve themselves back to the stone age. It is an unfortunate choice for the people of N. Korea, but there is little to be gained by going in there.

I agree with you assesment Josh on Chinese and n. korea relations- n.korea means nothin to china, they will sell them down the river.

What do you mean?  ANYONE with a nuclear weapon has quite a bit of bargaining power in the international arena.  We need to disarm them before they get a better nuclear warhead and a missile to carry it to the west coast.

And I know this example has many different factors than this situation, but if the US were transposed with China's world role, how would you feel if China marched a 250,000 man army complete with a mass of ships, and invaded, say, Puerto Rico, or Greenland, or Mexico?  I for one wouldn't want the world superpower setting up shop next door to me.  Even if you aren't buddy-buddy with someone doesn't mean you won't get involved in your hemisphere's affairs.

#329 Re: Not So Free Chat » God, Creation, and the Universe Explained! - Life, the Universe, and Everything. » 2002-12-13 15:47:29

Look, we're picking our battles about little technicalities.  Let's look at the big picture.

Yes, every faith has its own truths and good rules to live by.  However, there comes a time when you have to believe in only one truth as being the real truth.  What you think is really going on with the afterlife and whatnot.

How is it that faith, or belief, dictates the parameters by which we meet it?

Faith doesn't dictate the parameters by which we meet our faith.  Rather, it is a uniform means of communicating and expressing our beliefs.

YOU must decide what you find to be a fundamental truth, and that is what is now reality (only in your own mind).  You can believe that other faiths have noble things to follow, but you must decide for yourself what the truth is.

#330 Re: Not So Free Chat » God, Creation, and the Universe Explained! - Life, the Universe, and Everything. » 2002-12-12 14:53:52

I wasn't saying that you need to believe in one god, perse, I was saying that you need to believe in only one faith.  If that faith is polythesism, then you should believe in multiple gods, and not any other belief.

#331 Re: Not So Free Chat » God, Creation, and the Universe Explained! - Life, the Universe, and Everything. » 2002-12-12 13:03:02

It doesn't matter what you believe, a particular god, no god, or multiple gods, it's all the same.

But it does, doesn't it?  No matter how you think that God exists, YOU have to choose, in the end, what you believe and what you don't, and that becomes your reality.  You can't be on both sides of the fence, because it QUESTIONS your own belief in your OWN reality.  To believe in more than one God is to contradict yourself. ???

#332 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2002-12-12 12:57:18

caltech, wheres your expertise from?  ive taken economics in high school.  youre far too arrogant.  you still dont know your facts.  the more i read, the less seriously i take you.

if everybody had to do all their own research, and nothing could be cited from primary sources, nothing would be done in science.

You were using your parent's experience to make it look like you had more "clout" than everyone in this issue.  Until you have a degree of some kind in economics, I will not treat you as such.


And I don't know about Gore in '04.  Most of the Democrats don't want him to run again, and many Americans don't want to see 2000 replayed.  I was looking at Gephardt, until he resigned.  I think Kerry will be the default now.

And as for North Korea, if you can prove to me that China won't intervene on the penninsula, I would support the action.  I think Iraq should, and will be kept under watch for now, because the US military has the ability to sustain operations in two theatres.

#333 Re: Youth Group / Educational Outreach » Name the Mars Robot - For children » 2002-12-11 23:36:01

Yeah!  Like former president Ronald Regan.  What's not to like?  He was California governor, reduced taxes, ensured the fall of the Soviet Union, built the nation's military to a new peak, and ushered in the Space Shuttle.

I mean, the senior citizens, mostly conservative in their old age (unlike myself, a spry whipper-snapper) were the majority age group back when Regan was in office.  Why not?

The Regan Rover... Pioneering New Ways in an Old World Since 2006  I LOVE IT! big_smile

#334 Re: Youth Group / Educational Outreach » Just to start a topic :) - stuff » 2002-12-11 23:31:42

YES!  Now I'm a SENIOR MEMBER!  I get a bigger cubicle!  And a coffee cup with the company's name on it!  And a pen with my name on it!  And business cards!  SCORE!

#335 Re: Not So Free Chat » God, Creation, and the Universe Explained! - Life, the Universe, and Everything. » 2002-12-11 23:28:03

Can you consciously believe in two religions at the same time?  I mean, can you hold the belief that two different ideologies co-exist?

Can you believe in God, but think that Allah, Budda, and Yahweh still exist?  I know that Christianity, Islam, and Judaism believe in the same God, but the dispute is over the prophet (Jesus, Mohammed, and ? respectively).

I just can't accept the existence of more than one truth... I know you guys will call me "narrow-minded" and "unwilling to accept the truths of others", but in our own minds we all need to decide that we favor one religion, and we can agree to disagree with other organized religions.  Even if you turn out to be wrong, what is religion if we are not 100% sure that we are right?

It reminds me of the episode of South Park where Satan has a love affair with Saddam Hussein (speak of the devil... PUN!).  Anyway, Satan has to find out how to break it off with Saddam, so he goes to ask God.  When you see him in hell, before all of this, there is a gathering of people getting the "hell orientation".  There are people asking, "well, I was a devout Protestant", and "I was a faithful Muslim".  The head demon says through his microphone, "I'm sorry.  The correct answer was Mormon... Yes, Mormon."

I mean, everyone in the crowd thought that they were 100% right on what they believed, but someone has to be correct, and everyone else is wrong in the end.  I know its hard to grasp, but you HAVE to believe that your truth is the only truth, and agree to disagree with other religions.

