NASA 2007 Budget

Yang Liwei Rocket · 2006-03-22 08:44:20

It has been rumorred that Bush wanted to give Nasa 1 billion more this year but with that he also wants to get more for the war in Iraq. Part of the increase was to cover the Huricane one two damage.
Shortly Nasa will submit a budget request and though it will take a while to pass it could also be not recieved all to well in congress. Matters could even go real bad if the next launch is still plagued by more foam falling from the ET.
NASA's New Budget: Treading Water

We are now having difficulty pushing ahead without substantially raising the budget, but why all the budget trouble ?

Doesn't NASA and the USA have a heap of money for space and Mars, or is it all getting eaten by the Iraq mess, taxcuts for mega-corporations and money for Hurricane disaster ?

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/history/your_debt.htm
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http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Sadly without a raise in the budget NASA must start getting cut if it wants to keep going on.

GCNRevenger · 2006-03-22 10:28:35

Oh hush with the political grandstanding Yang, your "debt clock" propoganda posters aren't relivent to this discussion.

"My impression is that the current plan gives a larger fraction of the astrophysics budget to... large aerospace contractors, and a smaller fraction to pay the salaries of astrophysicists, who have no other source of funding to turn to. By the time the budget recovers, our reservoir of world-class expertise will have left science for other careers."

Times change, priorities change, budgets change... its not a temporary swing, the budget isn't going to "recover" from anything, its just going to be spent elsewhere. NASA's budget has been stuck in the "go in circles for science" status quo for decades, and so the ranks of astrophysicists has grown to meet that goal. Now that goals change, so too will the demand for scientists.

And again with the "big bad ol' aerospace companies," please, these companies do amazing things, things which happen to be pretty expensive. Right now, these companies are the only source for the hardware needed to explore our solar system, so of course they get lots of money.

"...the astronomical community's process for recommending priorities to NASA (is) effectively broken in the current budgetary context. The process builds in 'undercosting' at all levels of the system, ensures that flagship missions are emphasized above all else, and guarantees that the budget will be hugely overrun... But until we astronomers get our own house in order again, it's going to be hard to convince Mike Griffin... that we deserve different treatment."

No kidding Sherlock. And lately, the astrophysics folks have been behaving as if they deserve money for every project they can dream up, and go crying to the media when somebody calls them for it... But anyway, a signifigant portion of the cuts can only be blamed on the behavior of the scientists, not NASA brass. Its really very simple, NASA must keep its costs under control, and if the science folk can't accurately, competantly, or truthfully manage their programs then they don't get funding.

"The recent cuts to NASA's astrophysics program are ill-advised and unfair to the hard-working scientists who dedicate their lives to these missions."

If by "recent" he means "DAWN," that mission exceeded its original budget by 100%, and may have climbed still higher. Whos fault is that?

Money is tight at NASA, and some hard decisions and new arrangements will have to be made as priorities change. Imparticularly, I think that physics missions ought to be funded more by outside science agencies like the NSF, and not lump those in with space science just because your experiment only works in space.

publiusr · 2006-03-23 15:55:20

Once CEV/CLV and CaLV are done--there will be other launch options for larger automated probes. The CEV service module might make for a goo spacecraft bus even as some Soviet craft used Soyuz tech. CaLV could launch a true Europa lander to deploy cryobots. Science is not being hurt. Period.

It is just that the damage scientists did to LV advocates is being stopped. The two failed Volna launches of the Planetary Society are proof that scientists overthink the payload while caring nothing about launch vehicles. That attitude bit them--badly. And they repeated their mistake by trying a second Volna--which also endured many missions at sea on a rusty Soviet Sub--and they had the gall to wonder why it failed.

Yet Louis F. wants to bash Griffin--who has MRO and New Horizons under his belt--and they still tell lies about how he has "hurt science." I was disgusted by the anger the pointy heads showed towards Ms Cleave--who is a very nice lady. It wouldn't have done for me to have been there or there would have been a fight.

Griffin is doing the best that he can. Goldin was like a father who gives his kids candy to keep their mouths shut. Griffin is like a wise father who won't give in to every whine--but rather gives his kids a filling meal at the end of the day.

The science mongers need to grow up and quit acting like babies. It would not surprise me to learn that some money that could have gone to shuttle safety pre-Columbia wound up in an also ran Delta II mission under Goldin--so I would go so far as to say the anti-human spaceflight crowd has the blood of the Columbia dead on their hands.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2006-04-06 13:27:15

Well, its really just a painfull transition period. Were going (trying) from a noneffective and unsustainable manned flight program to an affordable, flexable, and outword looking one. I'm sure that people would rather go to places themselves than send a probe.
But the engineering on a manned program is a lot more complicated and takes longer to net returns. When it does of course the returns are so much greater.

