Fly to Mars

serj · 2006-11-07 08:47:02

Enthusiasts are certainly powerless, but if quite minimum financing is succeeded in drawing, then immediately it is possible to connect any professionals, so that the matter in the finances, concerning them is extremely complicated but is completely decided... Furthermore terrible problem in time... I cannot thus far go into details, but the fact is that the situation in the world and can so strongly and as to conveniently change at any moment, that any flights into space automatically will cease, it is therefore necessary to act, thus far still there is for this possibility, at any moment it can disappear...

dicktice · 2006-11-07 10:46:09

serj: Your written English is hard to understand, but the gist of what you convey is clear--that adventurering in space rather than colonizing is the only possible motivation for space travel, if we are to get away from Earth while we still can, because conditions which are right now, may change unexpectedly to make space travel impossible politically and economically at any time. If that is your meaning, what would you like to see us Earthlings do to make it happen before it is too late?

serj · 2006-11-08 03:50:45

Poor transfer - automatic because....
In order to have time to leave into space before the unforeseen events, we must rapidly gather finances, and neglect cheap rockets with entire necessary load. But also we must have time to build base on the Earth in the almost inaccessible place so that from it it would be possible to derive small loads........

I am in the severe meditation... Indeed were right opponents, colony indeed small it was unpractical, and he will survive hardly... But to the large of money to us to gather and will not give sooner anything! But besides indeed that, to bear there in space and women, animals, podi you know, and will be able? Sooner anything morons will be born out of the Earth!... But there is no output another nevertheless, they locked us into the angle into the hopeless long ago! And to make nothing to us it will remain and nevertheless! Is output only one - colony and base to construct on the Earth, but to construct so that b nothing it destroy could! With the plant to construct for us it it is necessary indeed! And to derive rockets for us it is necessary and from there indeed, but otherwise large colony to us not to gather! It is necessary to be taken some pains thoroughly by all, and otherwise will remain we all on the beans not with which! Last good days depart here, will know how we all to have time everything to do - very and a large question of!?........

ANCIENT COLONIZATION OF MARS
Sooner anything Mars already someone colonized, sooner anything this was the ancient civilization of the Earth... Is the tracks of colonization the monstrous valley of Mariner, which there is undoubtedly the track, left by the Martian satellite, which fell to its surface, and propakhavshchim enormous fissure on Mars. Especially as fissure is located accurately on the equator, and satellite could fall exceptionally there. But at the end of the fissure there are none it is trace from the satellite, as if it rasstayal, and actually this sooner anything there was precisely comet!!! But in that case this comet in no case itself could not fall to Mars at the equator and with that tangentially! Specially they undoubtedly planted it maximally softly for Mars, there would be otherwise large consequences! Then, comet itself could not go down to Mars as satellite, satellites very for long and slowly descend... Furthermore, on Mars too few craters, although it is located in the asteroid belt that it testifies that it they prolongedly protected from drops in the asteroids!... Comet was undoubtedly that the source of water and gas on its surface, and furthermore it additionally accelerated the rotation of Mars... So that the one who wanted to colonize Mars, he undoubtedly had to throw out comet to its surface, and the valley of Mariner to that - evidence... And this was comparatively recently, both the flows of water and river bed and ravines testify in favor of that, otherwise on Mars it would remain neither it was trace the atmosphere nor polar caps nor beds of the rivers, which simply it would carry by the duststorms, as all ancient craters were undoubtedly carried by sand... And on the Earth in the deepest layers of species find the artifacts of every kind that it attests to the fact that the Martian colonists attended the Earth, or on the Earth there were super-ancient civilizations, possibly even from the reasonable dinosaurs...

serj · 2006-11-09 07:37:52

People as if nothing understood, I proved that the Martians actually existed!!! And completely possibly there exist and until now, and flight to Mars this in the essence either encounter with them or their search is trace, and if artifacts are found, then on the Earth it price not it will be!!! From other side, together with the Martians to us possible not to get along...

dicktice · 2006-11-09 12:38:39

serj: Forgive me if I say your posts resemble somewhat the dialogue "spoken" by the character Yoda, in Star Wars. Charming, but very hard to understand precisely. Regarding your thoughts:

Time is undoubtedy short for human space travel to develop on its own, for the fun and adventure of it. When Earth orbital space becomes financially and/or militarily important, then traffic control regulation such as today's air transport security irequires will restrict activities, and designate launchings, schedules, and orbital parameters--not to mention launch sites. That is, unless as I've been suggesting, launching straight up, to rendezvous the Moon.

Regarding Mars, I'm afraid we now know too much to suppose the existence of a previous Mars Civilization. But I find the present survey going on, coordinating the two rovers and the polar orbiting high-resolution mapper, much more interesting. And when the deep radar-scans start sending back signs of possible subsurface water resources ... that civilization may turn out to be ours!