#336 Re: Not So Free Chat » God, Creation, and the Universe Explained! - Life, the Universe, and Everything. » 2002-12-11 22:55:05

Yes.  I was trying to demonstrate the absurd by being absurd.  Besides, Sinead O'Connor did that to protest child abuse by Catholic preists in Ireland (NO!  DON'T BRING THIS PART OF RELIGION INTO THE BOARD!).  In fact, she was an abused child herself.  She's a priest now... AH!  I've wondered off topic again big_smile

I am not a chauvanist, as many have claimed.  I think women should, do, and will continue to play an active role in politics and society.  However, on George H's remark, sarcasm doesn't read very well in print...

#337 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2002-12-11 22:41:03

Hey soph!  Where did you get your economics doctorate from?

Whsspper...whssper...whisper... OH!  What's that Big Bird?  Just because your parents have a background in something doesn't make you an expert in that field?  I HAD NO IDEA!


And on the Josh Cryer/ecrasez_l_infame SCUD debate point, I've been saying that if Iraq is PROVEN to have no WMDs, we should move onto North Korea.  My main fear was the Chinese, who, if you don't remember their friendship with North Korea, sent a 100,000+ man army into North Korea during the Korean War.

#338 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2002-12-11 16:22:59

Do you want to be the person destroyed in a complete and total retalliation?  I wouldn't...

#339 Re: Not So Free Chat » God, Creation, and the Universe Explained! - Life, the Universe, and Everything. » 2002-12-11 16:21:34

Wow.  All of this unbridled hate for a complete stranger.  Do I support the "ripping out of clitorises" in other countries?  Don't be absurd in comparing my comment to that.

#340 Re: Not So Free Chat » God, Creation, and the Universe Explained! - Life, the Universe, and Everything. » 2002-12-11 16:17:31

God is existent, for now, only in our own minds.  I can't go out and show you God; I have to have faith to prove anything.  And I don't have to prove it to you, only to myself.

#341 Re: Mars Society International » MS Mars Station gets telescope » 2002-12-11 16:13:00

Can any of you guys recommend a particular Celestron model?

#342 Re: Youth Group / Educational Outreach » Name the Mars Robot - For children » 2002-12-11 16:11:38

I don't even want to know...

Hell, they'd probably vote for the Regan Rover too! big_smile

#343 Re: Not So Free Chat » God, Creation, and the Universe Explained! - Life, the Universe, and Everything. » 2002-12-11 16:05:33

Men don't shave their heads and rip pictures of the Pope on Saturday Night Live ???

#344 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2002-12-11 16:01:44

You don't think China would have a problem with losing its next-door communist (sorry, socialist) buddy next door?  What if we had to use a nuclear weapon the remove the threat of their nuclear weapons program.  NOT A BIG THERMONUCLEAR DEVICE!  Just a "strategic" device, like the ones the Pentagon is proposing (and developing as we speak).

If I was China, I would NOT want the US setting up camp in North Korea, not to mention waging a war there.

#345 Re: Not So Free Chat » God, Creation, and the Universe Explained! - Life, the Universe, and Everything. » 2002-12-11 15:58:58

Have you seen "The Mummy"?  If you have, remember the scene where the guy that ran away from the French Legion in the beginning (Vinny?  The guy with the fez, anyway.)?

When the mummy approached him, he pulled out his prayer chain, with all of the world's major religions having a pennant on his chain!  It's the same way here.  You can't be on both sides of the fence when it comes to religion.  We can interpret the same events in different ways, or study what valuable lessons other religions have to offer.  But when it comes down to it, you have to make up your mind on what you believe and what you don't it's as simple as that.  There can't be dual beliefs.

#346 Re: Not So Free Chat » Magazine » 2002-12-11 15:51:56

Quite alright... just wanted to confirm that there was no undue mudslinging out of context... big_smile

#347 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2002-12-11 15:49:34

Hey!  I didn't bring China into this.  I just said that they were a threat to the US operating on the Korean penninsula if we tried to disarm North Korea.  At least we're talking about foreign policy...  wink

#348 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2002-12-11 15:44:18

learn your facts about systems of government and economy.  socialism is totalitarian.  communism has no inequality whatsoever.  therefore, socialism is a step away from communism.

True communism, as oppossed to the economic system of so-called "communist" countries, is a theoretical construct. In the real world it is irrelevant because people just don't work that way. All political theories have a gap between their ideals and the reality of their implementation, communism simply has an unusually wide gap. True communism does not, has not, and can not exist.

CalTech2010:  See.  I told you so.  Hey Big Bird!  Didn't I say the same thing just a little while ago?

Big Bird:  Yeah!  God bless that Cobra Commander!

#349 Re: Not So Free Chat » God, Creation, and the Universe Explained! - Life, the Universe, and Everything. » 2002-12-11 15:39:39

Yes.  That is my point.  In your own mind, your belief has to be the only right belief, and everyone who doesn't share your belief is wrong.  That's why we have organized religion is to make this task easier.  Two religions can't exist parallel to each other.  You must decide, in black or white, what your belief is, and leave all the others behind.

And I was being sarcastic when I said "clarkie" was a cute nickname.  That remark was aimed at Nida.

#350 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2002-12-11 15:36:45

Do you think that if the US government developed a system of SDI defense, they would just come out and tell everyone they did it?  Do you think that they would declassify the SDI system, the most advanced defense system IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, to the prying eyes of the world?  If we had an impenetrable shield, wouldn't announcing its presence just TEMPT some nation to try it out?

And socialism is defined as:

theory or system of social organization by which teh major means of production and distribution are owned, managed, and controlled by the government, by associations of workers, or by the community as a whole.

communism is defined as:

an economic and social system based on the ownership of land, factories, and other means of production by the community as a whole, or the state.

Maybe I am hallucinating from a tab of LSD, but Big Bird, I notice a definite similarity in the two definitions!

Face it.  Socialism is the current application of communism, and a step in the communist direction.

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