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#276 Re: Space Policy » US reliance on Russian access to space » 2008-03-12 08:59:23

International cooperation will be awesome for space exploration. It will slash the huge costs and avoid the millitant nationalism that has plagued past space programmes big_smile

#277 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming Venus » 2008-03-12 08:18:05

How big does a StarShade have to be to completely block light coming to Venus?

Obviously the smaller it can be made, the more feasible such a device would be on a reasonable timescale.

I'm thinking that an Iron rich Asteroid could be perturbed into the right orbit, and gradually reshaped and sculpted into a thin stellar shade, perhaps making it out of a simple lattice of welded metal plates.

#278 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming Titan - Fate of Methane Atmosphere? » 2008-03-12 07:48:20

Terraforming Titan would be probably dumb.

However, Titan's massive hydrocarbon and water-ice reserves combined with ists low escape velocity make it an incredible resource for human space colonisation. It could be a manufacturing centre for fuel, plastics, water and fertiliser (Haber process uses Nitrogen)

If Fusion power become possible in the future, It might be possible to live in an enclosed settlement on the surface. People might not like to live there so I can imagine robots doing most of the work.

#279 Re: Civilization and Culture » What if NASA had to earn money BACK.. » 2008-03-12 07:30:57

NASA isn't a buisness and shouldn't ever operate like one.

Space programs are ridiculously expensive but thats a worthwhile cost for the Science they produce and the general sense of wonder for humanity they create. What NASA invests now will be reaped in the future, usually by corporate interests who don't like to make risky investments.

If I had things my way, I would have took all the money that was used on the Iraq war and spent it on getting us to the Moon/Mars.

#280 Re: Civilization and Culture » Domestic vs Industrial » 2008-03-12 07:21:50

I don't think we can avoid how industrialised any future settlement of Mars will be. Only high technology could make living on such a barren hostile world possible. The lives we live today would not be possible without a highly indusrialised society.

So, It will be a huge part of it. Colonizing space will be like the next industrial revolution. It will require massive new machines and technology to take advantage of resources in space.

I don't know if its being planned, but someone has to figure out how you make a huge factory/refinery in space. It will be too expensive to import alot of the materials in space. Advance inrobotic will probably help.   

I'm hoping that the advances in technology will also make Mars a nice planet to live on with greenery, fresh air etc etc

#281 Re: Civilization and Culture » Art Idea » 2008-03-12 07:11:10

Can u draw a picture of it? I don't understand it!

I've always wanted to draw a smiley face across the moon smile

#282 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » War » 2008-03-12 07:09:03

Eventually it will probably get to a point where there is a Martian war of independence. The orbital shipyards would be used for building fighters. What methods could prevent it?

I don't think so. Wars between devleloped industrialised nations appear to be a thing of the past for the most part. The Means of destruction are too great. Thats a good thing too. Nuclear weapons (Possibley Anti-Matter Weapons) would make any Martian-Earth war very very brief. Mars would be much worse of in a War.

I would hope that a peaceful arrangement can be achieved in the future instead of repeating the bloody past.

#283 Re: Terraformation » Antimater core deposition - - re-heating the martian guts » 2008-03-12 06:47:37

Hi Gregori, everyone.
  Do you mean that you don't see the point of heating the Martian core?  The point is that vulcanism is involved in several geochemical cycles that are needed for biosystems over millions or billions of years.  Also, a couple billion years from now Mars will be much closer to a comfortable temperature since the sun will burn hotter.  However, it will have eroded flat and lack the concentrations of elements needed to support complex life.

  There is not much point in the short term.  In the very long term it would be nice if Mars had more volcanoes.

  Warm regards, Rick.

Hi,

I understand the goal of it, to make Mars have a core like Earth. I just don't think the energy input for this would make sense in the long run. THe Martian Core is thought to be quite warm already, it just never formed tectonics.

My thoughts on terraforming is that you have to work with the planet you have, adapt to its condtions technologically. I don't think you can just force it to become Earth.

Over millions of years we could mine the material needed to maintain a life forms on planet. Maybe its even a good thing that Mars is not so geologiaclly active copared to Earth. There less risk of a catastrophic Natural disaster.

If its really important to have active geological activity, perhaps very deep fissures could be cut into the Martian surface to make plate tectonics.

#284 Re: Terraformation » High pressure 'terraforming' of Venus - trimix atmosphere and cooling » 2008-03-11 17:34:46

If you could use a stellar shade to cool the atmosphere of Venus,

Would it be possible to electrolysis C02?

