Mars Rover Critters - Lets get answers to odd images :D

spinsanity · 2004-02-26 23:05:43

Take this image for example (there are many more odd things in other images)................

[http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ … 53M2M1.JPG]http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery....2M1.JPG

Microscopic Imager Non-linearized Full frame EDR acquired on Sol 50 of Spirit's mission to Gusev Crater at approximately at approximately 10:00:49 Mars local solar time, Microscopic Imager dust cover commanded to be OPEN. NASA/JPL/Cornell/USGS

1. What are the objects that are pointed out?

2. Does anyone else think they could be fossils or life?

3. What other explanations could account for these?

4. What may be the best way to find out what the guys at JPL/NASA think? Or for that matter, any other expert?

If any of you have any good ideas, please post them

Rxke · 2004-02-27 04:23:17

If you show something, can you please show the context, too... For all i know this could be a picture of a nearby beach you're living...

And i'm not a OMG aliens guy, BTW.
Frankly i don't understand how people keep seeing things in these pictures...
How many fossils did you see, last time you did a 500 meters stroll in the desert? Right. Most people commenting don't know *anything* about rocks etc. And if they do, it's from books. Never got outside themselves. (Hey, neither did i, but i don't claim to be a rock-fossils-alien artefacts expert!)

Sorry for ranting.

A bit more real answering:

I trust Nasa/JPL. Or better: I trust the huge amount of data coming down, making it virtually impossible to intercept that data, ift through it, delete the 'juicy' parts... NASA/JPL is working with a cadre of *TOP* scientists that get to see the raw stuff. Be sure of that. Now let's assume ther comes in a picture with something really out of the ordinary... They can not keep that down, scientists are too eager to publish, get th word out of discoveries.
So, if they don't see anything special, neither will we, and if we do, then maybe it's time to do an alcohol/drug/reality check... Yes Hoagland, I'm looking at you...

Shaun Barrett · 2004-02-27 05:00:50

As is so often the case, I agree with Rxke.
This picture looks like wet sand to me. I say 'like wet sand' because it's impossible to be specific and, if it's a Mars shot, there isn't supposed to be any wet sand! (... So we have to be careful with our interpretations, I suppose.)

In any event, the small regions of the picture you point to, Spinsanity, could be almost anything ... or nothing. I see absolutely no reason to get excited about these small poorly resolved areas of the photograph.

But don't be put off by my criticisms! I want you to find me something truly remarkable. I want you to find me a real fossil.
However, you'll have to do a little better than this!
:;):

Rxke · 2004-02-27 05:06:25

But don't be put off by my criticisms! I want you to find me something truly remarkable. I want you to find me a real fossil.
However, you'll have to do a little better than this!
:;):

Scary how Shaun always agrees with me! But, in return, i agree with his quote 500%, I'm afraid i sounded a bit too negative... (see my signature)

BTW: to set things 100% straight, i didn't try to nsinuate you actually submitted a 'beachphoto,' I was just making a point...

Rxke · 2004-02-27 05:12:07

Come to think of it... Those red marks seem eerily familiar to Hoagland's way of highlighting 'artifact/Elvis hamburgers/Alien Weapons of Mars Destruction...' (Been to his site sometimes, but sorry, i really don't see what he's seeing...)

Hoag? Is that you? :laugh:

spinsanity · 2004-02-27 14:11:08

oh.. my mistake http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ … 53M2M1.JPG from spirit's trench

now.. back to the topic at hand...
you see, i'm not interested in Hoagland's view ! (not really your view unless you know what your talking about)

"you trust jpl".... GREAT! now the issue is what does JPL (or some other expert) say about the things "that could be about anything" ??? ... and how could we find out

spin

Rxke · 2004-02-27 15:02:45

you see, i'm not interested in Hoagland's view ! (not really your view unless you know what your talking about)

Huh? Can you re-phrase that for a poor Belgian... Don't understand the last part...

'bout JPL, scientists... guess we'll have to sit tight and wait till they get off their lazy asses(grin) an start publishing papers...
Also, the press conferences give a good clue what the're thinking...

And, hey, i was kidding 'bout the Hoagland thing!

spinsanity · 2004-02-27 15:26:53

Well.. let us start over again....

I simply want to know what these objects could be and I want the best educated guess from someone that could qualify as being an "expert".

For example.. if they are rocks.. how could they of formed these unusual shapes and what examples could one point to with Earth examples.

These objects deserve a better explanation than "sand held together by electrostatic forces" or "almost anything"... they are unusual and I just want to know from someone qualified as to just how unusual (did they expect to see such object, can the objects be accounted for, if not- then what are the current theories as to their formation and why)

Spin

"Show me the money"

Rxke · 2004-02-27 16:16:17

I can't answer... And i have asked similar questions before, too but most people here claim they're not specialists... Though some are 'rock-hounds' Let's hope they chime in....

Silly idea: are there messageboards for 'rock-hounds'? Might be interesting if there were, humbly ask people over for some ideas... they might like it...

(but i have to sleep now)

spinsanity · 2004-02-27 16:31:55

From above "the press conferences give a good clue what they're thinking"..... NOPE the press conferences suck (and I think you know this)... Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far we know that there are 3 leading theories as to the spheres and some talk about charged particles holding sand together (or some talking of salty water) <<< wow.. I just summed up all the info from a month or two of the press conferences.

As to waiting for "papers to be pushed" .... that is simply a bogus excuse for the apparent lack of info that is coming from the "science community".. no papers needed to be pushed for the limited amount of info that we do have, it just took someone to give a little incite to what they guys at Arizona and Cornell are thinking. They do have theorys... lets see what they are.. then later they can be updated after some "papers have been pushed"

NOW if you know a way to get the same treatment as to the theory of the spheres applied to the above mentioned odd looking things... let me know :laugh:

Otherwise we will have Hoagland (mis)guiding the masses.. lol

Spin

PS.. I take issue with Shaun Barrett saying the objects are of too poor resolution.

spinsanity · 2004-02-27 16:35:28

Rxke .... posting on a rock hound site.. not a bad idea

chaosman · 2004-03-01 16:03:47

How about crosslinking all Mars discussions ?

Please post your links here:

[http://www.newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1507]http://www.newmars.com/cgi-bin....=74;r=1

spinsanity · 2004-03-02 01:27:41

Great Idea chaosman, thank you :band:

Rxke · 2004-03-02 05:30:50

Well, you all probably heard about the big press conerence coming up today! So hopefully they 'show the money!'

spinsanity · 2004-03-05 09:04:07

Well, Rxke .... blah... NASA did another poor job
Good science but a poor job... it is great they did the science to confirm something.... but they still hiding behind the "we must be sure before we say anything" excuse. Lets hear their hypothesis and why... we need to hear more heheh

I still haven't gone to a rock hound site yet.. but will soon.

Here is a good site that may help some of us (somehow I doubt it, but it is still a GREAT idea

Ask an Astrobiologist (lol.. say will answer 80-99% of questions.... want to make a bet you fall in the 1-20% ???)
[http://www.vrd.org/locator/sites/astrobio.shtml]http://www.vrd.org/locator/sites/astrobio.shtml

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