Any thoughts on how next years budget will go ?

SpaceNut · 2006-05-15 16:16:49

NASA's Search for Another $1.2 Billion Gets Tougher

Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.), the chairman of the House Appropriations science, state, justice and commerce subcommittee is under the gun to find about $1 billion for popular local law enforcement initiatives the White House cut from Justice Department's budget request. Restoring the local law enforcement money, congressional sources say, is a top priority. As a result, lawmakers will have to weigh, for example, how soon to put astronauts on the Moon versus how many police officers to put on the streets.

publiusr · 2006-05-19 11:46:18

We got enough cops on the streets. They raise their own revenue with radar guns in one hand and a doughnuts in the other. Maybe if they would just stick to crimes against people and property instead of prohibitionary nonsense we could save even more money.

There is no 'murder of science--that is a lie the pointy heads want us to believe. In the past 25 years--how many probes have we sent to the planets? Plenty. How many shuttle replacements? Zero.

If we keep giving the self-important academics everything they want--that is in effect a perpetual cut on real hardware like what Griffin is (at last) having NASA build.

How many folks in the science community cried when X-34, X-33, SLI or OSP bit the dust?

Oh yeah, go after the enginners and the LV/spacecraft advocates, but don't touch us, we can't wait for--say--larger LVs for even better science payloads--we want our Delta II sounding rockets now!

Or better yet--no real space missions--just give us white coats your tax dollars so's we can do in lab tests for self-promoting papers with our names on them--to go dusty on some shelf or other because no one reads them.

Is this the NASA we want? I say NO!

That is just more Goldin era nonsense--and that is why NASA is in the fix it is in, with engineers lacking, and Alt.spacers bashing.

Time to either support Griffin, or shut the f**k up.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2006-06-10 02:16:30

It has been rumorred that Bush wanted to give Nasa 1 billion more this year but with that he also wants to get more for the war in Iraq. Part of the increase was to cover the Huricane one two damage.
Shortly Nasa will submit a budget request and though it will take a while to pass it could also be not recieved all to well in congress. Matters could even go real bad if the next launch is still plagued by more foam falling from the ET.

Hurricane season is just about to begin again !

Brassed off: scientists warning on NASA cuts

NASA is cancelling or delaying a number of satellites designed to give scientists critical information on the earth's changing climate and environment.

SpaceNut · 2006-06-10 08:57:59

Yes and here is the kick off for the season.
First tropical depression of 2006 forms; Weather system near Cuba not expected to develop into hurricane

SpaceNut · 2006-06-12 19:52:57

Well we wondered what so many employees did when the shuttles were grounded and even though work is ongoing it seems the nasa has more idle hands.

NASA's Workforce Challenges to Be Exammined at House Science Committee Hearing

NASA estimates that it has about 1,000 employees without sufficient tasks,

We know that these hands are not cheap either.

John Creighton · 2006-06-12 21:03:53

Well we wondered what so many employees did when the shuttles were grounded and even though work is ongoing it seems the nasa has more idle hands.
NASA's Workforce Challenges to Be Exammined at House Science Committee Hearing
NASA estimates that it has about 1,000 employees without sufficient tasks,
We know that these hands are not cheap either.

1000 * 1000 k/year =1 milllion per year. A fair bit but a small part of the NASA buget.

GCNRevenger · 2006-06-13 05:04:37

Ummmm no, thats like $100 million, more then that if you include health & retirement bennefits. Sum that over 25 years and you are talking $3Bn.

publiusr · 2006-06-16 14:01:56

EELVs took at big hit according to Space News recently.

cIclops · 2006-06-19 16:25:40

Space News report details of the House Markup budget. If true this micromanagement of NASA by the politicians must be driving Griffin nutz.

A House budget panel drafted a 2007 spending bill that would fund NASA at slightly below its $16.792 billion request and require the agency to direct more money toward aeronautics research and science programs.
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Although the subcommittee agreed to fully fund NASA's effort to replace the space shuttle with a Crew Exploration Vehicle and a rocket to launch it, lawmakers cut about $150 million from NASA's proposed budget for technology development meant to enable the agency's exploration goals.

Whereas over at the Senate, NASA has much more support:

The Senate Appropriations commerce, justice and science subcommittee is expected to mark up its version of the NASA spending bill in late July or early September. The ranking Democrat on the subcommittee, Sen. Barbara Mikulski (Md.), has pledged to fight for a $2 billion increase for NASA.

publiusr · 2006-06-30 12:54:58

Good for her! Now if we had more DEMS and GOP-ers like her.

cIclops · 2006-07-04 22:21:43

More details here on the effort to increase NASA's budget.

