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#176 2002-12-06 23:41:23

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Re: New Discoveries - Extraplanetary, deep space, etc.

They seem to be accepting an oceanic view (ie, that last for a few decades or thousand years or so), they just downplay it a lot. I don't think this is really fair. And I think that ultimately, as I said before, we'll find that the oceans were there a lot longer than they suspect. I'll try not to be redundant, though. I just think this ?epiphany? is presented in a way to make their position look new and exciting, etc, and exaggerates the truths within it.


Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
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The amount of solar radiation reaching the surface of the earth totals some 3.9 million exajoules a year.

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#177 2002-12-14 15:04:04

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Re: New Discoveries - Extraplanetary, deep space, etc.

*News of our Sun and solar winds:

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0209/01sun/

--Cindy


We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#178 2002-12-14 16:45:16

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My question about this study is,

If they say that these impacts were enough to cover the whole world in enough superheated rock to outgas enough water to carve all those features episodically, Why is only the Northern hemisphere flat and smooth and what is the chronology between features, and how did they determine this...

-Matt


"...all matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration.  We are all one consiousness experiencing itself subjectively.  There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves."  -Bill Hicks

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#179 2002-12-17 10:55:31

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Re: New Discoveries - Extraplanetary, deep space, etc.

*Night and Day in Melas Chasma on Mars:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap021216.html

*A lovely photo of a dream come true:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap021212.html

--Cindy


We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#180 2002-12-17 15:36:05

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Re: New Discoveries - Extraplanetary, deep space, etc.

That last photo looks a bit dodgy, check the ground, it looks very much like wet sand from a beach.

I'm not one of those stupid skeptics that say we never put a dude on the moon, but that ground looks a bit non-moon-like, and there arn't even any craters. It might just be a non-cratered part of the moon but it looks a bit strange.


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#181 2002-12-17 23:37:27

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*On Comet [...on Cupid, on Prancer, and Vixen...]:

* * * SKY & TELESCOPE's SKYWATCHER'S BULLETIN - December 17, 2002 * **

A COMET FOR CHRISTMAS

Early on the morning of December 14th, Japanese amateur Tetuo Kudo was
scanning the constellation Hercules with his giant 20 x 120 binoculars
and
discovered a fuzzy 9th-magnitude glow moving slowly east-southeast. The
comet (named Kudo-Fujikawa) is currently about 7th magnitude, making it
a
viable binocular object for amateurs. It could be 6th magnitude or
brighter by the year's end.

> http://SkyandTelescope.com/news/current … _816_1.asp


We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

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#182 2002-12-19 07:25:12

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ecrasez_I_infame,

You're probably going to bash me over the head for asking this tongue , but have you seen this guy on the HSN who sells the telescopes called Galileo?  If you have, what is your opinion?  I have a couple of copies of Orion telescopes catalogs but I don't know if those are good ones or not.  Are there any sites out there that you can compare telescopes?  Thanks.


One day...we will get to Mars and the rest of the galaxy!!  Hopefully it will be by Nuclear power!!!

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#183 2002-12-19 08:10:23

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ecrasez_I_infame,

You're probably going to bash me over the head for asking this tongue , but have you seen this guy on the HSN who sells the telescopes called Galileo?  If you have, what is your opinion?  I have a couple of copies of Orion telescopes catalogs but I don't know if those are good ones or not.  Are there any sites out there that you can compare telescopes?  Thanks.

*I'm afraid the answer to both of your questions is "no."  I've not yet come across a web site which provides comparison of telescopes, their companies, and etc.  Sorry. 

I can recommend Edmund Scientific as a company to do business with.  As telescopes go, Celestron and Meade are top of the line.

Check out http://www.skyandtelescope.com]www.skyandtelescope.com, or pick up one of their magazines.  There are many options there; in fact, perhaps someone has recenty written an article for publication which compares scopes. 

