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WTF?
"We go big, or we don't go." - GCNRevenger
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Rich passengers can provide a source of revenue, but I doubt they will support Mars exploration. Still, the idea of paying for our ticket is desirable. I wonder if it is possible to transport enough passengers that their tickets could pay for the trip to Mars.
If so, what would the ticket price and number of passengers need to be?
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The discussion dealt with the specialists in the region of sciences and technologies, they on Mars most of all will be required. The passengers we will take not strongly rich, but not poor, who are capable of paying order 1 millions or even less, I hope that such we will succeed themselves in finding, desirably specialists...
Prompt as in you to put pictures and drawings?
MODERNIZED SUPER-CHEAP ZENITH
M Is taken first stage of zenith as URM-2, and engines change on it, instead of RD -170, is placed one NK -33, very cheap, or analogous Chinese nshche cheaper engine. Since the thrust NK -33 very low, it is necessary rocket to start with the accelerators RDTT - SOLID-PROPELLANT ROCKET ENGINE with the very cheap fuel. Accelerators also standard, or URM-Y and due to the cheap fuel and the cheap construction are obtained by cost not more than 1 million piece. The cost of first stage of zenith without the accelerators must compose several million; therefore the total cost of step with the accelerators will be about 5 million. With the concluded payload approximately 10 T. total launching weight will be about 400 t. Empty step will be used as the element of Martian ship, and such elements will be assembled into the packets on seven pieces, and can also on 19 pieces, and they are butted by the ends between themselves... First stage with the accelerators can be gathered into the packet of three and seven rockets, but more powerful launching pad will be required... Furthermore, it is possible it to alter to hydrogen, and to raise gruzopod'emnost' of monoblock rocket to 30 t.
Rocket-ramjet VRD. Possible to alter the rocket of external combustion to direct-flow VRD, in this case it is possible to get rid of the heat exchangers, and to burn hydrogen or kerosene at a strong oxygen deficiency and a low temperature, and gas is ejected through the nozzle directly inside the ramjet engine VRD or R- PVRD $$RTPVRD - RAMJET ENGINE.
Airflow in the engine is compressed in the air duct, which is nozzle from the rocket camera. Moreover air partially is compressed on the shock wave from the nozzle, and further still it is compressed from the inclined gas jet from the nozzle with the adjustable pressure depending on speed and the flight altitude... The mixing of air and gas jet further occurs and its afterburning moreover at the high supersonic speeds, and therefore the section of combustion sufficiently long is obtained. Further hot supersonic jet is enlarged in the nozzle part VRD and as a result is obtained additionally significant thrust increment to the thrust of rocket camera. As a result the specific impulse can reach 1000 and more than yedenits! The engine working well even at the very high speeds, and it is regulated well on height and flight speed! This engine is very good as accelerator for the super-cheap zenith! And it is possible that with its aid it will be possible to be accelerated even to the orbital velocity...
Who knows, prompt, is conducted an even more international competition to the suborbital rocket? And if yes, then what conditions for participation in the competition, and are whether other still competitions?
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How for a long time there is this international society? How many the countries and the organizations participate in it? Why here so there are not enough people? The society yet can has had time to type members? Why new martians and what there are old martians?... Whether Is going to do a society flights and expeditions to space?
Whether there are interested persons almost free of charge to depart to space, or to Mars? For those who becomes the founder of the space company, or in it will work, for them there will be an opportunity, out of turn and almost free of charge to depart to space. The others can become passengers for flights in space by way of turn, but with very low prices for flight. It is possible owing to that the company will use very cheap modernized rockets...
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IMPROBABLE SENSATION? ALIVE STONES ON Mars!!!
The god has created a stone life on Mars, and it completely alters and masters a surface of Mars, has processed there all rocks and mountains, and creates an atmosphere... Years through one thousand there will be a heavenly spot, the continuous sea, sand and beaches and palm trees instead of apple-trees...
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IMPROBABLE SENSATION? ALIVE STONES ON Mars!!!
The god has created a stone life on Mars, and it completely alters and masters a surface of Mars, has processed there all rocks and mountains, and creates an atmosphere... Years through one thousand there will be a heavenly spot, the continuous sea, sand and beaches and palm trees instead of apple-trees...
Yes, the Mars Bunny! That gave us days of fun. It was revealed to be a scrap of fabric from the balloon package. More important, it gave us information about the wind on Mars - information the probe did not have instruments to collect.
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The discussion not about the sunbeam reflections deals, while speech about the fact that the stones are there living and life other there.
THE ASSAULT OF COSMOS ABOLISHES!
