Mars - LETS DO IT without NASA

martian4u · 2004-02-13 22:53:45

i am very much impressed by the content of red colony.com and marssociety.org and there is no doubt you guys house some of the best ideas required for us to go to the red planet

Id like to give u some history about myself Ive always wanted to go to mars as a kid, i looked up at the stars and i used to think how good it would be up there away from the tensions of the world..by age 8 i had decided to be an astronaut!But wait nasa consistently seemed to give me setbacks and now i think even the moon is not the priority contrary to popular belif.There are promoting diplomacy with the help of the ISS, I think ISS is a big waste of time and money

I have decided to do it, im very much inspired by daniel hay's mars project, but a not for profit corporation wont go far.WE NEED TO WORK AS A TEAM, Im planning to establish a space enterprise whose mission statement is to colonise extraterrestrial worlds within our life time, lets not put the burden on our future generations, lets do it ourselves. The official launch of the company will take place within one year , but we have to develop the basic infrastructure and start with the business plan. There is no doubt you people are ambitious and so am i ..MArs society has geologists, biologists,students, potential astronauts alike who would die just to be able to live on mars for a day! . Believe me guys have faith in yourself and have faith and god...and if interested join my company, i assure u its not a fly by night thing, thats the reason why we will spend 1 year under development, this thing has to become the biggest damn space enterprise on the planet and it wont be possible without you guys

It will be a profit oriented joint stock company and 100 percent of shares will belong to the company initially and be sold off to investors by a decision undertaken by the board of the directors, large salaries will be given for sure but not in the beginning, as of now i need volunteers to help set up the company , this company has to be launched by Feb 15 2005, if u guys can bring in capital or help us in getting a loan we would be more than obliged but at this moment we need hard working and willing people who will do it. MOST of the profit will go into designing space vehicles for the future

This is a call to the arms
ARE you in?

PS- If its in ur mind to joke about this thing, please dont even bother to reply, i need serious minded people who will together accomplish humanity's next step....Extraterrestrial colonisation

martian4u · 2004-02-13 22:56:43

i believe its time we did it, and no this is not sudden excitement because of the mars rovers, it has always been there deep within me. Most people in here will discuss the techniques and hypothesis but alhough they are the base, they are not enough for us to reach the stars (mars or moon hehe)

If serious people are willing to cooperate then within one year the enterprise will be up and running and in the meanwhile we will launch a space portal, thats on my mind

martian4u · 2004-02-13 22:58:04

100 percent of the shares will belong to the company.....ok i guess it was misleading i should clear it out,everyone will get a salary according to their work wether it is a clerk or a ceo, the extra profit that the company gets after the work will go into further development of the enterprise, and ofcourse we will sell shares to shareholders, but the 100 pecent share belonging to the company is an initial thing, slowly ofcourse sares will be sold

I have everything planned out, but right now i need willing people who can work hard, if they can bring in capital as well that would be cool but its not required now, we will be applying for a loan soon.

martian4u · 2004-02-13 22:59:53

i can discuss the strategies with people who are game.

Currently i live in new delhi, India but i will be there in usa by august and from there i will cary out both my studies and the initial backbone of the company. We need creative people, no person can ever alone accomplish this and i need a team of entrepeneurs, enthusiastic people and students alike who are willing to work, and just because im founding the company doesnt mean im gonna promote myself to be a ceo, we will set up a board of directors and they will decide who becomes what.

My first plan is to develop a space portal, i believe red colony.com offers a lot of cool content but its a lil hard for the common man to understand whats said, we need to make the masses interested in space and hence the portal, other than that we will also carry out new and innovative ideas by members as and when they are feasible.
Rockie

martian4u · 2004-02-13 23:00:49

i know people always have had the mentality that a particular thing cant be done, they are like let someone else do it and what are we doing , just sitting on our ass or working for someone, thats how our whole life is gonna be right? Well yes but probably not for our children and grand children, remember expansion is the key to the growth of humans, if christopher columbas never crossed the atlantic we wouldnt be living in this land called america and probably be under the rule of some fuedal lord

THIS thing is totally serious, we can accomplish this on our own and by corporate funding as this organisation grows, although salaries will be paid, the owners arent gonna get profit since all of the profit will go for research into technology, we will need a team of scientists, entrapeneurs doctors alike, hell anyone who is interested

