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#1 2006-01-03 07:58:35

karov
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Re: "Atomic lasers" for mass transport of matter across SolSys

Google for "atomic lasers" - coherent waves of bose-einstein condensed matter. Suitable for H, Al, etc. transport in very tight, hyperlow balistic dispersion beams with over the escape velocity speeds.

Mars needs nitrogen - atomic or molecular "laseering" from Titan
Venus needs hydrogen - atomlase it from the Sun or from the Outer system
Moon needs carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen - lase it with them...

On the ultracold mater beams - look in www.iase.cc

The atomic lasers CAN work in reciprocating manner hence not only the usefull mater in the SolSys will be redistributed, but also, goods, cargo, and NET GAIN of energy and momentum...

The www.paulbirch.net  `s MOmentum exchange LOop NETwork ( MOLONET ) it seems is tought out as to use atomic lasers...

Atomic lasers material deposition could be used for construction and power transmission for ultrafast constructin of interstellar distances long Pat Gunkle`s "makaroni habitats", too.

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#2 2006-01-03 12:09:00

Rxke
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Re: "Atomic lasers" for mass transport of matter across SolSys

Hm. lasers or not, interstellar or interplanetary distances seem a bit extreme, no? you still get divergence

(disclaimer: haven't googled yet)

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#3 2006-01-03 13:29:58

karov
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Re: "Atomic lasers" for mass transport of matter across SolSys

Shoulda work. In temperature range of milikelvins and launch velocity of 1 to 10 km/s , it is calculated dispersion of only 1 miliradian... I.e. on 100 km distance ( radius, or radian width) the the spot of divergence would be only 100 meters... On 1000 000 km , it would be only 1000 km. Imagine you want to send with ~0% of loss certain amount of hydrogen to Venus. With low class "atoim laser" ( 10 km/s - milikelvins) , almost 100% of the H atoms or H2 molecules will NOT miss the ~10 000 wide planet, if fired from distance equal or less than 100 MILLIONS of kilometers...
A emision velocity of 100 km/s , and temperature lowered to MICROkelvins, improves the accuracy with many orders of magnitude... 100 km/s iis more than the escape velocity of Jupiter. A system utilizing the planetary rotation, could fire directly "from surface"...

What better than pipeline without pipes?

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#4 2006-01-03 14:38:24

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Re: "Atomic lasers" for mass transport of matter across SolSys

Yup we talked about this months ago though I am sure it has been much longer with respect to a syphoning tube and capture of heated upper atmospheric gasses.

Terraforming Venus - methods anyone? page 15

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#5 2006-01-04 04:32:45

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Re: "Atomic lasers" for mass transport of matter across SolSys

Yes, we discussed xtensivelly all possible methods of CO2 sequesterization for Venus, the ways to cool it down, whether or not to , and how to spin it, etc. ( indeed in this forum barely there are themes out of previous discussion), BUT the "atom laser" matter beam or "mass-streem" approach I think is exposed here for first time...

Reciprocating transport network is also suitable to export the excessive chemicals out of Venus, using the orbital energy of the imported stuff.

The specific orbital enrgy of any material infalling to Venus from whatever orbit is much higher than both the average kinethic energy of the molecules in the Venusian atmosphere at ~ 500 degrees centigrade, as well as bigger than the chemical bonding  of these molecules.

Using launched and captured matter beams from the outer solar system, we have all the necessary energy to rearrange, and export the volatiles. A kilo of hydrogen moving with >10 km/s terminal velocity at the mouth of the catcher, is able to export moree than a kilo of CO2, carbon or whatever...

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