New Russian Spacecraft

cIclops · 2006-01-14 08:59:26

It's all a question of money and cred. The Russians used to have a lot of cred but years of near zero civil space budgets have decimated their capacity to do much other than build launchers. EUrope has the money but is reluctant to give it to ESA without more control of their independent organization. ESA wants a manned capability and so does EUrope, and Russia wants the money ... so a deal is possible, but there again EUropean engineers want control of the design process ... and so it goes on.

EuroLauncher · 2006-03-05 14:39:13

discussion of Kliper
http://www.spacefellowship.com/Forum/vi … php?t=1551
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=38346
http://www.emoint.wbr.ru/forumall.php?i … 0&frmId=12

photos of Russia's new spacecraft

http://www.rol.ru/news/misc/spacenews/05/09/28_008.htm
http://www.tpprf.ru/ru/main/show/expo/foto/f14/
http://armsshow.itar-tass.com/?page=art … 624&cid=25
( Russian websites )

Yang Liwei Rocket · 2006-03-22 07:48:00

he head of the European Space Agency (ESA) will come to Russia in April to discuss the agency's participation in a project to build a re-usable space craft, the head of Russia's space agency said Tuesday.
http://en.rian.ru/world/20060307/43984411.html
Anatoly Perminov said leading space agencies from around the globe discussed the issue of participation in the Clipper spacecraft project at a meeting in Florida on March 2.

publiusr · 2006-03-23 15:43:13

Updated Russian Craft--with pictures
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums … 36&posts=7

Breakthroughs
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/GSP/SEM0L6OVGJE_0.html
New batteries:
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2006/batteries-0208.html

Space Business Space Elevator
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business … /index.htm

Mars_B4_Moon · 2006-03-25 19:11:58

Updated Russian Craft--with pictures
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums … 36&posts=7
Breakthroughs
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/GSP/SEM0L6OVGJE_0.html
New batteries:
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2006/batteries-0208.html
Space Business Space Elevator
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business … /index.htm

very nice 8)

Yang Liwei Rocket · 2006-03-29 17:18:00

MANNED SPACEFLIGHT
http://www.energia.ru/english/energia/n … 02-01.html

Mars_B4_Moon · 2006-03-29 17:57:41

It's all a question of money and cred. The Russians used to have a lot of cred but years of near zero civil space budgets have decimated their capacity to do much other than build launchers. EUrope has the money but is reluctant to give it to ESA without more control of their independent organization. ESA wants a manned capability and so does EUrope, and Russia wants the money ... so a deal is possible, but there again EUropean engineers want control of the design process ... and so it goes on.

good point, this whole thing could be going around in circles for a while

EuroLauncher · 2006-08-31 22:43:06

and more here

Russia Plans To Launch First Flight To The Moon In 2011-2012
http://www.moondaily.com/

Russia plans to conduct its first manned flight around the Moon in 2011-2012, the president of a leading spacecraft company said Thursday.
"The Energia Rocket and Space Corporation plans to explore the Moon in three stages: a Soyuz spacecraft flight to the Moon, the construction of a permanent base on the Moon (from 2010 to 2025), and the industrial exploration of space around the Earth's satellite," Nikolai Sevastyanov said at the 5th Airspace Congress in the Russian capital.

GCNRevenger · 2006-09-01 19:01:38

[i]Around[i] the Moon? BFD

RedStreak · 2006-09-02 01:18:34

Around the Moon? BFD

Yes and no BFD GCNR...

We sailed around the Moon with Apollo back in the 1970s...

...and it hasn't been since the 1970s since anything manned has flown around the moon.

Clemintine, Lunar Proscpector, and Smart-1 are also the only probes that have visited directly to the Moon. That's barely a handful of even unmanned craft.

Problem is we assume "hey we done it, we can do it again" when, as we are now we genuinely can't do it again! Orion and Ares will take some time to develop, but until then the USA as far as manned spaceflight is concerned is just as limited to LEO as any other space-faring nation.

We can not let overconfidence blind us. Apollo engineers are no longer avilable; they are either retired or pushing up daises. The only actual piece of heiretage left from Apollo is the J2-X engine alone, otherwise just pay a visit to Houston and Kennedy and the only hardware are museum pieces rusting in the rain. Apollo is as much in the history books as are the Colleseum and the Pyramids.