Those who think that NASA is going to do it , well forget about it bush explicitly said mars is not on their plan right now, its time WE DID IT

martian4u · 2004-02-13 23:02:40

I am also not gonna show hollow dreams, i have a well planned strategy as to how we go about it, and we arent gonna land on mars anytime within these ten years
however if proper support is given i can assure u we will conduct manned space flights in low earth orbit by 2012, 2016 will be the time to build a lunar base and 2020 - 2022 is when we land and build a colony on mars, ITS ALL PLANNED, however like i said just saying this wont work, but planned cooperation will get us there

In order to join right now you dont have to bring in capital, unless u want to, we will set up a board of directors and..think about our capital next

Rockie

dicktice · 2004-02-14 10:39:08

Keep on talking, martian4u.
My question, first and foremost, has always been: How much would space exploration programs actually cost, if all the work was done by age-retired-on-pension experts, paid subsistance only (no salaries or wages) including unpaid volunteer astronauts?
We might be astounded at how quickly and cheaply such a scheme might be successfully carried out--life being so short--just for the fun of it.

Rxke · 2004-02-14 11:16:40

Right. Look at armadilloaerospace, the hardware is unblievably cheap.
Ok they still don't have a flying piece of gear, but getting very close. And ok, it's Xprize stuff, only 100 km, but imagine that thing on a low gravity moon... (phobos/deimos, mining for fuel and use that fuel to go back to earth or refill Earth LEO crafts, now that would be a viable businessmodel if you get the operational costs low enough)

It's very impressive what they built, so far, with off-the shelf parts and a skunkworks mentality.

martian4u · 2004-02-14 19:25:07

i agree with ur suggestions that recruiting retired specialists and voulnteer astronauts might be viable BUT i dont think it is gonna last fo long, there has to be motivation for something...early on ofcourse there would be volunteer work but slowly this will be turned into a company ..(in one year)and people will be paid what they are worth for, we wont go on a recruiting spree though, we need to have a balance of entrepeneurs, marketing specialists, geologists, biologists and ofcourse rocket scientists. The key toa successful company is to keep the customers happy and also the employees and our company will do just that.

martian4u · 2004-02-14 19:30:46

See basically this is how we start, we gather a few ambitious and hard working people together, and im sure there is no lack of these kinds of people on red colony.com and start working on the beginning infrastructure, be well aware though that this first year is basically asking volunteers who will work together to set up the business unit, we will write down the official business plan and get to work before feb 15 2004.

These few people who start work with me now will be given first peference for the entry into the board of directors, at any point however there is going to be a maximum of 12 directors, the ceo of the company will be elected by the BOD.

In the beginning we may or may not get a loan, ill assume we wont get loan in the beginning though , however members are welcomed if they want to bring in their own capital, this wont give them shares though, everyone will have a salary according to the rank

We hope to start of with a space portal, which will focus on educating the masses about space, we will offer space articles, which will be written by us members or people can be invited to write articles in exchange for which they will be given goods from ours store, the key factor is we need to be user friendly, after the inital 2 years and as the site becomes poular and attractive, we can begin to attract investors and apply for a loan that will really do the trick..

MORE is coming please hold on!

martian4u · 2004-02-14 19:33:38

We can also from the very beginning ask people to work for us for free in exchange for salaries with 6 percent interest as and when the company grows.

WE can then start sellling off our shares and attract more and more investors, with the money we get, we will spend it on recruiting the most ambitious people who WANT to go to space or work towards it, we are going to recruit scientists who will plan and work together and design our space ships, in the mean time we will also research alternate energy reserves and market them to earn extra profit, ok now this is really crazy but we may even start our own production company and make a movie regarding our goal, if the movie is a hit it will do a lot to help finance our mission.

Space is an industry waiting to be exploited, as the new space ships and technology is developed by our scientists we will launch manned missions to the moon. Why the moon ..well because moon provides He 3 which can be used for nuclear fusion reaction and is pollution free we can also use this to power our own planet for 1000 years and drastically reduce costs to goto mars.

