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#1 Yesterday 10:36:34
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What collections of people think people should be property?
Title Change. Old Title: "What Nations or other entities regard the people as property?"
Yes, I am violating my pledge to not interact in "Not So Free Chat".
But it has occurred to me that at its root Communism in intending to own the means of production then treats the people as property it also owns.
It also occurs to me that Monarchy and Dictators also may behave in such a manner as well.
This then explains to me why the Left and the Right resemble each other when they arrive at a possession of power to rule.
In the USA, "In Theory" it is "We the People".
Yes, I understand that in the USA this concept if violated early and often by those who wish to get power.
But it is inverse to starting with the idea that "Rulers own the People".
So, in my opinion the concept of the USA is not Left or Right but leaves each of those in their many forms off to the side, destined for the trash bin, whenever possible.
That is my current thinking.
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#2 Yesterday 11:31:06
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What Nations or other entities regard the people as property? by Void
I am curious to know if you (as a living human being) think that an imaginary entity such as a Nation can "regard" anything?
How about other entities?
Can a corporation "regard" anything?
Can a tribe "regard" anything?
Your post in reply will be enlightening to our readers.
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#3 Yesterday 11:34:33
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I have some concepts that obviously derived from other people concepts. It is just possible that at times I may find a associated concept that seems to come from me.
Your question is very important.
The mind of humans is individual and collective. The individual and the hive mind.
Pause..........
In my thought experiment.....
Females tend to have more verbal skills, and males may have more math skills and do have more special relations skills.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_relation
You will notice that verbal skills relate to the hive mind.
A female teacher of mine in high school said that it is feminine men who become chiefs of a tribe. Often an alpha male very good as a warrior who seems dominant, but a male with verbal skills obviously can work better with both female and male tribe members.
Having verbal and perhaps art skills, a tribal library can be created, perhaps only oral tradition, and some rock paintings, but this becomes a primer for the direction that the young will develop.
So, "Library" is read only memory. The Hive mind joins the separate individuals together. But the Individual is more likely to add to the "Library". If you are deep into the hive mind, you do not favor the new but recall the old.
So, a community such as a nation or other entity such as a belief system can think, and recall. It can regard something.
For instance, the EU regards the American interest in Greenland in a negative way. They don't understand that we need it so that we can create clothing optional resorts for our A.W.F.U.L.'s from Minnesota.
Visitors will have their eyes blindfolded first.
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I am going to take this liberty to posture a notion about human intergender process, that may cause the fall of an empire.
We know that many animals require acceptance from a female before a procreative act is allowed.
Dolphins rape, so there are exceptions. But rape is a test of sorts. (I can hear the screams). No, I do not regard it to be a acceptable thing.
But the mechanics for procreation usually require a sperm cell to meet an egg cell in a nurturing situation. I think that it is truth to say that that is not always done in ways that we want to accept. Sometimes brute strength allows it.
But often females expect a contest between males.
And there may be the problem. There is what her consciousness says to her she as wants. There is what she says she wants. But there is what do here genes want?
Pause..............
She mostly has the same genes as a male, but here epigenetics control how the genes are expressed in reality.
A tested example of this is for the avoidance of inbreeding. Sisters tested to small brothers T-Shirts will be relatively repulsed by the odor but may accept a non-relative's odor in preference.
So, could the female population of a tribe/nation turn traitor to its male population? And under what circumstances?
IN the Roman Empire it seems to have happened. It appears from stories and rumors that females attaining high status, may have felt that their population had no worthy males. So, then that may have cause them to make damage to the society, to pull down their own house so that it could be raped by a more powerful set of outside males.
It is perhaps like a drug where you cannot ever get enough. You finally got on top of the Men and got some wealth, and yet you want more, and resent that you are not getting more.
Western Europe is likely enjoying being raped at this time as it is. The USA is barely managing to say NO!
You have to consider that Nature does not value intelligence, unless it perpetuates genes.
So, females will not select for intelligence, only dominance.
Lots of good materials for you to condemn in this post.
The question of Neoteny: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny
It is my opinion that societies that allow more power for males in mate selection will become more Neotenous. They are selecting for there opposite. (China? Japen?).
Cultures which give more power to the females will become more robust, in my opinion. Females exploit cucks, but when they are most fertile are compelled to seek the masculine robust.
The Hairiest men are in the middle east, I think, but that is only one aspect of Neoteny.
https://www.curlcentric.com/what-ethnic … Caucasians.
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According to Personal Health via the New York Times, Caucasians are the hairiest ethnic group, with Semitic and Mediterranean people being the hairiest out of all Caucasians.
You would think that north Europeans would be the hairiest, but they are not, it seems.
Carl Young, I seem to recall indicated that Catholics are Feminine. But Muslims, Protestants, Jewish People and Communists are Masculine.
But most of those have only existed for a number of centuries at most. So, their previous cultures may have been feminine.
I have deviated a bit, but the interaction of collections of individuals and their cultural roots could affect their epigenetics over time and also even the predominance of genetic traits, among those being the contrast between Efficient/Capable, Gracile/Robust, and other polarities that may experience deviation/drift over time.
Hurl some outrage at me or some insults, or ask some questions.
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#4 Yesterday 13:13:32
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(th) other administrators talk directly to me.
So, the title is changed. What do you think? We can change it some more, if necessary.
Crowds of people do act as a singular entity at times.
The Supreme court renders an opinion. (And a minority opinion).
Congress votes a law.