Two key U.S. senators have joined forces to increase NASA's 2007 budget by as much $2 billion above the White House request.
Sens. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.) and Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas), two longtime NASA supporters who serve on the Senate Appropriations Committee, are pushing for the extra money to reimburse NASA for bills the agency incurred as a result of the loss of the Space Shuttle Columbia and the damage to agency facilities caused by Hurricane Katrina.
Mikulski and Hutchison will seek to add the supplemental funding for NASA to the 2007 Commerce, Justice and Science spending bill when it goes before the Senate Appropriations Committee July 13, according to aides to the two lawmakers.

publiusr · 2006-08-11 15:29:29

Great!

SpaceNut · 2006-11-18 21:45:56

Alot can change when the seat of power changes...

Many excerpts have been posted but these are the compromises and that one more attempt may be made to get Nasa what it needs so as to not short change anymore programs.

These additional resources will detail out what has been worked on oh and lots of charts...

House Confirms Large Boost for NASA Development
Senate Adds $1 Billion to NASA Budget

National Institute of Standards and Technology American Competitiveness Initiative Increase Advances, but House Slashes National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Advanced Technology Program R&D

Big Boosts for National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration R&D, National Institute of Standards and Technology Labs in Senate Plan

Mars_B4_Moon · 2006-11-21 19:33:44

Alot can change when the seat of power changes...
Many excerpts have been posted but these are the compromises and that one more attempt may be made to get Nasa what it needs so as to not short change anymore programs.
These additional resources will detail out what has been worked on oh and lots of charts...
House Confirms Large Boost for NASA Development
Senate Adds $1 Billion to NASA Budget
National Institute of Standards and Technology American Competitiveness Initiative Increase Advances, but House Slashes National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Advanced Technology Program R&D
Big Boosts for National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration R&D, National Institute of Standards and Technology Labs in Senate Plan

How will the vision do beyond 2008 ?

SpaceNut · 2006-11-28 08:07:32

Save Centennial Challenges - Space Leaders Call on Congress to Restore Funding. The Space Exploration Alliance, the Space Frontier Foundation, and the X Prize Foundation have come together to call on Congress to support and expand Centennial Challenges, NASA's space prize program.

Unfortunately, although the House of Representatives voted to support the program in 2007, such funding was zeroed out in the 2007 Senate appropriations bill for NASA.

publiusr · 2006-12-08 16:17:49

GOOD! No more money for piddlers.

SpaceNut · 2006-12-12 21:25:38

$1 Billion ‘Mikulski Miracle’ on Ice

NASA’s chances of receiving a $1 billion emergency supplement to its 2007 budget appear to be dead.
A spokeswoman for Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.) said Dec. 12 that the incoming chairwoman of the Senate Appropriation commerce, justice, and science subcommittee would not continue to push for the funding.

GCNRevenger · 2006-12-12 22:00:42

Save Centennial Challenges - Space Leaders Call on Congress to Restore Funding. The Space Exploration Alliance, the Space Frontier Foundation, and the X Prize Foundation have come together to call on Congress to support and expand Centennial Challenges, NASA's space prize program.

Unfortunately, although the House of Representatives voted to support the program in 2007, such funding was zeroed out in the 2007 Senate appropriations bill for NASA.

Have to agree with publiusr here, NASA's "Centennial Challenges" are a long way from yielding anything really useful, even assuming they work at all (which is a stretch). NASA needs to focus more on the short term, build Ares-I/Orion as quickly as is reasonable, then Ares-V and the LSAM. For this it needs all the money it can get, especially while still propping up Shuttle and ISS, and even fitting away a few million would be a mistake.

SpaceNut · 2006-12-14 20:57:16

UPDATE: $1 Billion ‘Mikulski Miracle’ on Ice, but NASA Increase Still Possible

adjourning Dec. 9, the 109th Congress passed a so-called continuing resolution, or CR, that keeps federal agenciesfunded through Feb. 15 at the lowest of the House-approved, Senate-approved, or fiscal 2006 enacted levels.
This means that NASA will not be able to implement any of the new programs for 2007 that take them beyond their budget level,”
what the president’s 2008 budget includes as priorities before re-evaluating any re-introduction.” for the Mikulski-Hutchison amendment for a $1 billion shot in the arm

publiusr · 2006-12-22 16:04:59

David Obey is the big stumbling block.

SpaceNut · 2007-01-01 21:07:21

Well here is what the years funds will be paying for Manifest destinies; U.S., Russia, China and Japan plan to extend their reach in space in 2007

Five missions to the International Space Station. Two to the moon. One to Mars. Another to an asteroid with craters twice the size of Orange County.
The 2007 space docket is long and inspired. This could be among the most productive years yet for humans and robots working in the wild black yonder.

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