I predict 2020-2022 as the time when man first steps on mars and begins colonising it , but i CANNOT do it alone, I need ambitious and energetic people who are willing to give up some of their time in order to pursue a mission which is truly going to be benefecial to humanity

Dennis Gutknecht · 2004-02-18 14:42:02

I agree that the Moon will eventually need a base, but its not a necessity for going to Mars. Not in the least really. And in fact, establishing a permanent manned presence on Mars would be much easier than on the Moon for a number of factors (read 'The Case for Mars' if you haven't already, by Dr. Robert Zubrin). Also, there are many space enthusiasts out there, such as Tom Hanks, who may be willing to assist in such a program down the road with funding and support. While we are doing this, I don't believe we should stop lobbying for the Mars Direct plan in the government. In fact, I've come up with something of an idea that I emailed to Dr. Zubrin several days ago. The United States spends 35 billion dollars annually on our nuclear arms program (maintenance, new launch vehicles, clean up, etc.). If we shaved even just 4 or 5 billion dollars off that a year, we could fund the Mars Direct plan starting NOW instead of 20 or so years, and get to mars before 2020 (maybe even by 2015). Now of course George Bush would never go for such a plan, but Dr. Zubrin suggested John Kerry may be willing to listen to such an idea. If any of you would like to know where I got my figures from, feel free to email me at EQfan592@aol.com (which is also my AIM name). If you want help in this company, sign me up. I done have much money, and am currently a student, but I'd like to think I'm at least a fairly sharp person, and I believe I could bring a lot to the table Anyway, we shall see what happens, and write to John Kerry (as it seems he will be getting the democratic ticket) and anybody else you think might listen, and tell them about this idea if you feel so inclined. Thanks for listening

Field Marshal Mathers · 2004-02-25 13:49:04

I am tempted to start a political discussion... I won't. But shaving a few billion off the nuclear program is harder than it sounds... Most of that money goes towards maintenance and I think neglecting to maintain radioactive materials facilities might be short sighted.

I am however very interested in martian4u's proposal. I am just a salesman, but I am currently studying engineering and I would like to hear more about your plans.

maniacprovost@yahoo.com

Dennis Gutknecht · 2004-02-27 12:28:21

Field Marshal Mathers, you don't fully understand what I am saying here. I'm not talking about just cutting back funding and leaving nukes to just sit there. I'm talking about getting rid of a few thousand warheads. Disposal would be a one time cost, which would be paid off in the long run with money saved on maintenance. You must ask yourself if we really need 10,500 nuclear warheads. We could get away with a few hundred by all rights, and that would save a lot of money, but I think you would have a better chance asking for a reduction of just a few thousand. Trust me when I say that my idea was no idle thought, but an idea that had some research behind it. It is a sound idea, and one I think more people should be pushing for, so email those that represent you and get active about getting us to Mars!

martian4u · 2004-02-27 19:02:07

I have got your point dennis but what field marshall is saying isnt wrong in his place either..

Both of you seem to have valid points and seem to be interested in this project, I wonder why u did not contact me when i actually invited you to talk to me on yahoo or msn..(sorry no aol) .

I think both of you can valuable assets to our team..actually Im a student as well , Im 18 and im coming to usa this fall...but i do have a lot of plans in my mind as to how we go about doing this job, like I said our aim is not to directly get to mars but build a backbone first. I wont make baseless claims and say we are going to mars during the next launch window, we are NOT..but given everything goes according to the strategies( for which frankly i need your input as well) I think we should certainly land on mars by 2025

You guys seem to be on the engineering side of things..Im going to study business, we have a girl with us who is also studying business and a guy who is a backyard scientist!

I think we can make a formidable team..thats why I would like you to have a talk with me

email address is rockie_the_great@yahoo.com
msn id is the same as email add
and yahoo id is rockie_the_great

I look forward to hearing from both of you
Rockie

Field Marshal Mathers · 2004-02-28 21:58:13

Well, maybe I was partially wrong- it slipped my mind that we have 'spare' nukes we can get rid of. Of course there are plenty of larger, equally useless federal programs. But like martian4u, I'm not that thrilled about leaving it up to the gov. anyway.

Dennis Gutknecht · 2004-03-01 15:32:18

Indeed, there are many useless fed programs out there, I just took the nuclear arms program because I thought it was one of the more obviously over inflated programs that we have. But indeed, the funding is there. As far as the government, I think that we desperately need to work for a cleaner, more representative government in this nation. We let the government get to this point, and we are the only one's who can change it. And hopefully, under that changed government, we'll get a space program that makes sense, not the useless bureaucratic BS that comes out of NASA these day's.

