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#26 2004-09-17 08:58:12

Martian Republic
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Re: Politics for a new manned missions. - What politicans will do it?

Even creating Nasa style jobs in every town or city still would not necessarily garner any more interest in actual space. Those that have an interest are still the only ones that would still care.

You would not be creating NASA jobs in every town or city and that would not be a very efficient way to run a space agency. What you do is offer NASA government contracts to build something for NASA. We are in competition with another company to produce this particular product. If the contract is big enough, you will get local city or even state government beating on it so they can get the new jobs that will be created in there area. This by itself won't do it for us, but it has an impact on the general public in the direction we want to go.

Larry,

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#27 2004-09-17 10:45:48

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Re: Politics for a new manned missions. - What politicans will do it?

Thanks Martian Republic, Larry for the putting it so well that I might understand.

Ah, "Menasco MADE THE LANDING GEAR FOR THE SPACE SHUTTLE ORBITOR" thats good that your corporation could do something for the vehicle.

If one were to desire to purchase that item, if they had wanted to for a robust but smaller shuttle, would it be very expense or is it restricted though contract with Nasa?

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#28 2004-09-17 14:27:10

Martian Republic
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Re: Politics for a new manned missions. - What politicans will do it?

Thanks Martian Republic, Larry for the putting it so well that I might understand.

Ah, "Menasco MADE THE LANDING GEAR FOR THE SPACE SHUTTLE ORBITOR" thats good that your corporation could do something for the vehicle.

If one were to desire to purchase that item, if they had wanted to for a robust but smaller shuttle, would it be very expense or is it restricted though contract with Nasa?

If you going to build another kind of shuttle, then you would have to design a whole new set of landing gears to fit that smaller shuttle. This company or for the matter any other company do there manufacturing process is. They do there enginering work on the air plane landing gear first or use previous designed air craft to get there spec for the new landing gear. Then they have to make there drawings for both the landing gear spec and for the fixture there going to have to build to make those landing gears. You also might make test pieces to test your design and make any modification before you build the fixture and order the castings. While building the fixture, then you got to order the cutter that are going to machine those landing gear and some times you even have to buy special machines to machine those parts.

If you wanted to do business with them, they will charge you what ever it cost to produce that part and with a small profit.

If one were to desire to purchase that item, if they had wanted to for a robust but smaller shuttle, would it be very expense or is it restricted though contract with Nasa?

The price of the shuttle landing gear and they are pretty good size landing gear would be in the several million dollar range to get one set. But, to build a set that is much smaller along the lines that your talking about like use a pair of F-16 landing gear or something like that, it would still cost you in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. But, if they had to design a whole new set, I have absolutly no idea what it might cost you. There in the business to sell landing gear. Show up with enough money so they can buy the material, workers to build it and make at least a small profit and build it for you.

Now whether or not you have the money to pay them to buy

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#29 2004-09-17 14:47:23

Martian Republic
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Re: Politics for a new manned missions. - What politicans will do it?

Thanks Martian Republic, Larry for the putting it so well that I might understand.

Ah, "Menasco MADE THE LANDING GEAR FOR THE SPACE SHUTTLE ORBITOR" thats good that your corporation could do something for the vehicle.

If one were to desire to purchase that item, if they had wanted to for a robust but smaller shuttle, would it be very expense or is it restricted though contract with Nasa?

If you going to build another kind of shuttle, then you would have to design a whole new set of landing gears to fit that smaller shuttle. This company or for the matter any other company do there manufacturing process is. They do there engineering work on the air plane landing gear first or use previous designed air craft to get there spec for the new landing gear. Then they have to make there drawings for both the landing gear spec and for the fixture there going to have to build to make those landing gears. You also might make test pieces to test your design and make any modification before you build the fixture and order the castings. While building the fixture, then you got to order the cutter that are going to machine those landing gear and some times you even have to buy special machines to machine those parts.

If you wanted to do business with them, they will charge you what ever it cost to produce that part and with a small profit.

If one were to desire to purchase that item, if they had wanted to for a robust but smaller shuttle, would it be very expense or is it restricted though contract with Nasa?

The price of the shuttle landing gear and they are pretty good size landing gear would be in the several million dollar range to get one set. But, to build a set that is much smaller along the lines that your talking about like use a pair of F-16 landing gear or something like that, it would still cost you in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. But, if they had to design a whole new set, I have absolutly no idea what it might cost you. There in the business to sell landing gear. Show up with enough money so they can buy the material, workers to build it and make at least a small profit and build it for you.

Now whether or not you have the money to pay them to buy the landing gear, well that another matter. There is one casting on a 777 Boeing air plane that cost $10,000 dollars for just a hunk iron and nothing done to it. You know your not buying that from them for $5,000 dollars, let alone after they been machining it, heat treating it, grinding it, platting it, etc. I mean it just not going to happen.

Larry,

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#30 2004-09-18 07:00:22

comstar03
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Re: Politics for a new manned missions. - What politicans will do it?

As stated: you need to bring the drive back into space for the country's interest. You need to tell the country what is happening around the work in space and the other countries going into space and may get to the moon before them, also that means they have the first bite of the lunar resource bucket. Would America's like the idea they need to pay raw minerals off another country ? I don't think so !!!!

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#31 2004-09-18 08:54:58

Grypd
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Re: Politics for a new manned missions. - What politicans will do it?

What killed the apollo programme was when they got there using a serious load of resources and cash the public where extatic but the second, third missions got less and less interest. Also there was a war on that had to have more capital and resources and of course it could be said the mission was completed and time to sort out the problems the USA had on Earth. The time for the Hero's and the right stuff had ended. It was decided After that there was a need to have a cheaper option for sending men to space. The domain of the scientists but it was to be the be all for everyone and so the shuttle was born. Well the cheap road to space was certainly not the Shuttle which has turned out to be a bit of a white elephant. But it did make good press but still the public where not interested. Only when NASA was to send a teacher to space that the public got interested teachers are commen people you see. But Challenger exploded.

The problem I see with public interest in space is it is thought of as something only scientists can do not us the commen person. Until we have people walking on the streets applying for jobs then space will allways be thought of as the exotic occupation that you have no hope of becoming. If we can get that to change if there is a need in space for engineers and plumbers and commen workmen then there will be interest again.


Chan eil mi aig a bheil ùidh ann an gleidheadh an status quo; Tha mi airson cur às e.

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#32 2004-09-18 17:47:07

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Re: Politics for a new manned missions. - What politicans will do it?

Grypd,

Yes, Yes, Yes, but we need the development courses, training facilities and job prospects for these workers.

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