And is capable and no one to the exploit none! And to pay for space desires no one! And even abroad, that desire to pay it did not find! One he wanted something to pay, and the where that it shed! And there are no on the Earth good there are no people, and there are no angels entirely here! To drag by chertey at the sky it wanted no longer to me! Assume that it is died here, will fall through all into the Adas! And will eternally all burn with monstrous fire and everything is infinite! For the fact that those, they did not want to believe to me that the lives of eternal would acquire b to themselves! But god now nearly killed me! I do not know also for which, but here then I thought over and to fly away! To the feature of rocket your to me! Once desires no one to pay! There barbarians will arrive by crowd! And they are whipped entire peace by crowd! And will break all pieces of iron, everyone, also, to one! And they will leave on the Earth and nothing! But the scientists of every kind and designers they will send into hell to burn they! And Christians they will send there all similar! Will leave only traitors, children into the slaves to itself! Were ready documents in me, to the firm it made documents! But it spat to entire such! Once does not desire to listen to everyone me!...
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Not the God to kill enemy it my sacred it Nikolay me tried in fact, and here only... On the night of sacred Nikolay I almost that died... But the enemy has bursted from Pressure and is alive there was I... But I in deep I meditation I, and whether it is necessary to fly where when around one enemies almost, and anybody colleagues it is mute!?... And time also is not present practically almost, do not know, tomorrow as there will be also it... Rockets all have come into continuous deadlock, anybody it is not capable to extend our rocket boiler from a bog!
Only measures cardinal are necessary to rescue space progress, but time at us almost absolutely and is not present...
Except for that who that pursues me, there was an attempt, tried to catch, it is necessary to disappear to me... I would not know who it could, one assumptions are at me...
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The PLAN About the last space plans all also have failed absolutely! Anybody almost does not wish to depart, anybody and does not wish to give it for space of a money!... Last price was however small, and anybody it almost and did not give that, only pair the person were ready to pay, but all of them were lost!!!... Time so - I shall make the new plan! I shall almost free of charge make to myself a rocket! All I shall do itself almost, and even engines! All this will manage in a trifle and almost! Well pair hundreds thousand and only...
Whom I want, with myself I shall take away that, and who will want to depart with us, I shall force to pay. As did not wish me to help, and I not снизойду I before anybody then!... Still plan Д is at me and for emergency, already if last plan will not turn out...
ELECTRICAL LIFE ON MARS And ACIDIC LIFE ON VENUS In the conditions of extremely low humidity on Mars, the low atmospheric density and high solar radiation, the strong electrization of dust probably occurs, from it the electrons are knocked out, and it is charged positively... Furthermore apparently there there are mechanisms of the displacement of charges or charged dust, in consequence of which entire dust can obtain charge, and it becomes as if fluid, like the water!... Furthermore, in the separate places - at the apexes of barkhans occurs the concentration of the charges of electricity, and here the most natural possible microtransfer of dust, which can be strengthened by Martian winds... As a result the barkhan mmozhet to be moved even almost in the calm weather... If charges in the barkhan are moved artificially, then vozmmozhno that barkhan can become like the electrical machine, which pushes itself... As they indicated that there there are entire rock- dust flows, similar to the viscous fluid, the type of rivers, and they completely can even create river beds, but there is no here open water most likely there, and it is not known, there was it!?... Is artificial, or natural, to judge difficultly to how much rock- dust substance on Mars, all the more it is difficult to judge to eat there something the similar to reason... As far as Venus is concerned, there also exists something, it is more similar to the certain rock forms of life, but in contrast to Mars, there it is observed a kind of the artificial rock plates... Most likely they are connected and are formed with the aid of acidic microcirculation of minerals and salts, instead of the circulatory system in animals, or the motion of liquid in the plants... this form of life greater is similar to the plant, than to animal, although on Mars everything vice versa...
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I ask you, and very strongly I ask, you tell, what here for a society international you have created? And it is a lot of in it people, and it is a lot of in it the organizations, the countries? Whether probably to join you, whether возжно such for me?... Whether here your society international is registered it? I wish to offer you I, joint to make to us the project, flight to Mars to us in common all to solve and discuss!
In common money we could collect, and to make it is possible extremely cheaply weeds, for a few millions it is possible to depart to Mars... Here the society at you could make translation for us, and we then could we then join you we could...
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TO Mars BEHIND the SKULL of the MARTIAN!!!
My hypothesis that Mars for a long time someone is colonized, is similar obviously justified. For a skull of the martian - the best to it the proof!!! Though which who speaks, that it simply stone similar to a skull... Probably and such, but the mars rover quite could borrow more densely in that skull and dispell all doubts that it itself(himself) represents... The Some people speak, that it is a helmet... Can even so, time is not present any bones...
Similar Mars - the dangerous planet, time on it can roll skulls of advanced aliens, or though even a helmet... The poor fellow in martian sand Can çàïëóòàë, or oxygen has terminated - and everything, the end to the poor creature... And can there at martians - war with alive stones, sand... So apparently Mars - the planet terrible, and can also terrible riddles who is capable to solve them?
If that not the stone, and the present skull, or a helmet such artefact on auction on the Earth could be sold for the sum - the order of many millions, and can even billion dollars!!!
Otherwise, if it simply stone it could be sold for some millions!... So expedition to Mars obviously starts to find real chances for the prompt realization! Now quite really it will be possible to find the sponsors, ready to lay out millions, for delivery to the Earth all artefacts and interesting stones and tests of a ground from Mars!!!...
