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#1 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Draft Laws for Mars - Laws for the Peaceful Settlement of Mars » 2003-04-15 22:01:07

Gun control does violate the second amendment.. the intent of the second amendment (not the "reinterpreted" intent) was to allow people to carry weapons on their person at all times.

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -Thomas Jefferson

"The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people." - Joseph Story

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe." -  Noah Webster

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

"...the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -James Madison, the Federalist papers.

Notice the hatred of gun control, and a standing army as well. I guarantee you every single founding father would be dead set against American policies today. Washington warned against "entangling alliances" and I dont think they even conceived of America having a military overseas.

#2 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mars Needs Saloons! - Mars for Free People » 2003-04-15 21:48:49

I hope there's pigs with tasers, that'll make them easily killable.

#3 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Languages - Parlo Italiano - What langauge should be the Official? » 2003-04-14 19:15:12

Doesn't make arguments for an offical languag illegitmate, though, as you laughably suggest.

Why? What do you need an official language for, if not for government documents and crap?

#4 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Draft Laws for Mars - Laws for the Peaceful Settlement of Mars » 2003-04-14 19:14:19

No, The US constution is not just a poece of paper like you paint it to be, and it is not a straight-jacket to prevent action in times of need, like you intimate in your posts.

It is open to interpretation, changable, flexible, and circular.

Even if it is as you say, that only demonstrates the character of the Untied States since we still are free. you don't need a piece of anything to prove that.

Hardly free by the criteria of those who wrote the constitution. They revolted against 1% of the taxes we have today.

And yes, I've heard the "living document" stuff before. But whats the point of the document if its so "alive" that there are laws that flatly contradict what it says? I guess, like the bible for the catholics, its all open to "interpretation".

#5 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mars Needs Saloons! - Mars for Free People » 2003-04-14 19:11:10

You don't need guns on mars. Period.

There won't be criminals on Mars?

#6 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mars Needs Saloons! - Mars for Free People » 2003-04-14 15:52:32

So if I want to sell drugs to 5 year olds, and they have the money, that is okay?

Yes.

#7 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mars Needs Saloons! - Mars for Free People » 2003-04-14 15:45:50

I didn't say guns are necessary, I said there's likely to be a market for them.

So you believe there shouldn't be any restrictions or regulations on the market?

Correct.

#8 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Draft Laws for Mars - Laws for the Peaceful Settlement of Mars » 2003-04-14 15:45:04

Oh dear.  Anti-Americanism in an irrelevant thread.

The post wasn't really anti-american, though I am very proud to be anti-american.. since american seems to be defined as a supporter of police state militarism.

Since you couldnt get beyond the shock value of my post and see what i was trying to convey, i'll explain a bit more. History shows that constitutions have not been preserved. America is an excellent example of this. There's gun control, a standing army, and wars without an actual declaration of war by congress. These all violate the constitution.

How a government acts it is not defined by a constitution, just like how the Church acts isnt necessarily defined by the teachings of Jesus as it is ideally. Its determined by economic, political, and social factors not a piece of paper.

#9 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mars Needs Saloons! - Mars for Free People » 2003-04-14 15:40:27

Haha. I didn't say guns are necessary, I said there's likely to be a market for them. Nothing is "necessary". As I said in my earlier post and am now repeating, I just object to statists who want all that crap regulated.

#10 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Clark » 2003-04-14 15:38:54

Laziness, the weak overcoming the strong, natural selection over-riding morality, prejudice and self aggandizment, a feeling of cultural superiority.

Intellectually bankrupt. Meaningless. Assertion. Rationalization of behavior. Cheap justification based on a narsassitic world view. Racism. Bigotry. Ignorant. Uninspired.

Slavery isn't natural. It is the height of un-natural.

A relationship where all that is mine, is yours, and none is ever mine, is a violation of every tenet of life and natural behavior.

You offer nothing but sophistry.

hahaha. i actually agree with you guys that foadi is saying the state is inevitable in large population centers. but your responses are hilarious...