Hope this helps.  smile

--Cindy


We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#184 2002-12-19 22:02:16

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*Here's the kind of news I like to read about:

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34 … ...ce_news

--Cindy


We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#185 2002-12-19 22:15:23

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Mmm, me too. I saw Gattaca recently, and it's about this guy who basically wants to go into space. His destination finally becomes Titan. One of the most memorable momments in the movie, is a bit where he blows smoke into a glass of wine, to show his friend what Titan is like.


Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
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#186 2002-12-21 13:29:02

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Mmm, me too. I saw Gattaca recently, and it's about this guy who basically wants to go into space. His destination finally becomes Titan. One of the most memorable momments in the movie, is a bit where he blows smoke into a glass of wine, to show his friend what Titan is like.

*I saw that movie shortly after it came out...with Ethan Hawke and Uma Thurman, right?  I don't remember that particular scene.  The report says the surface temperature of Titan is -297 F.  ::Brrrrrr!!::  I wonder how clouds are even able to form and dissipate...you'd think everything would just be frozen absolutely solid.  Hmmmmm.

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/imag … images.cfm

--Cindy


We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#187 2002-12-24 13:42:51

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We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#188 2003-01-06 12:26:49

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*Good article; check out the small paragraph wherein is given the reason for the "robotic suicide." 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar … 3Jan3.html

--Cindy


We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

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#189 2003-01-06 16:25:21

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Galileo is one of those missions I keep forgetting about. I'm going to have to read up about the findings Galileo brought to us.


Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
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The amount of solar radiation reaching the surface of the earth totals some 3.9 million exajoules a year.

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#190 2003-01-07 21:37:06

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Another planet has been found. smile

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....et_ever

Iron rain! Sounds like something out of science fiction. Lovely.


Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
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The amount of solar radiation reaching the surface of the earth totals some 3.9 million exajoules a year.

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#191 2003-01-08 12:46:21

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We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#192 2003-01-08 12:49:45

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Another planet has been found. smile

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....et_ever

Iron rain! Sounds like something out of science fiction. Lovely.

*Good grief!!  sad  Get out the 4-inch-thick steel umbrellas!!

Great article!  Yay...another planet found!  big_smile

--Cindy


We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

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#193 2003-01-08 18:19:18

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Anyone seen this?
Germans get ready to go to Mars

The part I like best is "future manned Mars mission expected around 2014-15."


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#194 2003-01-08 20:58:34

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how does that simulate a mars trip?  why do our mars travellers have to be immobile?  thats kind of stupid.

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#195 2003-01-08 21:32:58

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soph, gravity exerts very little stress on muscle tissue, so I assume that's what they're going for. Not every day you can send people up into space to test such effects.


Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
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The amount of solar radiation reaching the surface of the earth totals some 3.9 million exajoules a year.

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#196 2003-01-09 07:41:57

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Re: New Discoveries - Extraplanetary, deep space, etc.

soph, gravity exerts very little stress on muscle tissue, so I assume that's what they're going for. Not every day you can send people up into space to test such effects.

*And speaking of ye olde gravity:

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl....ce_news

--Cindy


We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

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#197 2003-01-09 14:07:53

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i saw  big_smile

cool, now theoretically, warping gravity could allow us to go really really fast!

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#198 2003-01-09 15:21:34

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i saw  big_smile

cool, now theoretically, warping gravity could allow us to go really really fast!

*Mind boggling for sure  smile

The following is an article linked to the previous one I'd posted.  It's a few years old, but very interesting (and short and concise):

http://www.nature.com/nsu/010705/010705-8.html

And another [physics related...and even I understand this one...mostly!]

http://www.nature.com/nsu/030106/030106-6.html

--Cindy


We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#199 2003-01-14 15:01:54

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*Whoa Nellie! 

http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=....ce_News

I want to name one!  smile

--Cindy


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--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#200 2003-01-16 11:32:33

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*A handful of articles relating to Mars exploration plans; one or two may have been discussed previously in various threads:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=....oration

--Cindy


We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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