Please keep on with your posts.

serj · 2006-11-10 08:25:53

It is desirable for the expedition to organize international space society, since the national societies by themselves are not capable of making this major project, and to collect sufficiently means! There can be it will be possible to draw to the project such organizations as energy, NASA - NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION, etc., but that the petty private traders no one is considered, for this it is necessary to arrange negotiations with these organizations, there is who it can participate in such negotiations?

According to ancient epos the Hindus there is no time had flight vehicles and much other, including ancient Egyptians even like had rockets... So that it is possible that who that of them could fly away to Mars and colonize it... But now they intensely hide from the earthlings, since they considerably anticipate them...

dicktice · 2006-11-10 10:14:00

No, I don't think your approach is feasuble in todays world: that is, an international privatly funded organization dedicated to space travel development. It was first described by Jules Verne, in his story about the canon-launched projectle to orbit the Moon and return, financed by capitalists grown rich by the American Civil War. It would have to be done secretly, to prevent governments from interfering, and that isn't possible because it would be seen as a threat to their respective national securities.
I won't encourage your idea of previous civilizations. Where are the archeological equivalent of Coke bottles? No, face it: we're all there is in the Solar System who have enough intelligence to launch ourselves from our home planet and propogate into space, to become our own aliens in time....

serj · 2006-11-13 09:17:08

International society completely can organize flight to Mars. But the matter in the fact that ancient civilization already probably colonized it, this can be and terrestrial civilization of the type of Atlantis, ancient Hindus, and even of reasonable dinosaurs... But there can be that inoplanetyane we could colonize it! In the deep earliest layers of the Earth almost everywhere find the artifacts that it sidetel'stvuyet that the reason could exist many million years ago, or it is simple to attend the Earth, however this could be Martians themselves... Therefore with the colonization of Mars are possible the enormous even insurmountable difficulties!!!

WHO THE ANCIENT COLONIZERS OF MARS?

Mars - very light planet, he cannot for long hold the atmosphere, she blows away by solar wind. Therefore the initial atmosphere and water of Mars, they were evaporated from it already billion years ago!... And Mars was always corpse, dry and lifeless! Random comet, should it fall into Mars, powerful crater and immense explosion would be formed, and comet entire would become the gigantic cloud of hot plasma, which almost all would fly away into space... The small remainders of cloud in the form of hydrogen, carbon monoxide and other simple gases, they cannot give greenhouse effect, but the vice versa powerful effect of the nuclear winter of povymorazhival all remainders from the comet! But hydrogen, nitrogen and other there gases very rapidly all were evaporated from the planet there... And it would remain almost that nothing, and either water or carbonic acid, and nothing suitable for the life there it could remain! This it proves, that by itself the atmosphere and water on Mars be formed could not! Only version, when water and gases of pairs! nikovye could fall and be preserved there, this in the case of the impact of the comet of pokasatel'noy to the surface! But this is too improbable, and only possible artificially! And this impact was actually, and it left gigantic track on Mars in the form of the huge and long cavity of the valley of Mariner! In no way otherwise water and gas on Mars fall could, they would not be preserved with the frontal impact into Mars!!! The certain ancient colonizers of Mars threw out there large comet, and it they very accurately threw out! Moreover, from the impact Mars additionally untwisted into the circle of its axis, since it sooner anything had to lose rotation as Venus, as a result of the tidal friction! Thus marsiansiye colonizers by one impact killed two hares - they untwisted planet around their axis, and created on it the atmosphere with the greenhouse climate and warm seas, lakes, rivers and rains... And Mars for a while was very comfortable for the life, but alas - not for long! Apparently then comets were discarded in parts on pole, but! the reserve of close comets ended, and then distant comets it proved to be the bringing-home of yat' disadvantageously! Then entire water and carbonic acid of povymerzali at the poles, and oxygen and so forth gases were evaporated into space... And the highly developed Martians were buried deeply into the thickness of Mars, and probably built there even cities, and they do not have the special necessity to live in living nature as on the Earth...

Evidence of the reality of Martians.
From the most essential evidence, known to me, this of the photograph of track as from the rocket on Mars. The first photo was shown the television even during the work of only successful Soviet AMS. The second photo like would make one of the present Mars rovers... Since such photographs already two, they cannot be therefore placed for doubt, and chances also drop off... So that nothing surprising, that the ancient colonists of Mars, until now, exist and can ispl'zovat' rockets! Furthermore, on Mars there are certain structures, have possible the artificial origin, this known Martian pyramids, this is the certain mask of the similarity of the person, it is worthwhile to recall the even Martian channels, which were observed in the before last century... It is possible that then the atmosphere of Mars was denser, and vegetation could exist on Mars, and water could be given along the channels... But for the pair of centuries easily it could fill up channels by sand... Furthermore Mars rovers also to prine! sli certain mysterious photographs, in particular the photograph of Martian bringing in the form of hare... But also the photograph of stone with the numbers... But from the solar battery of one Mars rover as if someone wiped dust, and it gave total power in contrast to another Mars rover... The strangenesses were also in the Soviet OF AMS, which always pursued the terrible failures in Mars and Phoebus, as if someone them purposely render inoperableed!...

