How it is

srmeaney · 2005-10-22 19:31:27

With the US return to the Moon in 2018, and China deciding to build its own space station in the next five years and be on the Moon in 2015, the opportunity for Space Action is high. US Government puts the return to the Moon for four crew at 100 billion per mission.

For those wishing to have some Mars Colonization Action, the cost of mars Colonization is now 20 billion dollars per person per year until terraform is achieved. For a habitat lander the Size of a space shuttle, with a year of food and supplies. ONE WAY.

The Space Commonwealth

So the Space Commonwealth is recognised as having sole sovereignty over all of space and the Planets beyond earth. A sovereign State of people who must give up citizenship in their old nations.

1. Commonwealth Space Transit Service
The free movement of two hundred thousand people and corporate infrastructure per year between the earth and the moon for a window of two hundred years. Includes Astronaut training and licencing.

cost: 1 million billion.

2.Lunar Colony
Needed as an Emergency Support colony, a city on the Moon capable of housing and supporting ten million people. two million citizens of the Space Commonwealth and eight million tourists in ten-year transit arcs. The purpose of this is to establish a safe offworld population in the event of Asteriod collision with Earth. Casinos, Tourism, Travel, Exploration. This is as far as Non-Commonwealth Citizens will ever go. Vast underground structures, limited domes (mainly for agriculture), a few space ports for import/export of goods, equipment, people, a mining colony. Construction window: 30 years.

Cost: 200 million billion dollars.

3. Mars Colony
Because of the staggering cost of Going to Space, It is beyond the ability of any earth nation or collective of Earth nations to achieve. Thus to Colonize Mars to its potential Capacity of one billion people supported by a terraformed world, it will cost 20 billion-billion dollars. This is the real value of a Terraformed Mars. It is a value measured in its capacity to support life.
That requires the movement of two hundred thousand people per Mars Launch window. 4 million-billion per Mars year in one direction travel providing the Colonist with a year of food to support agricultural tool up on a Terraformed world.
Because there must be room for growth, the actual send populace for Mars is ten million people, with substantial expenditure on terraform lead-in technologies. Terraform achieved in a hundred years by ten million citizens of Space Commonwealth. No further population growth beyond this possible population level. A 100 year window to achieve the Colonization.

Cost will not exceed its value: 20 billion-billion dollars.

To achieve the three goals, the Space Commonwealth Contracts out colonization against the opportunities and benifits to be had from it. Predominantly this is the capacity of planets other than Earth to support life independently of Earth. The idea is not to exceed the cost of 1 billion billion dollars. This provides for wealth that can be directed into other growth projects in the future that will result in interstellar expansion.

For the Space Commonwealth to achieve in the next two hundred years what all the nations of the earth could not even the Super Powers will need to be thrown back into the writhing hell that earth will become.
For the population limit and Nationality Quota System which will restrict Commonwealth citizens recruited from the USA (with its 250 million citizens) to 1/24th of the twelve million possible citizens of the Space Commonwealth (500,000 people). China and India (with their billion plus populations) would both have 1/6th of the potential population recruitment pool (2,000,000 each).

It would be a brutal and restrictive system on those who think that wealth will get them off world when preference will be given to those who contribute real work as a resource. This will be so for even the Tourist travelers on ten year visas to the Moon.

Pricing a Private Space Station

The ISS gone nuts Colony: So the Followers of Alan (The Shepard) have decided to build a space station and make a bid for the Asteroid Belt. With a population of a hundred and the need for population growth over the hundred years of Asteroid mining and religious isolation.

It will cost two hundred billion per person requiring the equivelent of ten space shuttles (or interlocking modules the size of a space shuttle) per colonist to produce food, energy, employ labor, and provide zero G beehives, fish farms, ect, in total self sufficiency.

cost: $20 thousand-billion dollars.

The Babylon Five type colony: 1,000,000,000 tonnes of metal in structural components over a heavy construction period of 100 years. Population support 1 million people in Submarine crew type living conditions. Vast agriculture commitments.

Cost: $2 billion-billion dollars (about the same cost as ten million on the moon, ten million on Mars, and a high population transit service between earth and moon for the Space Commonwealth)

Dook · 2005-10-22 20:00:33

Everything in your post is either wrong, insane, or a combination of the two.

GCNRevenger · 2005-10-22 20:40:41

Everything in your post is either wrong, insane, or a combination of the two.

I think that I can safely agree with Dook on this one for once.

Martian Republic · 2005-10-22 23:01:51

Everything in your post is either wrong, insane, or a combination of the two.
I think that I can safely agree with Dook on this one for once.

Yes, I will make it a three way agreement on this.

He back!

Larry,

reddragon · 2005-10-24 17:29:27

GCNRevenger wrote:
Dook wrote:
Everything in your post is either wrong, insane, or a combination of the two.

I think that I can safely agree with Dook on this one for once.

Yes, I will make it a three way agreement on this.

I'm afraid I must agree with these three. I particularly didn't like the phrase "For a habitat lander the Size of a space shuttle, with a year of food and supplies. ONE WAY. " One way and only a year of food and supplies! What then? Let them die? That's not a good way to colonize a planet in my opinion. And $20 billion just to go there and die a year later. I don't think people will be lining up to join.

SpaceNut · 2005-10-24 20:08:49

I agree with most of this part of the post but only up to the point

I particularly didn't like the phrase "For a habitat lander the Size of a space shuttle, with a year of food and supplies.

but I disagree with this being the only option

ONE WAY. " One way and only a year of food and supplies! What then? Let them die? That's not a good way to colonize a planet in my opinion. And $20 billion just to go there and die a year later

It is apparant that the creativity and ones preparedness to learn how to survive by the use of insitu resources and from what you have brought makes it not a suicide or life ending in a years period of time. These would stretch this out for a much longer period of time.

There is little or no point to setup such a condition except for the purpose of carrying out ones own death sentence.

srmeaney · 2005-10-25 06:29:21

Unfortunately they never read the whole thing.

Its 20 billion per person per year. That means a big shuttle sized resupply lander once a year for each individual on the planet. At twenty billion per person. Still one way. But the residence got bigger.

idiom · 2005-10-31 23:32:19

So if you landed five people thats 100 Billion per year just to keep them alive? Are they eating gold bars?

srmeaney · 2005-11-02 08:23:46

No. As I seem to repeat often enough, they are eating steak dinners, cereal in a bowl for breakfast with fruit juice, and all the good things that a Space commonwealth citizen would get because they alone would have a government that cares to spend on the equal wellbeing of its citizenry.
As a consequence they would get a new habitat lander each with food for them on the assumption that there is no possibility that they can grow their own. More equipment, spacesuits, medical supplies, spare parts, things to produce gaseous waste for the atmosphere while processing the available resources.

This is the worst case scenario colonization program. We are going no matter what. That is ten million people in one hundred years which is staggering in its support capacity. They wont have access to earth nations and earth nations wont have access to them. This is for strategic reasons. Mainly so that no citizen on Mars can be coerced into Treason. The nations of this earth are dead ends.

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