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Why, I ask, would the federal government let a confirmed "reseracher" have his field bulldozed by the local police? It's a clear overlap of jurisdiction.
Make it free. Treat people that are ill from addiction as if they are ill.
Oooh! Good idea! Let's make the taxpayers grab the bill so that everyone can unnecisarilly get high! Don't treat the United States government like a big free medicine cabinet so that a small group of people can get stoned on my dime. I don't think so.
you gotta get a grip. youve got a real fixation on this stealing your vcr thing. more violent crime is caused by guns than pot, and thats with pot being a black market substance, which would magnify its attachment to crime.
My friend used to live in Miami, and she had her house broken into all the time by drug addicts, and they way you could tell was that they only took her VCR. Not enough to buy anything big; just one hit of heroine or cocaine. It's pretty sad.
And I should have gone and seen "Chasing Columbine"(?) that independent film about why Americans are so obscessed with guns. I can't explain why we have more gun deaths. I guess its because we are at heart a very rural backwoods people.
Once again, I'm sure Jesus won't mind not getting a birthday card from me. I don't really care about our holiday being historically accurate, the fact is that it is still a celebration of an important event, whether we celebrate it on time or not the fact is that we celebrate it.
thats ridiculous. tobacco is far worse, and its not regulated by the government. why should hemp be?
As I've mentioned before, people have gotten accustomed to the free availability of tobacco over the 400 years we as Americans have had it. If we want to make sure that hemp is grown for the right purposes, we need to make sure that people get used to its availability before we let everyone dive in.
And we SHOULDN'T let people do their own hemp "research". It should be done by the government, or in close coordination with government contracted biomedical firms.
I thought you didn't care what people did to their bodies?
I don't care what people do with their bodies, when they're locked in a room and can't get out. I draw the line when they steal my stereo and VCR to buy heroine.
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no, he was explainig why heroin od's occur.
Josh wrote:
So I agree with you, some regulation is ultimately necessary, but for really powerful drugs like heroine.
Josh wrote:
And I don't see why we'd need to nationalize hemp. Farmers ought to be able to grow it unregulated, like they do most things. If we legalize hemp, we're legalizing marijuana.
Because then anybody who wanted to get marijuana wouldn't grow hemp, they'd become a farmer to grow pot. I'll bet 5% of this COUNTRY would quit their jobs and become "hemp" farmers.
The point is, though, that if it's legalized, there can be a good, safe, market for it, and so you won't have people killing each other over drug money and so on.
It still doesn't matter if the market's safe; drugs cost money, and if they don't have that money they'll find some way to get it (ie stealing my stereo and VCR).
NATIONALIZE hemp for the first 20 years to insure that it is used only for material purposes, and that hemp and hemp alone is being grown. PRIVATIZE it after that in the hands of responsible and well-informed industry.
We need to regulate industry very heavily if we let hemp become privatized. We can save all of that by keeping hemp in the hands of the government. I think only government agencies should grow hemp for the first 20 years, then slowly switch control over to a very heavily regulated private industry.
I would never let hemp become legal to be grown by the public. It's too risky.
I think we should try to find a THC-void version of hemp. Then we could let anyone grow it.
So let's make hemp legal, and keep marijuana in its drug form illegal. By making the drug growing industry nationalized, you can make sure that the hemp is grown in the right way.
So you want to legalize HEROINE now?! Those are the addicts that scare me. I have to admit that most of my marijuana-enthusiast friends are pretty mellow when they do it, but heroine is a horse of a different color.
Those are people that will do desperate things to feed their addiction, and as a non-user I don't want to be in their path if it becomes legal. They'll find some way to pay for it, legal or illegal, most likely illegal.
If we legalize hemp, I think it should me nationalized for the first 20 years, and then slowly stepped down to privatized after that.
I don't want to argue about it because its constitutional law in black and white, and if Gore had only won the electoral college vote, you'd be singing a different tune.
I've told you already that without the electoral college, voters in Wyoming, and Montana, and Alaska, and New Mexico would be augmented from having any political voice in our affairs. The electoral college was set up so that states like Virginia and New York, who held a majority of the citizens at that time, didn't control the vote, and gave voters in Georgia and Rhode Island a chance to speak up.
I know the popular vote system make sense in New York, but out here in Colorado, we'd be forgotten.
What color is our alert level now? I bet if i picked out an M&M from a bag, id have a good chance of picking out the color!
Smart ass...
If osama is still alive, I bet he's thinking about retiring. Our government will take care of the rest.
I can't think of many golf communities that would host a wanted terrorist. Maybe some golf resort down in Pheonix would give him a safe haven. I suppose his hatred of western ways won't let him sip a pina colada on the beaches of Jamaica, either!
I'm a VETERAN MEMBER! As George Jefferson would say, Movin' on up the ladder, Wezzi!