serj · 2006-11-17 04:49:16

But now that?
But besides words and any chatter not audibly nothing! No one for space it to make actually nothing desires nor wants, well perhaps recently for the money of!?... Some idlers and simple spectators all around cost even they observe, as the state structures of space with the squeak they die, they attempt to hold them and by abuse they attempt to revive them! And regard one only I I attempt particular space to inspire and to derive on the light of terrestrial... And by finger indeed no one to move wants and soak although drop to me, with contempt and with the malicious joy they control my pitiful efforts, to raise enormous rocket bulky object... They hope for the uncle only indeed, for the uncle from the energy, from NASA - NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION, from Roskosmosa, and other dyad' they hope that those all themselves will make for them... But uncles those no longer are those entirely! Here there is no time enormous ambitions in the establishment were in order peace to conquer, etcetera to it space also indeed! Nuclear rocket and military ambitions held peace in the severe cam, and they moved entire earth, and mountains and seas shifted and erased for them! But now not track and it remained any ambitions in their state! As soon as petty private traders by their exorbitant ambitions are capable way space and of zastolbit', and life to breathe in they are capable into their rusty rockets!... And to fly away from the Earth they are capable on entirely! But 4 by rockets and by space it was absorbed in there even during Korolev's lifetime indeed, but it was early too here, still everything closed it everything was to the huge lock! And they there released no one too highly! And they did not release even Korolev too far. But only on the leash of their earth's orbit they let out how dogs on the guide, and they derived to take a walk slightly... They feared that on Mars on the Moon, they without the party free colony will build everything and it is not returned to them entirely!!! But that you do think, but perhaps they did not fear? Feared to the forest than of enemies they, that people who will scatter where, and therefore there they followed at sea so that not ubeg no one and not where on the launch, on the boat - anywhere, boundaries all were closed to the iron locks with the enormous fences and the frontier-guards evil and dogs enormous entire ogorozheno around indeed was and everywhere! Not from shpiyenov ogorozheno, but from its so that all would not run out, but there were the cases, that they swam away, they ran away indeed! To swim away was there even more easily, entire sea black on the oars pass, than to the fence crawl... And therefore they held space also on the lock! Locks would now remove like, but to no one already to fly, and to no one already to run, were contented all by circle, the Earth by them the house of native, and to depart from it to severe fatal space wants there no one!... In vain this indeed. The Earth was always there hell for the people! At the equator of heat strongest and most evil, the brains will melt from by it! But is further on the north, winter cold severe winter! And people ancient in the south lived indeed, and barbarians with the cudgels and in the skins stamped on northern cold and froze into death! But survived they and to cold to spite, also, in spite of, and created empire enormous and powerful they! People they held in freezing weather terrible and exhausted by cold and by hunger entirely, but survived those barbarians, from cold more cleverly they became and learned to the wisdom of every kind in order to conquer cold! And they now made and paradise almost that on the Earth, and with the heating and other, paradise almost that indeed, with the clothing by the there warm, such as and conveniently delight in there they all! They do not know even they do not think that is worth there gas only overlapping crane, and paradise hell will instantly become also for them! But at the same time electricity by it to chop off, then is entirely dark, and the dark around, and cold terrible there, it will expel them all to the south, to the enemies to surrender all them will expel entirely!... Civilization their will leave to rust and to be scattered to smithereens, and they themselves will be southern slaves there, in the earth be conveyed they will be day and night then who will survive indeed... On Mars at the equator warmer had than we in winter, only there is no air there, but this is reparable indeed. And Mars it is completely possible to make paradise and more comfortable than on the Earth possibly life will there be indeed! There someone it to Mars already comets discarded, and revived it, so why still its once not to revive completely?... Law it life exists, who suffers strongly, that he strengthens, and who is in bliss and delights in in the comfort to the skies, that he degrades, weakens indeed and dies out entire...