Rakial · 2004-03-02 12:41:48

I am not sure what?s wrong with US government, I think it?s fine, but I am not a politician at all. Hate politics.
I am very intrigued by martian4u?s idea though. I totally think that going to Mars should be profitable for people who are sending you there. I also thought about this for the longest time, but I have so many questions: like why Mars Society is not doing this, not trying to make it more commercial? There are so many people involved in Mars Society all across the globe so many specialist volunteering their time, MS trying to sell anything and everything in their e-shop.
Why don?t you introduce your proposal to Mars Society, won?t it will be easier to build you corporation on something that is already there rather than to start it from scratch and to recruit people again when MS has so much potential already.
I am not in any way trying to discourage you, I just want to know how deep you thought it trough and did you take everything else that available in consideration.
Look at this, I think this should be the most popular topic on this web site because this what will eventually send us of to Mars, but No most people are at the forums that discus US politics on the NEW MARS web site.
One more thing, I work in finance department for the biggest TV Network in Canada I know all the numbers ($) that movies bring in. Documentaries, the ones that you were planning on making about your enterprise, most of the time (if not always) we show them at our own expense.

martian4u · 2004-03-03 00:00:07

hi rakial, its nice to know indeed that so many people in here are actually taking interest in this planned mission of ours.. I have taken into account your opinions but unfortunately i cannot take any decision alone, I will have to talk with the people in my group regarding this suggestion of yours

In the mean time I would like you to talk to me as well, at this point we need anyone who is interested in working towards this goal, wether they work full time, part time or volunteers.

Like i said before my yahoo id is rockie_the_great and my msn id is rockie_the_great@yahoo.com..hope to talk to you as well

Rockie

martian4u · 2004-03-10 22:04:53

believe me , i took into account all the problems we are going to face when we actually plan a mission to mars..financial problems are ofcourse foremost..followed by lack of motivation etc..etc. I can understand your skepticism but if you read all my posts in this thread carefully you will understand..exactly how we plan to do it.

I would have replied to this post in detail but ..unfortunately i dont have the time right now..however do keep posting , ill reply to your questions

PS - In the mean time anyone who wants to be involved with me in this effort may please contact me..Ive listed my yahoo and msn id's umpteen times..but ill list them again anyways:D

Yahoo id rockie_the_great,
msn id - rockie_the_great@yahoo.com

ruski_canuk · 2004-03-10 23:34:39

The goal is glamorous and many of the ideas put forth are backed by wisdom and logic. I think there needs to be mixed in with the spirited drive of ambition/motivation that you are arousing (I also believe that our potential as humans is near limitless when we work together) a large dose of reality. Such an idea is one that won't develop overnight (I like the lets sit on it for a year approach) and also there has likely been many who have thought of / tried similar such ventures ending in failure. Those instances should be studied in completeness to see where the integerity of the plan failed as to not trip in the same place again. Credibility will be, in my opinion, a huge obstacle and therefore to gather support using MS as a base, as someone advised, is a wise thing to do, if not the ONLY thing to do. Is this not the ultimate goal of MS? I spoke above about our abilites IF we work together. I think MS people have the talent (not the money) requried for such a task.

Our goal this year should be to think of a truly VIABLE way to fund a program of this magnitude. That is the true hurdle for which I currently do not see answer. Answer that and you have Mars.

cmon MS show your stuff.

-Justin of Calgary, Canada

martian4u · 2004-03-12 23:39:07

I am a realist and I am talking in real terms because this is possible. I think the space web portal idea put forth by me is the first and formeost thing we should do in order to gather interest in masss as well as the initial capital to begin our research..I know this is hard but like John F Kennedy put it 40 years ago...WE want to do this not because it is easy but because it is hard..( both technically and financially) . I am just one person and its not necessary that all of my ideas are correct, we need more and more ideas as well as modifications and for that I need comrades. you mentioned about Mars society..you see the problem with mars society is that its expecting the govt to do the things and it doesnt look at things from a commercial point of view, NASA has been held down by the congress and i dont expect it to do anything, a private mission will be harder but in the end. it is the way to go, there has to be incentive for people to go there..corporates want profit and we have to show them how viable space is for them. Tell me would you wanna spend 20 billion in getting to mars and get nothing in return..other than just planting a flag? Although our destination is the same, our method of approach towards this goal is different and for this reason..it wouldnt be viable to seek mars society's help unless they consider to modify their approach towards this goal.

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