I'm thinking that removing the atmosphere of Venus inot space is prohibitively expensive and pointless so it might be easier to turn it into a more useful from on the planets surface.

#286 Re: Human missions » Could NASA Make Do With LESS Money? » 2008-03-11 05:57:31

That doesn't mean the Russian technology is by any means Inferior. The Soyuz has had a longer run than any of the other spacecraft.


In regard to the topic of the thread, I think NASA could do with a lot more money and I'd prefer If they spent the money that was wasted on Iraq to getting us closer to Mars, Moon etc etc


Budget constraints meant that many great NASA programs got axed or delayed...

#287 Re: Human missions » Could NASA Make Do With LESS Money? » 2008-03-10 10:07:08

I'm betting the Russians are getting by with far less than 12 billion dollars equivalent per year and with inferior technology at that.

"inferior" how?

#289 Re: Life on Mars » Mars Rovers Sharpen Questions About Livable Conditions » 2008-03-04 21:02:53

What about Extramaphiles?

Extramphiles might never get the chance to evolve in the first place in such an enviroment.

On Earth, there are plenty of enviroments were life can thrive and spread to adapt to all niches. Billions and Billions of bacteria and microorganisms in nice friendly enviroments increase the chances that some will have mutations that help fill wierd niches like Extremaphiles do.

#290 Re: Single Stage To Orbit » SSTO » 2008-02-03 12:51:47

We're talking about SSTOs. Not Spacecraft to other planets. SSTO- Single Stage To Orbit.

Okay..... but it still is in the 'interplanetary transportation' section.

If the Fusion can't power an SSTO of the ground, perhaps a large fusion craft can be built in orbit that never lands, only transports orbitally between planets and asteroids, using other vehicles for surface operations

Perhaps a Fusion powered railgun/mass driver could launch the vehicles into orbit?

#291 Re: Single Stage To Orbit » SSTO » 2008-02-03 11:31:06

assemble the fusion reactor spacecraft in space

#292 Re: Life on Mars » Discussion on TAMPERING with the truth (revised) » 2008-02-03 11:20:50

Why would NASA or the US Government cover up Life on Mars. Why would the entire scientific community do that?

The US goverment can't even keep people's social security data secret, what makes you think they could pull off a vast conspiracy like this?

#293 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming Neptune » 2008-02-03 11:12:03

Terraforming neptune is hopeless. Its not an earth like enviroment and no matter how much time and energy you wated on it, It will never become one.

We could however adapt to living in its upper atmosphere using clever technology and engineering. Bacteria that are independant of sunlight for energy may be a possible food source, that or plants grown indoors under artificial light. 

I reckon that Fusion power is the key technology to make this all possible.

#294 Re: Terraformation » Ceres » 2008-01-25 01:54:05

Since we're talking about absurd things here:

Who here think Ceres would look nice parked in Mars Orbit? Give mars a decent sized moon for a change!!!

#295 Re: Life support systems » Type of nuclear power plant is needed by Mars astronauts ? » 2008-01-15 00:11:25

I think, why bother?

By the Time Nasa puts a man on the Mars, Fusion power is probably going to be possible. Most of the public would be against putting a fission reactor into space, they already go apeshit about RTG's.

There is no need real requirement for that amount of power in the first missions to Mars, they could easily get by on Solar. Giant Solar panels would be much lighter to carry across space. 40% efficiency is already possible, in 2 or 3 decades, much higher efficiencies will be possible with quantum and nano technology. The wind on Mars has been shown to clear dust of the 2 rover's panels.


I get the feeling some people here just get a boner talking about Nuclear Fission Reactors....

#296 Re: Life on Mars » A new methane thread - Starting from more recent data » 2008-01-14 21:18:39

Methane is one of the simplest and most common chemicals in the Universe. There are a thousand and one ways it could have formed without life. Neptune and Uranus's atmsophere's are filled with the stuff.

Those trumpeting the methane=life theory are probably looking for either hype or funding. Life will not appear on Mars because we want it to.

#297 Re: Exploration to Settlement Creation » Domed habitats... - ...size, materials, and more. » 2008-01-13 22:30:32

Perhaps it could be sealed better if the structure was a giant metallic sphere? The bottom half of the sphere could be submerged in the regolith.

The top half of the structure would use a lattice of plastic plates (or any suitable transparent material) reinforced by a welded metal frame.


The material to build this could be mined from an Iron rich asteroid.

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