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#5 Yesterday 14:47:25
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Here is the history but its not inclusive enough as its still going on even today as we speak of
Chattel slavery was a legal system, prominent from the 16th to 19th centuries, that classified human beings as personal property (chattel) rather than legal persons, allowing them to be bought, sold, owned, and inherited. Enslaved people were subjected to forced labor, lacked legal rights, and were governed by strict codes.
Key aspects of people as property include:
Legal Status: Enslaved people were considered assets, similar to livestock or, in some contexts, real estate.The Dred Scott Decision (1857): The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Congress could not prohibit slavery in territories, effectively stating that enslaved people were property and not citizens.
Legal Framework: Laws, such as Slave Codes, denied enslaved individuals the right to marry, testify in court, or own property themselves.
Economic System: The institution was driven by the demand for labor, with millions of people of African descent held in bondage in the Americas.
Case Law: The U.S. Supreme Court navigated the "dual status" of enslaved people as both human beings and legal property, often upholding the rights of owners.
The dehumanization inherent in viewing people as property was a core component of the transatlantic slave trade and the antebellum American South
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#6 Today 10:05:01
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Thank You Spacenut for your contribution.
It needs to be said, in my opinion that you must view the American/European connection to slavery with the rest of the world as a background reference.
I view the African slavery as like a profitable crime organization. It existed in some form before the connection to Africa. I have read that a collection of Europeans wanted to farm sugar cane on Cyprus. They were Greek, Italian, French and British, I seem to recall. The slaves they wanted were Slavs. Perhaps from the area of Ukraine. The Turks would not let them get those Slav European Slaves. So, they then got African slaves from the Arabs, I think.
The Portuguese had stepped out of Europe before Columbus:
https://www.africanhistoryextra.com/p/t … portuguese
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kongo
It would be a mistake to say that I understand what went on fully. And I do not attribute the invention of African Slavery to the Portuguese, But some people who likely were Portuguese collaborated with Africans in the Kongo, to create an Atlantic Slave trade. This allowed them to bypass the slave trade of the Arabs and Turks. And there was a lot of money in it so it grew.
America allowing some slavery was just doing what most other peoples were doing in the area.
Credit is disserved for the Europeans and Americans who rejected the practice.
Some of them did so for humanities sake and some of them did not want it as those who owned slaves would have an unfair labor advantage and could run Simple Farmers off of their farms.
In a sense African Slave Trade was not necessarily only African, as it could be true that some slaves were the children of non-African European, Arab, or Turk fathers. A minority of course.
So, the story is America did what others dis in the same era, but also participated after some Europeans in the abolishment of Slavery.
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The African born people of the Kongo apparently practiced the enslavement of other Africans and sold them to the Portuguese.
People who demand reparations from other Americans are Slavers. They are wanting to do what caused their presence on this continent.
So NO!
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#7 Today 10:54:49
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I want to contrast the American School Systems with what seems likely to emerge soon.
This may be important because many of us may live for some time with the product of the new school system.
I think this belongs here because children are subjects of the school system and subjected to its constructed intentions. Yes, a school system
can retain the "Memory" of the intentions of those who caused its form. That "Memory" is imposed on the students.
The progression:
1) The Era before Commoner Public School.
2) Commoner Public School.
3) AI/Robot School.
1) Just as now, the wealthy might get tutors, and be educated to be rulers. Others might have some minimal schooling and vocational exposure.
2) This Video may be a fair assessment: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … 628bc975ad Quote:
How Rockefeller's Stupidity Reshaped Education
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#8 Today 11:06:27
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chatgpt is a brilliant teacher. knows everything, understands everything. and i can talk to him, non stop, all the time. argue and whatnot. it makes the worlds schooling system redundant.
if learning is what its about.
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#9 Today 11:21:32
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Referring to post #7 and also #8, (Thankyou offtherock):
Yes, that is likely, it seems.
Faults I see in the Common Public School System are many in my opinion, but we need to give thanks for what we received even so.
But the faults might be corrected by what is to come, even though it may be that we will discover faults in what is to come.
One Fault is the Trailer Park Fault. This is where students of similar age, even so mature at a different rate. So, you may have children who are not as ready as the other children. This does not mean that they will not eventually be ready, but that they may be a sort of "Retarded".
The word "Retarded" simply means needing more time or could mean incapable, or not willing.
A human child is retarded to a chimpanzee child at certain stages. A human childhood is longer than a chimpanzee childhood.
So, you can see the problem with Common Public School. The objective should be to teach the student when the student is ready to learn the thing. But that is not practical in an Assembly Line Common Public School Method.
To a certain degree we mostly or all get treated to some degree as if we are property. When it can be afforded, freedoms are allowed.
This is why I have turned away from Liberal thinking. I prefer to be Liberal but think we cannot afford the results of excessive Liberalism.
There has to be come amount of Conservation of the means of Liberty. And so we have to reluctantly resort to more Conservative methods.
And I deeply resent the people who have squandered our liberty and made it necessary to apply constraints.
Anyway, the Trailer Park Fault, is where early developers are sometimes also cut short by early termination of further development.
The new system may make it possible for slow developers who retain the ability to learn like a child longer can be encouraged to learn longer and perhaps also to think.
But the dark cloud is, where such a child will be able to simply ask the answers to questions and get answers. Then we might go back to rote memorization as the definition of "Smart".
If computers do dream for us, did we win?
That is a problem, perhaps.
Will a child have a "Perl of Knowledge" inserted into their brain and connected up like Nuralink, Will that have everything an educated adult need for knowledge?
Will you inherit your ancestors' memories in "Perls".
Strange stuff.
So, at least at first good things, but than as always, some things of concern.
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