#11 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mars Needs Saloons! - Mars for Free People » 2003-04-14 15:17:41

Agreed, adjustments could be made. However, why go to such lengths and invite additional calamity by securing weapons capable of hurtiling projectiles as other human beings? If you're willing to go through the trouble of developing projectile weapons that are safe in a pressurized environment, why not choose stun guns or other devices that look to incapacitate another individual?

Maybe people will prefer non lethal tasers or something to guns. I dont know. Its my personal opinion that there would still be a large market for guns. If there isn't I wouldn't have a problem with it... its just people who want to restrict the actions of individuals to set up their retarded idea of a martian utopia that i object too.

#12 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Draft Laws for Mars - Laws for the Peaceful Settlement of Mars » 2003-04-13 22:15:15

Constitutions are pointless. They're just pieces of paper that will be broken later. Notice how the US government doesnt follow its supposed "guiding document" at all.

#13 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Languages - Parlo Italiano - What langauge should be the Official? » 2003-04-13 21:40:28

Ahh, sorry, I thought I said government documents. Oh, okay, so we'll just throw out government, makes sense. Good answer!

Thanks.

#14 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mars Needs Saloons! - Mars for Free People » 2003-04-13 21:39:53

Hehehe, I'd enjoy seeing some idiot gun nut shoot down an ATF guy

I would too.

I'd like to see you handle a gun in a hab which is, well, pretty damn fragile.

First of all, making a fragile habitat seems like a really dumb idea to me. Secondly even if that was the case, I'm sure that adjustments could be made (for instance, there are types of ammunition that can be used safely on airplanes0.

A gunfight in Mars gee! Can you imagine?

Pretty cool, eh?

#15 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Languages - Parlo Italiano - What langauge should be the Official? » 2003-04-13 21:37:06

Um, I recall recently a thing where a spanish majority in a town wanted the documents printed in Spanish as well as English. The conservatives in said town said something along the lines that English was the offical language and so on. So it wasn't allowed.

So, should these spanish people had the documents printed in Spanish too? Or is the town morally correct in saying that English is the offical language? How about we apply some real world scenarios before we make pointless 6 word comments?

Documents? What documents? You mean like books? Then people will decide if printing them in spanish will make them a profit. If you're talking about government documents, I despise though, and don't think they should be printed at all. So it's a non issue for me.

#16 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Communism - Any Communists in here? » 2003-04-13 21:29:31

And yet... Earth manages, quite well, might I add, to feed one country enough food to feed the world three times over... ahh, I smell a strong scent of idiot trolls.

No thanks to socialism.

#17 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mars Needs Saloons! - Mars for Free People » 2003-04-13 21:25:49

May I suggest that you keep these feelings secret until after you obtain your $150 billion in seed money from those same people. . .

Who needs fed money? It'll come with strings attached, and no one wants that. Any government boondoggle project to go to space will fail, I guarantee it.

Then you go from the topic of government to the topic of parents and a child. I guess this is how you think of your relationship to government.

#18 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mars Needs Saloons! - Mars for Free People » 2003-04-13 21:23:38

Or restrictions on fully automatic assualt rifles, hey, who wants to aim when they're hunting quail, I'd rather just spray in the general vicinity, thank you very much Mr. Congressman.

The point isnt to hunt quail, its to shoot down the criminal / ATF guy (one and the same) on your front lawn. Why are people such damn pussies about guns?

#19 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Communism - Any Communists in here? » 2003-04-13 21:01:18

The only good communist is a dead communist. And dead you guys would be, if you made the red planet red in more ways than one. Imagine "redistributing" the air and water supply "equally". hahahha. you'd be dead in weeks.

imagine warsaw during the cold war, except the bumbling planners are also responsible for your air and water supply. earth is a planet of finite resources, and mars even more so...

#20 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Languages - Parlo Italiano - What langauge should be the Official? » 2003-04-13 20:56:52

An "official language" is a stupid idea. What the hell would you need that for?

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