STARDAST.
Of people it proposed to invent the name of space colony for us, and even competition advanced, and it promised reward indeed, but almost no one responded, and they give unimportant and terrible names! Imagination they there do not have entirely, it is necessary for me itself to award, also, instead of them... But can the box of vodka propose for them as prize?... Still there sky whispered there name its: Redberds, good, but ominous it... STARRY WARS, a series ¹... similarly that on Mars they await actually us already, as sky she spoke also about this indeed... Here there is no time and someone it colonized planet Mars already!, it threw out comets to Mars, and they maximally softly planted, and therefore living it Mars long ago indeed was! But music for long there did not play by them, and were evaporated entire gas, water of povymerzla there entirely... Comets the reserve of rasstayal it then, distant comets by them is not profitable to chase to Mars by them!... And therefore they were buried deeply into the sand, they sit, and you will not see them and will not find on no account all them! And even powerful radars, they cannot also to them be opened indeed, they are sly, and antiradary exist in them! And everything in them indeed exist! To us it is too far to them! Not to us to be pulled with them there, still us they will give with all on the teeth, but that more badly can be, they can make us slaves, but can simply they will destroy, but can and they will drive away us... But is therefore similar Mars it not for us, it already someone saddled, and us sooner anything they will not release and there... As somebody said that the evil Martians there already raised all military their fleets, they led into the combat readiness in order to meet us, and in order not with which to send us back, and can entirely remove... Although, otherwise everything indeed can be, they earthlings feared and fear indeed, and not looking at the power enormous its! But it is therefore possible that also we will succeed themselves in on Mars making room them, and it can even drive off... But it can to us send by the radio to Mars signals about the war and against the Martians? But Yankee let they war themselves, also, on shatlakh of all their, and they will fly to Mars, and can even and they it will free?!... But no, so there Christ and satan they will give all Martians into the back, they will take Mars for us...

MARTIANS MET EARTHLINGS WITH BREAD
S I will pour off!!! But the earthlings of this did not note, or faster they did not want to note! Still! In them under the nose did jump certain likable air sunbeam reflection, and they did break heads - from where it could undertake, and that this for the wild beasts such strange!? That to say - the ancient earthlings were much wiser than their present abstruse descendants, and they examined any ghosts not worse than in our own saucepans! They undoubtedly would know how to meet the messenger of the masters of strange peace with the becoming means, and they would know how with it to find and to fix common language!!! Alas, ancient wise men on the earth were very long transferred without leaving a trace, and instead of them remained some yaytsegolovye abstruse scientists alone, who not the least concept have about the ghosts of every kind! But very in vain! There arrogant Soviet workers attempted by all truths and by untruths to be opened to Mars, but their its masters so did not release and derived from the system all their AMSy!!! But those persistently vomited there, in spite of the fact that the masters categorically refused to there release them... Even Korolev and that they so did not release to themselves apple tree to plant! But those, after suffering severe space wreck in their oecumenical hegemonistic claims, so anything having understood, with whom and with which they deal, very quietly tyuey okochurilis', and they broke as the soap bubble! Here state and other AMSy Martians to themselves hospitably released, and they sent to them their peaceful envoy in order to report that they have against the earthlings of no evil intentions, otherwise of them could meet entirely another ghost, much more terrible and more aggressive... It is here in what the difference of primitive civilizations and highly developed!... Primitive understand communications only in their own language and in to it similar languages, and the highly developed civilizations know how to read any messages and any communications in any sivolicheskikh and what conveniently abstruse languages, including hints... But Martians there ironed Mars rovers on the head, and even they erased from one of them pylyuku! Giving to understand that they desire to be friends with the earthlings, and even it can help them!... Stubborn kommunyak they not into what desired even to see them, but Democrats and Christians they honored by their attention, and milostlivo they allowed Zeml4nskiys to machines to be rolled on Mars and to photograph to the right and on it is left!... Moreover, according to the communications of some researchers, climate on Mars clearly began to soften, and polar caps began sharply to melt, which can attest to the fact that the Martians prepare to accept Zeml4nskiys the migrants of!!!... Although it is possible that besides ghosts, on Mars there are no material living beings already long ago, this does not mean that them not it was entirely, faster on the contrary, once is ghosts, means there was there is no time certain life and certain essences... Although podi know, can they there from the Earth we could fall, can Mars - place of reference for the terrestrial ghosts? Or they could prilitet' from the Earth and together with the Mars rovers, but on the Earth god to them forbids to show before the living people, and on Mars to forbid probably to no one... So that now it is possible to dispatch messages to Martians, and to propose to negotiate about the conditions of the stay of earthlings on Mars. Although the Martians can not go to what negotiations, but it is simple to impose on earthlings its conditions, either they can be insulated from the earthlings, but worst of all, that they can even subordinate them or parasitize on the earthlings... The idea of negotiations it is also far from of the good, since they can deceive us, or they themselves will expect that we will deceive them... So that Mars leaves for the earthlings not by the best place for the stay!!! And it becomes very doubtful. Perhaps that on it it is possible to build hothouses and fur farms..., and to also reach from it water and other substances... But to live better in space, it is further from any planets, at the large space station with artificial gravitational force, and by that by well protected from the dangers of every kind, especially from the meteorites... Or it is necessary to live inside the asteroids... A question does remain open, where to fly, and where to settle, and which of the satellites of Jupiter can be suitable for the colony, and are there no its there ghosts? However on those satellites too strong volcanic cataclysms, and they can prove to be completely not suitable for the life, but Europe slshkom is distant and it is too cold for us... Remains another Nemezida, but it must be still found, and for that it is necessary to promise large reward to astronomers... On the Moon the astronomers fixed annomal'nye the phenomena of every kind, including gigantic ghosts, according to the type of Petrozavodsk phenomenon, so that they do not there also similarly us await and they are not ready us to accept there, but even if they await, then it is not known for what purposes... So that best strategy on the mastery of space, there will be gradual and slow removal from the Earth, with the maximum maintenance of contact with the Earth, and the building of large space station - colony. And name for it already exists - It stardast...