Given this dose of reality, Russia actually does stand a chance of launching something capable of orbiting Luna as well as a simple return-to-Earth-loop. Landing might be another matter but even with their smaller budget they aren't slacking. We just have to make sure NASA and the VSE doesn't.

publiusr · 2006-10-27 12:44:59

That is assuming Europe builds them a hydrogen upper stage for R-7 and slits their Ariane 5 throats.

The Russians have used their pretrdollars to try to muscle in EADS. It might actually be cheaper to build Ariane M than to retool for a kero-based Ariane replacement in the Angara range with all the dependancy that will entail.

Indigenous HLLV as the cheaper option.

RedStreak · 2006-10-27 15:55:15

You're forgetting these are the makers of Energia and Buran - if their governement really wanted to get devoted to space they would be orbiting the moon without ESA's blessing and currently exploring options for a lunar lander.

Austin Stanley · 2006-10-28 00:00:49

Also the same engineers that built the ill-fated N1 in their last (subsiquently covered up) attempt to go to the moon.

I don't doubt that Russian engineering could indeed launch a new Apollo program. But they are not apparently willing to pay the costs that would require. Or maybe their economy cannot support it. They could probably put a man around the moon with some effort, but and actualy landing is out of the question presently.

Another problem the face is that they lack the US's hard one expertise in all cryogenic engines. The Russians are VERY good with K/LOX engines, but H/LOX is another story.

SpaceNut · 2006-12-20 21:12:04

Energia Approves Kliper Plans For 2007

RSC ENERGIA: CONCEPT OF RUSSIAN MANNED SPACE NAVIGATION DEVELOPMENT

SpaceNut · 2016-05-09 21:23:55

bump
somethings to fix....

SpaceNut · 2017-12-04 20:50:40

bump artifacts

Found only the first page needed fixing....

valleydesigncorp · 2017-12-08 08:28:15

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-07-14 07:28:56

A Nuke powered Space-Tug and a Nuclear Reactor?

Russian Space Agency proposes creation of a nuclear power plant for a future Russian Mars base
https://thefrontierpost.com/russian-spa … mars-base/
say the power plant can be delivered to the Red Planet using the Zeus

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-10-07 18:22:05

New but not so new...

Enhanced Proton M Launch System – New Features
https://spacenews.com/enhanced-proton-m … -features/

kbd512 · 2021-10-07 20:42:41

Mars_B4_Moon,

Although the Proton series of rockets don't have the greatest track record for successful flights, they do have a very lengthy service history. Whether or not the new features are an actual improvement remains to be seen, but the rocket itself is slightly more expensive than a Falcon 9 for about the same lift capability. I don't think Proton is a man-rated launch vehicle, though, whereas Falcon 9 is. Proton is definitely much larger and heavier than Falcon 9, not reusable, and uses highly toxic hypergolic propellants.

SpaceNut · 2021-10-08 20:33:12

The last major attempt on something new was the Buran and we know how that ended as they have gone back to there standard work horses making small changes to them over time.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-01-05 08:16:28

Russia launches heavy-lift Angara rocket on 3rd test flight, but misses intended orbit: reports

https://www.space.com/russia-angara-a5- … al-failure

wikipedia.org/wiki/Angara_(rocket_family)

Angara A5 is rated 5,400 kg to GTO

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-08-09 09:02:04

Un-manned

Of course they mean Far-side not Darkside away from Earth's view or exposure to Earth's radio frequencies

'Moscow's mission to the dark side of the Moon. Russia's unmanned lunar lander is aiming to touch down at the Moon's south pole'
https://www.euronews.com/2023/08/08/mos … f-the-moon

Japan Expands Sanctions On Russia Over Ukraine Invasion
https://www.barrons.com/news/japan-expa … n-5f7275d5

Soviet era, Russian manned lunar lander. Study 1973. Lunar lander for the Vulkan surface base. As in the original LK lunar lander, this would be taken to near zero velocity near the lunar surface by the Vulkan Block V 'lunar crasher' rocket stage.
http://www.astronautix.com/l/lek.html

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