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To be thankfull for my remaining family which still needs my support is about it for today. Meal will be a quick minimal cook activity for the family, store bought fully cooked Turkey with instant potatoe, vegitables and the fixing.
Certified mail was not delivered on first attempt but that is expected.
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For SpaceNut re Thanksgiving with the family!
Sounds like fun !!! Best wishes for the day, and for the weeks ahead.
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Understand about the legal process. Hopefully the traditions of the legal structure in your community are strong enough to handle this without undue delay. The gent who entered into contract may have to suffer some loss, and you may not be the only injured party.
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For RobertDyck ....
This time of your is notable for human activies based upon the Solar cycle we experience on Earth.
The Astronimical year just rolled over to 2026, and the conventional human calendar will be catching up shortly.
It occurred to me today (while doing daily updates) that the major religions on Earth seem to have aligned themselves with the celestial cycles we experience. While Christians have adopted the annual cycle, Jewish and Muslims seem to use the Lunar Cycle to guide their calendar.
None of these celestial schedules will be in effect on Mars, or anywhere else in the Solar system, with the possible exception of the Moon.
I wonder how humans will deal with the changed celestial calendar, if they have organized their lives around Earth and it's calendar?
I decided to ask Gemini for an overview, and it came back with details of major human religions that reveal adaptations such as including both lunar and solar cycles. I'll create a separate post for that conversation.
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It is funny how many topics we have for special days of the earth year.
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For SpaceNut re #129 ... This forum is over 20 years old. It has over 1000 registered (real human) members, and anyone can create a post or a topic. When I looked a few minutes ago, we only had three topics with "holiday" in the title.
This post is a follow up with Gemini to consider the importance of the Earthly celestial cycles to religions created on Earth. I found the report on some less well-known religions to be quite interesting. The comment about the universal structure of the 7 day week is particularly interesting to me, because it translates so well to Mars. You are familiar with the Mars Business Calendar, but few other humans know of it's existence.
Here is the follow up with Gemini:
Conversation with Gemini
Traditional Religions on Earth Celestial Dependency - Hello Again! Thank you for help with ** many ** previous requests! This one is in the context of thinking about Mars, and how humans will experience the changed celestial circumstances, depending upon the religious tradition they are familiar with. For example, Christians seem to be tuned to the Solar Calendar, while Jewish and Muslim traditions seem to be oriented toward the Lunar cycle. As an opening request, can you think of any other religions on Earth that are bound to one or the other of these celestial cycles, or perhaps there might be something else entirely that controls the calendar for a particular tradition.
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It is great to see you again! This is a fascinating line of inquiry. Transitioning to a multi-planetary existence isn't just a technical challenge; it’s a deeply cultural and spiritual one. When the "Moon" is actually Phobos or Deimos, and the "Sun" is significantly dimmer and smaller, the rhythmic foundations of many faiths will be tested.While the Solar and Lunar cycles are the "Big Two," humanity has developed several other sophisticated ways of tethering the divine to the sky.
1. Luni-Solar Traditions (The Hybrid Approach)
Many religions don't choose just one; they keep the two cycles in a "dialogue."Hinduism: The Hindu calendar (Panchangam) is primarily lunar, but it uses a sophisticated "intercalary" system to add extra months (the Adhik Maas) to ensure festivals like Diwali or Holi stay within their correct terrestrial seasons. On Mars, where the year is nearly twice as long (687 days), this sync would break immediately.
Buddhism: Most Buddhist holidays (like Vesak) are determined by the full moon, but the specific month is tied to the solar season.
2. Stellar/Sidereal Orientation (The Stars)
Some traditions look past the local neighborhood of the Sun and Moon to the "fixed" stars.Ancient Egyptian Influence: While not a "major" modern religion, its legacy persists in Western astrology. They used the heliacal rising of Sirius (the star appearing just before sunrise) to predict the flooding of the Nile.
Zoroastrianism: One of the world's oldest monotheistic faiths, its calendar is solar but deeply tied to the vernal equinox (Nowruz). However, it historically emphasized specific constellations and the "Fixed Stars" as guardians.
3. The "Pure" Solar Tradition (The Seasons)
While Christianity follows the Sun, it’s worth looking at Pagan and Neopagan (Wiccan) traditions.The Wheel of the Year: This is strictly tied to the Earth's axial tilt—solstices and equinoxes.