WHY ON THE MOON THERE IS NO WATER?
But everything is very simple! On the surface the temperature in the shock wave of solar wind composes many thousands of degrees, and the hot flows of plasma instantly blow away any water vapors from the depths of planet into space... And therefore it can freeze at the south pole of the Moon of no water, plasma everything takes away!... And even in the eternal shadow of the southern craters, where the soil surface temperature must be almost lowest possible, but also there plasma podogrevayet all, and no waters to settle and freeze can!

noosfractal · 2006-11-17 18:18:56

serj, you will get a much better hearing here if you at least pretend that there are no Martians above single-celled life. Just letting you know.

serj · 2006-11-19 08:30:16

Difficult to understand...
it is not agreeable with you! Microbes there exactly there are no, perhaps that only at the large depths... But as far as Martians are concerned, someone indeed colonized already Mars, and most likely they remain there, there are for this some evidence. Can simply you they did not understand my text, because of the poor transfer? No space, and Mars to humanity is necessary and for nothing, and colony on them also the very, recently to fans and to large clever fellows this is necessary indeed, but such is extremely small, and almost that there are not!
OECUMENICAL DISGRACE
when we will arrive flying aboard the razhavykh ships, assembled of their scrap metal and on the dumps, then entire universe will laugh above us and above the Earth, which sent us for the achievement of the universe! But most of all above terrible zhlobstvom and above improbable skarednost'yu of earthlings, who was sorry for the expedition even of the broken half copeck coin...
Contemporary technology is held only in the word of honor and on Chinese trudogolizme only!!! When it ends, but it will be sufficient there it not very for long, everything will fly to chertyam... Like Soviet technology was held only from under the stick and discipline only! When to poke everything tired to people, and they gave to them freedom, everything collapsed by avalanche indeed!!! Analogous and contemporary tekhnolgiyu there expects also indeed as cosmonautics it already almost that entire it is pulled down on the eyes... We on Mars electronics almost not had, with exception perhaps that of lamp pieces... special support to genetic indzheneriyu and biotechnology, and also to life-support systems and survival, and also to rocket engineering, everything else will leave to poboku and almost entirely... From the Earth the supply must in very rapidly cease, when there technologies everyone flies to chertyam!...

dicktice · 2006-11-21 07:21:11

serj, I am afraid you have lost me. Your last few posts need clarification (perhaps professional translation) since they deal with complex matters of a controvercial nature. Otherwise, I for one find your point of view and asperations delightfully refreshing. But please do not take my/our objection/s personally. Try, if you are serious, to provide some basis for your ideas describing your basis and background authenticity for your claims. By the way, what kind of reception do you get for such exchanges of ideas and opinions in your part of the World? Over to you....

serj · 2006-11-23 06:58:33

We want to fly away now, thus far it is still possible to fly away... But being doubted, cowards I please to us not to prevent stick us in the wheels from not putting! We to risk separately and not will be indeed, but gradually everything we investigate. and gradually be moved away we will be from the Earth. and to the latter hold we will be with it connection, until everything is broken, then they then severely to all to us in the drums of our far from the mother of the Earth... CLEAR LOWER DECKS ABOARD THE SHIP! I assure you, that there is one only method into space to fly away! For this we should to very rapidly make ships and fly away from the Earth... Thus far even by way everything, and there are no obstacles and almost to fly... Thus far yet did not be late we and to fly away, as we was late "energy" and by the n-th to take for the flight to us for Mars... Now it is necessary for us cheap rockets there on hydrogen in Chinese or in the Japanese to buy... On the kerosene not fountain to fly to Mars! Already there somebody is ready to fly, but only should we still begin entire work... Who wants to fly, so be connected to us without the delay! And will extremely much be to us the work of any above roof, even more than Korolev had, although we will almost fly with room and board, in order to us to have time and to fly away! Thus far there oil and all possible goods did not become dearer to the sheerest and the cruelty indeed, and peacefully all thus far... But who to consider intended for long, then he ostanets it on the Earth, and let then he ask in NASA - NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION and in ROSKOSMOS he will bow to to floor indeed, who will take it for Mars and they can years through 20 and take away his that growing old and weakening into space indeed! And if you live all until that... But for free to fly away to us will not come out sooner anything, everything it is necessary for us to sell to us its, and money to obtain and where it is convenient to us! IT DEVISED 4 WHERE THE MONEY TO PROCURE! Will take with ourselves we passengers from the West of rich and spetsov, similar to Bertha rutan, similar let us take with ourselves, for hundred we lemons, and it can also as fifty in all let us take for Mars with ourselves of them to live... But can even and as pair of hundreds of kiloes-Bax also we will take spetsov of good good them from the Earth... Here here already specialists will be necessary on the Earth, but they are necessary to us and they will be extremely! super-computer with the reason artificial it will be aboard, and to Martians we will put horns, also, with it...

