ITER

DonPanic · 2004-11-01 15:47:53

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Japan and France compete for the location where the http://www.iter.org/]ITER research fusion reactor is to be build.
French arguments are quite good, as detaining the highest plasma temperature record, with a top nuclear technology, and as a location in Japan would increase the costs of the reactor by heavy antisismic securities.
The french proposal of Cararache, a vast nuclear research plant, where US plutonium is actually retreated, with an attractive mediterranean climate, is supported by Europe, Russia and China, the japanese proposal is supported by USA, Japan and Korea
French government sees US support to Japan as a sanction against France for not sending troops in Irak and as a reward to Japan for sending troops.
French government seems determined to force a decision even without USA, Japan and Korea
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0 … 317,0.html

Maybe a bluff from Chirac ???

John Creighton · 2004-11-01 16:09:36

Do they really want to build the first one on a fault line? Why add that extra risk and complication?

DonPanic · 2004-11-01 18:00:23

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All rationals are in favour of a settlement in France,
-the region hasn't a high sismic activity
-no hurricanes to threaten electricity supply
-a much lower cost of life and housing prices than in Japan
-an attractive climate similar to California's one
-efficient and skilled nuclear scientists and workers in the same location

PurduesUSAFguy · 2004-11-01 18:30:08

While I am glad that the US is now signing back onto ITER I think it's an absolute tranvisty we are not developing a comprable reactor on our own. We are letting our physics comunity languish and this is a horrible mistake, we need projects like the Manhattan Project, the H-Bomb, The short lived Superconducting acccelorater to keep the national labs and DOE at the top of their game.

DonPanic · 2004-11-02 10:19:01

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I fully agree with you. Though fundamental research is open minded with lot of international exchanges and cooperations, strong funding in each country is the best guaranty that multiples theories will be studied and confronted to experiments and that original technologies will be develloped in different places.
I think that each country has his own genious, thinks different.
Some kind of brain standardisation and bureaucratisation might result from series of multinational projects.

John Creighton · 2004-11-02 10:24:16

While I am glad that the US is now signing back onto ITER I think it's an absolute tranvisty we are not developing a comprable reactor on our own. We are letting our physics comunity languish and this is a horrible mistake, we need projects like the Manhattan Project, the H-Bomb, The short lived Superconducting acccelorater to keep the national labs and DOE at the top of their game.

It is better they work together if no one country is willing to devote the necessary resources. Hmmm…..Maybe the world will team in the future to build the largest particle accelerator ever.

DonPanic · 2004-11-02 10:41:23

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USA has participation in LHC, and maybe you will be abble to run a GRID program in your PC to analyse the experiments results as I actually run Seti@home on my computer. Maybe in the future a larger particle accelerator should be built with a 200 miles diameter, and USA offers much more space than Europe.

John Creighton · 2004-11-02 10:53:53

Wow 200 miles diameter. I wonder what the lagest one is now?

DonPanic · 2004-11-03 16:14:08

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Wow 200 miles diameter. I wonder what the lagest one is now?

The CERN's LEP big ring has a 17 miles diameter. The tunnel is build partly under France and Switzerland.

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