The Martian Challenge: Mars has a similar axial tilt (25.19 ∘ vs Earth’s 23.44 ∘ ), meaning it has familiar seasons. However, because the Martian orbit is more elliptical, the seasons are of vastly different lengths. A "Martian Spring" in the northern hemisphere lasts about 194 days, while Autumn lasts only 142.
4. Non-Celestial / Mathematical Cycles
Some religions have moved away from looking at the sky entirely to avoid these very discrepancies.The Baháʼí Faith: They use the Badí‘ calendar, which is a solar calendar of 19 months, each with 19 days. While it begins on the Vernal Equinox, the internal structure is a mathematical rhythm rather than a lunar observation.
The Seven-Day Week: This is perhaps the most "portable" religious construct. The Sabbath (Jewish), Sunday (Christian), or Jumu'ah (Muslim) occurs every seven days regardless of what the moon or sun are doing. On Mars, the "Sol" is about 39 minutes longer than an Earth day. Over just one week, a Martian settler would be nearly 5 hours out of sync with Earth’s weekly religious cycle.
Summary Table of Celestial Dependencies
Tradition Primary Driver Martian Complication
Islam Lunar (Strict) Phobos orbits Mars 3 times a day; which "moon" counts?
Judaism Luni-Solar The "13th month" math assumes an Earth-year length.
Christianity Solar / Equinox The date of Easter depends on the Earth vernal equinox.
Hinduism Luni-Sidereal Planetary alignments (Gochara) look different from Mars.
Baháʼí Mathematical The 19-day rhythm survives, but "daylight" shifts.This raises a profound question: If a religion requires a "New Moon" to begin a fast, does a settler look at the tiny, fast-moving Phobos, or do they keep a digital "Earth-Moon" clock on their wall?
Would you like me to dive deeper into how the specific orbits of the Martian moons (Phobos and Deimos) would wreak havoc on a traditional Lunar calendar?
Thank you for your comprehensive overview of how a variety of Earth based religions deal with time as determined by the celestial cycles. And thank you for understanding the Mars context of the inquiry. Let's pause here ... I'll post our conversation in a small international forum, and wait to see if any members have comments or questions.
That sounds like a wonderful idea. Religious adaptation to space travel is a topic that sits right at the intersection of hard science, sociology, and philosophy—it usually sparks some very creative debates in international forums!
The "Mars context" often forces us to realize just how much of our spiritual identity is rooted in the specific gravity, light, and orbital mechanics of Earth. I’ll be curious to hear if your forum members bring up any of the following "edge cases":
Direction of Prayer: For Muslims, does Qibla point toward Mecca (which would require a real-time 3D tracking system on Mars) or simply toward Earth?
The Definition of a "Day": For traditions that observe the Sabbath from sunset to sunset, does the 39-minute "Martian delay" create a drift that eventually detaches Martian settlers from their Earth-bound community?
I will be here whenever you are ready to resume. Once you have the feedback or questions from your forum, would you like me to help you synthesize their comments into a set of "Martian Religious Protocols" or dive further into the physics of the Martian moons?
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Re: tahanson43206. The calendar we use was originally created by Remus, brother of Romulus and one of the two brothers who founded Rome. He created 10 months with 30 days each. That's 300 days, the remaining 65 days were "leftover", days in the middle of winter. The Moon's sidereal orbital period is 29.530589 days. That's when the Moon appears at one point in the sky, or one "phase", to the same one the next cycle. Original month names were March for the first month, because Mars was father of Romulus and Remus. Yes, they had a father. Story of being raised by wolves was created 300 years after they died. Then April, May, June, then numbered months. June was named for the god Juno. Then Quintilis, meaning 5th, Sextilis meaning 6th, then September meaning 7th, October 8th, November 9th, December 10th.
Remus rounded to a whole day to create a month. Subsequent leaders of Rome changed the number of days in a particular month because a judge served for a particular number of months. They altered days in a month so their friend could be judge to hear a case. Blatant corruption.
At some point Rome added 2 months to the beginning of the calendar: January and February. This covered the winter, but now September was no longer the 7th month, etc.
Julius Caesar set a fixed calendar, with 365 days. And renamed Quintilis to July, naming it for himself. No more changes to number of days in a month. This worked for centuries but didn't account for fraction of days in a year. New Year drifted over the centuries. A Monk calculated precisely how to fix it and Pope Gregory declared this is the new calendar. The Gregorian calendar introduced leap years.
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