dicktice · 2006-11-23 18:30:19

serj: You wrote, "We want to fly away now, thus far it is still possible to fly away..."

Who do you mean by "we"? And, what is it you are afraid of on Earth that makes you want to get away in such a big hurry?

serj · 2006-11-24 07:11:42

We these are some enthusiasts of cosmonautics and missilemen from the different sites gradually we are gathered All civilizations on the Earth perished and perished and this also not exception itself will arrive barbarians and they will destroy the civilization It is difficult to understand, I please you to speak simply. In order to understand transfer is possible. I apologize myself for the jargon, when he spoke about the lemons, million so sometimes are called... The project of flight to Mars can be here revived and moved, if we find rich passengers and spetsov! Once is not obtained to gather means from the people, so it can it will come out find rich passengers...

dicktice · 2006-11-26 19:27:13

serj: I believe you are serious. Let me try to write what I think you wrote, sentence-by-sentence, and then you can correct me---

[We these are some enthusiastics cosmonautics and missilemen from the different sites gradually we are gathered] We are some enthusiastic cosmonats and missle technicians from various sites who have gathered together.

[All civilizations on the Earth perished and perished and this also not exception itself will arrive barbarians and they will destroy the civilization] Every civilization on Earth has perished historically without exception at the hands of barbarians and they will destroy our civilization as well.

[It is difficult to understand, I please you to speak simply. In order to understand transfer is possible.] It is difficult to understand you, so please write simply to make translation possible.

[I apologize myself for the jargon, when he spoke about the lemons, million so sometimes are called...] I apologize for the jargon, when I spoke about the lemons, as a million of us space enthusiasts are sometimes called.

[The project of flight to Mars can be here revived and moved, if we find rich passengers and spetsov!] The flight to Mars project can be revived and motivated here and now, if we locate enough rich passengers and spetsov! [What is that, serj?]

[Once is not obtained to gather means from the people, so it can it will come out find rich passengers...] Once it is found out that the means cannot be obtained from the people, it can still be done by locating rich paying passengers.

serj · 2006-11-27 07:03:13

It is necessary to search for different sources for financing the expedition, since thus far it is not obtained with the collection from the population, it is necessary to study the search of rich passengers and different business But why you are interested in a question about the end? If for itself, then to you this can soak, while if for its society - the this is absolutely useless anything to change, and better surely no one not to know about the terrible end... Why it is necessary urgently to be removed from the Earth? But because in the bible end for science, technology and for the Christian civilization as a whole is recorded. In particular is there given the total number of all Presidents OF THE USA their 42 in all must and be, and Bush exactly it 42 - President (although it is formal 43, actually - 42!). Although Bush can become the lifelong President, or what previous President will return, this is very highly improbable. Furthermore in dads of Roman their total number is recorded, so it is here according to those records, still must be one dad Roman. Analogously for Russia it is recorded in the bible about the present President as the latter... And many other prophecies speak analogously... Who does not believe to bible and god, the these are his personal problems, also the very for those, who do not entrust to my interpretations of bible, let he verify this on his own zadnitse and roll to himself into hell, but we want to leave at the sky and living all...

C M Edwards · 2006-11-27 08:15:39

Why it is necessary urgently to be removed from the Earth? But because in the bible end for science, technology and for the Christian civilization as a whole is recorded. In particular is there given the total number of all Presidents OF THE USA their 42 in all must and be, and Bush exactly it 42 - President (although it is formal 43, actually - 42!).

No.

The bible "records" the end, but it says we will not know when.

What you write is an idea called "premillenial dispensationalism". It claims special knowledge about the end of the world. I do not believe that is possible.

That argument is flawed.

dicktice · 2006-11-27 15:17:11

Well, I did my best to extract what meaning serj has been projecting in his convoluted posts. Now I withdraw in the name of good sense.

C M Edwards · 2006-11-27 16:38:14

Now I withdraw in the name of good sense.