All these features on the Earth undoubtedly will to cost very dearly, a question in how them more quickly, easier and more cheaply to deliver to the Earth... Where this skull is - it is known, it is necessary to fly only there and to take it! But in any case expedition to Mars necessarily should ñàìîîêóïèòüñÿ and even to make greater profit... Therefore expedition to Mars finds the increasing reality...
Though all depends, on what to fly if to fly on present rockets and the ships, all will manage extremely dearly but if to make own supercheap rockets, then probably to fly to Mars even essentially less than for billion!...
ARCHEOLOGISTS FORWARD TO Mars
Time there are one skull there should be and still skulls and the whole skeletons and there should be whole underground cities, as a last resort traces of stay of aliens there should be kept! This immense field for astroarcheologists, geologists and other other sciences... Except for that the riddle of a stone life is very surprising, and demands the most steadfast studying! So it is possible to agree to archeologists, and with representatives of other sciences and to organize joint expedition to Mars,They could finance expedition though partially...
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Gawd, this topic is soooo going to be relocated to 'intelligent alien life' if you keep going at it.
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TURNING ON 180 deg.!
WE FLY NOT TO MARS, A to VENUS!
On THE DIRIGIBLE TO VENUS... On Mars there fully strong perfumes, and probably fully highly developed gummanoidov, and for us there there is no place apparently!!! Mars sooner anything is extremely dangerous for the people, it is analogous and the Moon... But here Venus is sooner anything - sterile planet, there was life on it similarly not entirely! Therefore there are no perfumes, dangerous for the people, there practically, and tyuere are no gummanoidov also sooner anything that... Therefore it is possible to live on Venus and to soar in the clouds, on the dirigibles... A kind of the flying island in the clouds. Although the there sulfuric clouds can rapidly destroy any airship envelope, except as of polyfluoroethylene resin... Moreover, it is necessary to master the primitive production of glass-plastic or sheet metal skin for the dirigible... At the worst we will live in the space station, which flies around Venus... There to much safer live in the space station than near the Earth, or Mars, since the osoboopasnye super-power cosmic radiations there apparently do not fly so far, and they will be basted by solar wind... But for the protection from such emissions are necessary ten it is meter concrete or water and other materials... From the solar wind and the emission to be protected not difficult, is sufficient layer of water to the floor of meter by thickness, which is completely actual, and here ten m - this is unreal... Then on Mars the strong induced radiation, including neutron, from which it is difficult to be protected, and even it is deep under the surface... Venus can be revived! For this it is necessary to remove carbon dioxide on it! What methods to eat for this? The most terrible method - to explode in the upper air super-power thermonuclear bombs on tritium and deuterium, or other components, which will reject the part of carbonic acid into space... The second version, to arrange in the sun super-power flash in the direction of Venus, and the flows of solar plasma will blow away the part of the atmosphere from Venus! The third version, we discard to Venus comet desirably from the hydrocarbons and desirably torn in the small pieces! Super-power explosion in the atmosphere occurs, and the part of the atmosphere is ejected, and the part of carbonic acid is decomposed with the formation of soot and water... When pressure and temperature not to Venus fall, then lime on its surface will begin to absorb carbonic acid and pressure will fall on that increasing. It is another matter that the deeply lying under the surface lime it will very for long absorb carbonic acid, through the thick layer of Venusian soil... One additional version - we pulverize soot either dust or poroshek in the upper air of Venus on the day side, and there is formed the effect of nuclear winter, the atmosphere will be cooled, and the absorption of carbonic acid by lime will begin, and will occur the chain reaction of cooling Venus... this the simplest and most real version... One additional version - to create dust cloud, or the bits of paper or film in orbit around Venus. It will create strong shadow on Venus, and temperature there sharply will fall, and the chain reaction of a temperature drop and pressure on Venus will occur! Either are derived certain unicellular bubble algae for the life in the atmosphere of Venus, they will begin to connect there carbonic acid, and to precipitate carbon, and they will sooner or later or destroy the hot atmosphere... So that Venus is completely possible to revive... The different version - settling on mercury. Although it is extremely hot, at the pole there acceptable temperatures... Furthermore, it seems turned by one side to the sun, then in the region of the boundary of day and night also of condition must be acceptable... Furthermore this planet is also sterile, and is not apparently dangerous for the people... At the worst it is possible to fly into the system of Jupiter, or Saturn, although there terrible refrigerator, and there is no guarantee whatever, that there no one lives... However, before finally flying where or, it is necessary apparently it takes a long time to dangle near the Earth, and to study from the super-power telescope and the probes those planets, which us most of all interest...
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my site - http://kbkorolev.narod.ru/
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My proposal is togethe fly to Mars and Moon
Whot is your?
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Is not really interesting joint international flight to Mars? It is completely real, if we send minimum expedition, and if we use cheap rockets, and can manage cheaper than million. There are those desiring to participate and or to fly?
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