Let's not argue about the electoral college anymore. I'm sure that people in population centers (such as yourself, soph) favor the popular vote, and people in rural areas (like me) favor the electoral college.
What's the difference between marijuana and hemp then? I'm sorry if my questions are a little nieve. I don't grow a lot of pot, as you can tell ![]()
I've seen the little insect crawlers, and I have to admit they're pretty cool for a $250,000 set of LEGOs. Soph and I were talking about using a crawler for construction purposes, which would be a slow cumbersome beast.
And I wouldn't trust a Berkley student as far as I could throw one... ![]()
Yes, I have been paying attention. And I'm telling you that I can still speak out against our government, hold a peaceful meeting with other citizens, practice my own form of religion, get a fair and speedy trial, not have my house searched at night, and keep and bear arms.
And my parents sure as hell voted in November's elections, so I don't see where you're getting tyranny from.
Okay. So why do you want marijuana legalized?
My main fear is that out of shock and excitement, every teenager in America would go out and get a few joints, and get high. I am worried that unless we have a centralized industry we can trust to produce pot, the dealers will get kids to try to move onto heavier stuff.
Prove me wrong, you sacred stranger Josh.
Supposedly. Something about the shepherd not being out in winter. I find that hard to believe because Israel is in a Mediterranean climate.
I don't think Jesus would make a big fuss about when we celebrate his birth. I'm sure he has bigger fish to fry.
I can't watch streaming video. I'm on a 28.8k copper wire connection out in the mountains on a P75 machine.
What did the video say, exactly?
And I'm still not clear on when the government banned its use. When was the first law passed banning marijuana use in these United States?
I apologize if sarcasm doesn't come through very well in print.
My dad would have tanned my hide if he'd seen what I had just written and didn't know I was joking.
No, almost every cop I've ever talked to has told us that drugs are a downward spiral. I don't even want to experiment when I already know the answer.
Didn't they make you watch those gruesome videos about the trackster who died at 25 because he got cancer in his mouth? The pus-filled white cavity in his gums? The skoal can they hid under the fuse box? Don't you remember that Soph?!
And when did the government tell me oil was clean? You just have to walk through the orange groves of southern California on a cold day to see that.
I think you're referring to the OIL COMPANY sponsored ads about how an oil heater is more EFFICIENT. Nobody ever said it burns cleaner...
Okay. You guys win. I'll just put on my FREE TIBET shirt, sit down in my "shroom" poster-covered room, and toke up. I'll waste $100 of my money getting high, and then I'll still have to leave that room and face my problems, $100 poorer.
I'll have my VCR stolen when some poorER guy breaks into my house to feed his addiction to the next level of drugs, and I'll be forced to live in a 2 room shanty house for the rest of my life.
I LOVE MARIJUANA!
Why should I not trust a police officer? Someone who's always there to help, and sees these types of addicts all the time. Why experiment when someone you trusts tells you the answer?
And why would the government ban marijuana? Do you think they just "wanted to make it hard on the common man, trying to escape his problems"? No. If the government says its bad for you, I find it hard not to trust them.
Josh, if we could use hemp for only fuels, textiles, etc., those companies would have jumped on the hemp research wagon a long time ago. I doubt that if it was the real "wonder material" they would have just let it pass them by. And if they really wanted hemp, they'd lobby the government to LEGALIZE pot, not keep it illegal like they're doing.
Because tobacco's been a part of American life since the 17th century...400 YEARS! Tobacco isn't a hazard to society. It doesn't cause a hallucinagenic high, and that makes it the REAL victimless crime. Even now, most kids don't smoke. I know about 3 who do, out of 250. Compare that to 225 out of 250 back in the 1940's.
Let's look at the problems associated with legalizing a previously illegal substance.
Alcohol. The Mexican children COULD buy it, buy when they're thirsty, they get a Coke. WHY? Because they've grown up with it, see it isn't so good, and wait until they acquire the taste. If you were to eliminate the drinking age right now, every kid in America would go out and get a 6-pack. Every kid would go: "Hey! This stuff is cool! If they've had a drinking age on it for this long, it must be some really good stuff!" It'd take quite a few generations to get to a European level of drinking responsibility.
Marijuana. Every Dutch kid grows up knowing that they could buy pot, but they realize they don't have to get high to escape their problems most of the time. So when they do use it once in a while, it's not so bad. American kids would go out and buy 5 kilo bricks and get stoned out of their minds. A sudden rarity becomes common, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon. It would take even longer for all citizens to get used to the availability of pot.
I don't think I will. I'm enjoying the CHRISTmas season too much.
Since when have tyrants moved into this country and taken away our constitutional rights? All we want to do is deport those Iranians back to Iran because they didn't have their visas renewed on time. Other immigrants can get their visas renewed on time, including other Arabs, so why should we just let them stay here because "their intentions were good...we think".