OK, I will resist the urge to be a troll and start another thread to assuage my religious sensibilities. :twisted:

serj · 2006-12-05 03:45:59

ON THE DIRIGIBLE TO MARS
THE DESIGN OF THE SOLAR DIRIGIBLE
Dirigible is disk in the form of spherical segment on top, and spherical or parabolic segment from below. Upper segment is made from durable clear sheet, type of Lavsan - polyethylene terephthalate film, Soviet equivalent of Dacron, lower segment is made either from the glass-fiber-reinforced plastic or from the dural, with the specular coating inside... Lower segment - this is mirror for the concentration of solar or laser beams... The focus of mirror is situated somewhat higher than surface of upper segment in the upper specialist to the nacelle, connected by cone with airship envelope... In the nacelle are found the heating elements of heat receiver from tungsten or other high-temperature (strength) alloys. In this heat receiver hydrogen from the dirigible nagrevayetsya to 2000 - 3500 degrees and it is ejected through the nozzle outside... In this case is reached specific impulse 600 - 1000... Hydrogen in the shell is located under the internal pressure approximately 2 atm or above and it is strongly supercooled to low cryogenic temperatures... In the lower airship car is located the spacecraft, load and passengers, in the upper nacelle they are located crew, and additionally the tank of liquid oxygen. Dirigible has sizes from ten it is meter in the diameter to the kilometer and more... For Mars the size of dirigible will be about hundred it is meter in the diameter... Dirigible rises upward under the action of lift to 20 - 30 km, further are included powerful ground-based gas lasers or high-frequency radios emitters, and dirigible in the inverted state begins to slowly rise on the inclined to the heights of approximately 50 km due to the ejection of hot hydrogen from DU. Further engine is boosted, and dirigible begins to be accelerated on the inclined and also due to the lasers... At the heights of approximately hundred of km and speed into several km in s, is produced the passage from the laser heating to the solar, for which the dirigible is turned over by mirror downward... Thrust in this case sharply will fall, but it is possible to boost DU due to a certain reserve of liquid oxygen and due to the increased expenditure of hydrogen further in proportion to the acceleration of dirigible, the supply of oxygen can be decreased to the complete disconnection, and to pass to the maximum specific impulse to 1000... In this case the enormous savings of weight on leaving in orbit is reached... The order of half of launching weight of dirigible must leave in orbit... Further dirigible can either continue acceleration in the direction of Mars or remain in orbit for a while... In particular it is possible to supplement the reserves of hydrogen due to the decomposition of ammonia or organic matter and water... This dirigible is capable to drive away ship to ten of km towards Mars, and to dostich' Mars in all in the month... It is further possible to supplement gas in dirigible on Phoebus or Deimos, and due to the solar energy it is possible to zatormozit' prior to entry into the atmosphere of Mars and to sit down on Mars very safely. Dirigible without the load will be the best means of transportation on Mars.... To start from the Earth is possible without the lasers, and only due to the afterburner DU due to oxygen, but this will sharply worsen specific impulse and will increase the expenditure of mass... If what organization wishes to participate in the project, then we can conclude contract...
PROJECT Is STARRY CHILD KINDS In COSMOS...
For the space colony the generation of children in space has enormous value, but strangely that no one attempted to verify this even on animals!!! Nevertheless, a similar project is very real, since undoubtedly will be located numerous rich, which would wish to sponsor a similar project, or it can even themselves in it participate!!! Minimally this project is evaluated approximately in 20 millions uye... In space on S is started the woman - volunteer, or conjugal pair, and there are conducted all procedures, up to to the generation and other... After which descent, and a study of child on the Earth... In the case of unpleasant deviations is probable early orbit ejection... To return at the beginning
SUPER-ROCKET
Specific impulse to 600 - 800 can be obtained, also, on the conventional hydrogen missile. Burnt hydrogen is not ejected for this, but it will be given into the heat exchanger, in which nagrevayetsya hydrogen to 1500 - 2500 deg, further hydrogen will be given in DU, where additionally it nagrevayetsya by partial combustion with oxygen and it is ejected through the nozzle. Water vapor from the heat exchanger inject into the empty department of fuel tank or into the soft shell, the type of dirigible... Vapor, after injection into orbit is condensed and will come out water, which will be necessary aboard the ship for all possible needs, plus as working body for the acceleration from the orbit to Mars... The temperature of vapor there will be the order of 1000 degrees, therefore will be required either iron tank or iron shell, aluminum hardly will be maintained... Main difficulty lies in the fact that to make a light heat exchanger of enormous heat transfer, at a high pressure... Therefore the engine thrust will be limited by the power of heat exchanger... But to obtain about hundred of tons thrust is completely actual which is suitable for a rocket to 500 t of weight, but will be necessary the boosters... Furthermore, DU in the booster regime can work with the turned-off heat exchanger as usual hydrogen ZHRD - LIQUID PROPELLANT ROCKET ENGINE, instead of the booster... Furthermore, at the high speeds, it is possible to bring UI to 1000, ejecting from DU only pure hydrogen, but thrust will be below, and then heat exchanger must work to 3000 and more than thousand degrees... As the accelerator possible to use the modernized rocket of external combustion, due to what UI it will increase substantially... Liquid hydrogen it is not expedient to use, in the form of its high costs, and the difficulty of obtaining and storage... It is best to use the compressed and strongly cooled hydrogen gas in the iron tank made of high-strength steel, where it is pumped and pairs... Complexity also in how to partition off hydrogen and vapor in the tank, is apparently best to use a soft shell from the iron plates with the high-temperature (oxidation-resistant) padding... The rocket with a launching weight of 500 t, will be able to place in orbit to 200 t, and to Mars - is more than hundred tons ship. To us is necessary the ship of order 1000 and more than tons. For this it suffices to neglect one rocket in three thousand tons, or about 6 rockets in 500 T. we decompose water in orbit into hydrogen and oxygen, hydrogen is used in DU, oxygen partially also can be used in DU, but specific impulse will be lowered with it, and for oxygen is necessary a specialist DU of the type of plasma...

