We have been thinking wrong.

Stormrage · 2005-07-25 11:55:39

The problem we have with space travel is how to move heavy objects. Why don't we just lower the mass of the object.

If the LHC at CERN can create the Higgs Boson. We can affect the "force" transfer of a Higgs field. It would be possible to remove the inertia of an object. This would make it possible to achive very high accelaration with very little force.

C M Edwards · 2005-07-25 12:43:52

Sounds like a good idea. You get right to work on that, Stormrage.

clark · 2005-07-25 13:02:08

...I don't believe you appreciate the gravity of the matter...

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srmeaney · 2005-07-26 04:17:09

If the LHC at CERN can create the Higgs Boson. We can affect the "force" transfer of a Higgs field. It would be possible to remove the inertia of an object. This would make it possible to achive very high accelaration with very little force.

I wouldnt recommend it. If you do that to people, they are likely to go insane. Side effects could be very bad. Not in the slightest bit healthy. The last thing you want is a bunch of realy smart people going insane while they are incharge of a "bomb".

C M Edwards · 2005-07-26 05:15:52

If the LHC at CERN can create the Higgs Boson. We can affect the "force" transfer of a Higgs field. It would be possible to remove the inertia of an object. This would make it possible to achive very high accelaration with very little force.

Seriously, even though the subject is still only theoretical, there is very little reason to suppose that this isn't a true statement. HOWEVER...

It's a long, long way from being able to do this with a few subatomic particles and being able to do it with an entire spacecraft.

You may wish to hold off on christening your starship until CERN yields some hard data on what's required to scale up this effect.

Stormrage · 2005-07-26 07:06:13

I wouldnt recommend it. If you do that to people, they are likely to go insane. Side effects could be very bad. Not in the slightest bit healthy. The last thing you want is a bunch of realy smart people going insane while they are incharge of a "bomb".

Wouldn't it be still normal for then. Like going near a black hole.The people who are affected won't know the diffrence but the ones out side will.

If the LHC at CERN can create the Higgs Boson. We can affect the "force" transfer of a Higgs field. It would be possible to remove the inertia of an object. This would make it possible to achive very high accelaration with very little force.
Seriously, even though the subject is still only theoretical, there is very little reason to suppose that this isn't a true statement. HOWEVER...
It's a long, long way from being able to do this with a few subatomic particles and being able to do it with an entire spacecraft.
You may wish to hold off on christening your starship until CERN yields some hard data on what's required to scale up this effect.

Well we are going to have to wait tills 2007 for the LHC to be built.
I hate waiting a long time for something, I'm so impatient.

srmeaney · 2005-07-26 18:12:07

Wouldn't it be still normal for then. Like going near a black hole.The people who are affected won't know the diffrence but the ones out side will.

Not if they are already contaminated with the effects of one-life has adapted to existance in a nasty little universe. Has it adapted to the deformity of spacetime and simply gone on as usual?

If you mess with the field, We are on that field at the edge of the wave...conceivably. If we distort the field of an object, it should fall away from the edge of the wave, we are the bubble membrane. Something that is off the edge, is not even in the same reality as us. How do we know it exists if it has disapeared from "our Universe"?

If it no longer exists in our universe, then there is a new point of uncertainty, doesnt exist, didnt happen, even though we created it. We would be contaminated by the uncertanty of its existance... If that doesnt drive you insane, Imagine being wiped from existance.

There will be side effects and they will be very bad.

Shaun Barrett · 2005-07-31 00:10:58

-- As I understand it, there are different ways of looking at how a Higgs Boson imparts mass to an object. I believe one way is to imagine a universal sea of these strange particles which interact with matter when you try to accelerate it - perhaps somewhat like glue (not a great analogy in many ways, I'm sure, but just for illustrative purposes).
-- The more you try to accelerate the object, the more the Higgs Bosons 'drag' on it, which might account for the increase in mass when you accelerate an object to relativistic speeds (?).

-- But there are particles of matter which barely interact with other matter at all and which have virtually no mass, which indicates they hardly interact with Higgs Bosons either. I'm talking about neutrinos, of course.
-- Once we understand Higgs Bosons and how they interact with matter [presumably via messenger particles, as all other interactions are mediated (?)], perhaps we will be able to understand how neutrinos largely avoid such interaction. Thence, we may be able to emulate the neutrino and somehow 'switch off' the mechanism whereby the Higgs Boson 'drags' on matter.

-- If so, we may be able to accelerate a spaceship and perform presently inconceivable manoeuvres with the barest minimum of force. A lot like the reported capabilities of UFOs, in fact ....
Hmmm! :idea:

idiom · 2005-07-31 01:36:25

I wouldnt recommend it. If you do that to people, they are likely to go insane. Side effects could be very bad. Not in the slightest bit healthy. The last thing you want is a bunch of realy smart people going insane while they are incharge of a "bomb".
Wouldn't it be still normal for then. Like going near a black hole.The people who are affected won't know the diffrence but the ones out side will.

Its always other people who notice you're insane. You seldom ever know.

reddragon · 2005-08-06 14:09:19

Inertia reduction certainly seems like a great way to launch spacecraft, perhaps too good to be true. Since it's still theoretical, it may come to naught. Nevertheless it's worth looking into. It would really revolutionize our world.

I wouldnt recommend it. If you do that to people, they are likely to go insane. Side effects could be very bad. Not in the slightest bit healthy. The last thing you want is a bunch of realy smart people going insane while they are incharge of a "bomb".

Can you just reduce the inertia of a craft and then put people in it?

-- As I understand it, there are different ways of looking at how a Higgs Boson imparts mass to an object. I believe one way is to imagine a universal sea of these strange particles which interact with matter when you try to accelerate it - perhaps somewhat like glue (not a great analogy in many ways, I'm sure, but just for illustrative purposes).

I'm not sure if it would be possible, but if somewhere in space there is a hole in this field, an area where the Higgs Boson is not present, or if such a thing could be created, it would make for some rather weird physics. Even if there are no holes is the density of this "sea" equal in all places? If it is not, the gravitational constant is no longer constant, and calculating the interactions of bodies in other parts of the universe becomes a whole lot harder.

This reminds me of something I once read. Supposedly a Russian scientist discovered a reduction in the weight of objects above a spinning superconductor disk. I'm not sure if this experiment was ever repeated by anyone else, though. Would a spinning superconductor have any effect on the Higgs field?

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