C M Edwards · 2006-12-05 09:22:31

ON THE DIRIGIBLE TO MARS
THE DESIGN OF THE SOLAR DIRIGIBLE

Some version of the solar rocket propelled blimp you describe may be practical. There are a few groups working on vehicles of this type.

I wrote an article for the New Mars Wiki about the airship spacecraft I think is the one most likely to succeed.

A translated article about a competitor in Russia can be found in the links at the bottom of the page, and there are other groups attempting the same thing.

The JP Aerospace group does not say their airship is solar powered, but a solar rocket could be used on an orbital airship vehicle.

serj · 2006-12-06 06:38:01

But who and where deals with space dirigibles? They that have already real apparatuses?... is AKS, but in them something not serious...

ROCKET OF THE EXTERNAL COMBUSTION
There is a pipe with the heat exchangers in the walls, through which is passed hydrogen, or ammonia, and it nagrevayetsya to 1000 - 2000 deg, after which it will be given into the combustion chamber, where is added oxygen in the strong deficiency, and occurs the supplemental heat of gas to 2000 - 3000 deg, after which everything is ejected through the nozzle with specific impulse 5000 - 700... It is possible to manage without the combustion in oxygen, and pulse a little will be lowered... Gas jets behind the nozzles are ejected inside the pipe, oriented along the air flow, and inside the pipe falls the air flow, and the afterburning of mixture occurs, furthermore to the flow salts of metals, type of barium, strontium, etc., which strongly emit luminous energy, are added. As a result with the combustion of jets inside the pipe the flame will vividly shine, and heat the walls of heat exchangers and hydrogen supplied there... This engine will make it possible to dostich' the specific impulse of unattainable for ZHRD - LIQUID PROPELLANT ROCKET ENGINE, and it is good for first stage and for the accelerators with the motion in the atmosphere... this is excellent accelerator for THE SUPER-ROCKET...

C M Edwards · 2006-12-06 09:13:26

But who and where deals with space dirigibles? They that have already real apparatuses?... is AKS, but in them something not serious...

I agree: AKS is not serious. They claim so much more than they can deliver that I do not believe them. But JP Aerospace is serious about this, and is testing models and prototypes. They are making reasonable progress. General Orbital and others are also interested.

I do not know that they can do it, but I think that it is possible. This may be a good technology to explore and settle Mars.

ROCKET OF THE EXTERNAL COMBUSTION
...ejected through the nozzle with specific impulse 5000 - 700... It is possible to manage without the combustion in oxygen, and pulse a little will be lowered...

Is this number correct? Is this an exhaust velocity or a specific impulse? The numbers would be different for exhaust velocity than for specific impulse (Different measurements of the same thing).

External combustion engines (aerospike, etc.) are good for Earth, where a thick atmosphere confines the exhaust, but I don't see the advantage for outer space or for Mars. Their main advantages are their excellent performance in an atmosphere, and their ability to handle very hot thrust reactions. Hydrogen + oxygen rockets already run so hot that part of the water in their exhaust breaks down, limiting their power. And Mars' atmosphere is too thin to matter. External combustion will not improve chemical rockets very much on Mars.

The project of flight to Mars can be here revived and moved, if we find rich passengers and spetsov!

Babelfish is not working for me. What is "spetsov" in english?

Please note: Babelfish transliterates the letters from Russian to English alphabet. The correct spelling appears to be the title of this web page. Unfortunately, I cannot get a translation for that, either. :?

SpaceNut · 2006-12-06 09:54:30

You might try these translators..

http://www.rustran.com/

http://dictionary.reference.com/translate/text.html

thou spetsov does not seem to translate....

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