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SpaceNut ... you did NOT tell the AI that this building is on Mars!
The gravity is less.
There is no water for mortar.
The 1/2 bar pressure inside the dome holds it up.
Please rerun your conversation and let the AI know these important facts.
Calliban has given you a drawing and numbers.
Give those to the AI.... otherwise we are just wasting it's time
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For SpaceNut... The Azure account is still running this morning (15th) but according to this letter it will stop running sometime today.
On 15 November 2028, we'll be retiring F, Fs, Fsv2, Lsv2, G, Gs, Av2, Amv2, and B-series Azure VMs. You won't be able to use or purchase these VMs, or any constrained core sizes that are part of the retiring VM series, after that date.
I took a snapshot of the VM yesterday, so could migrate in the future. However, I am hoping kbd512 will be successful in creating a new image server on the Mars Society servers. That would be a better long term solution.
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For SpaceNut ....
We discussed your roof situation this evening, and everyone expressed sympathy as you try to hold the tarp down with planks. We sympathize because we've all been in tough situations like that, and hope you come through this period of testing OK. We looked at the picture you sent us of the house in November and then in February, with snow on the roof. GW wondered if you have plywood over the joists or planks as I thought. Plywood is the standard material these days.
You said this to Calliban:
The 2 drawings give me the impression that the buildings are also tied into the actual dome for support and strength with each wall contact of vertical rise.
It inspired me to wonder if Calliban might be willing to show a 2D view of a 3D scene, with the city inside the dome. I think that the buildings are in the center of the space under the dome and far from the walls, but I agree that a different picture might help to make that clear.
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I have 20 sheets of this product Advantech 23/32 in. x 4 ft. x 8 ft. T&G OSB Underlayment Panel and additional 10 sheets to complete the roof surface with 23/32 in. x 4 ft. x 8 ft. Dry Guard Oriented Strand Board to which it is not as good for quality as the advantech product.
The wind was so strong over the night that the tarp was ripped off and is now on the ground.
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For SpaceNut ... Thanks for confirmation you do have plywood over the rafters you showed us in the early picture. The one with snow must have been after you put the plywood covering over the rafters.
Sorry to hear about the failure of the tarp solution. Best wishes for finding a way to keep the tarp on the roof. C-Clamps came to mind, but they are probably not something you have on hand.
Regarding the mirrors topic.... thanks for the tip that Elon might have been thinking of using mirrors to deflect sunlight from the Earth. I had not heard of that in connection with Must, but of course that is not a new idea. Still, if it came from him, it might have more substance than other ideas.
SpaceNut ... you have someone available who knows about bricks. Your comments in the brick topic seem to show you are not reading Calliban's posts. If you read them, you would know that NO such thing as rebar is included in his design.
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For SpaceNut re images of bricks used on Earth....
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 44#p235544
Those should be interesting to compare to what Calliban is talking about.
Have you studied what Calliban is talking about? Is there a chance we (and forum readers might have a chance to learn something?)
Calliban has talked about "Class A" brick.... are any of the brick you showed us "Class A"?
I am guessing not, but perhaps one is. If one is, which one?
Have you studied Calliban's drawing of the dome and how it is constructed?
What do you think? Is that a plan that would work on Mars? Leave Earth behind. The gravity is less, and the atmosphere is near vacuum.
Let's see if we can understand what Calliban is proposing.
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For SpaceNut re link to topic about buried domes...
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 63#p223363
Thanks for remembering this topic, and bringing it back into view!
The drawings are very similar to Calliban's current work.
I wonder if there is any way we (NewMars members) could remember things better. You are certainly showing a good example by remembering Calliban's earlier work.
One of the interesting items in the topic you just showed us is an item I missed or forgot... Calliban reported that it is possible to design a geodesic dome with pieces that are all the same length! That is pretty amazing! It seems to me a computer might be able to do a decent job of calculating how to set up such a building frame.
Just FYI ... I have tried to bring up bedrock, but so far I haven't seen any mention of the importance of setting the base of a massive building on bedrock. At present, we humans have very limited ability to know where bedrock is on Mars. There may be some data collected by satellites that could be helpful, but I'll bet no one has sifted that data looking for bedrock.
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This is housekeeping. Did you put the tarp back up yet? Did you decide on a way to hold the tarp against wind?
I would use C-clamps if I had them. Nails seem (to me) like a poor choice for this situation.
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For SpaceNut re new posts on Wednesday 2025/11/19
SpaceX - Starlink Internet by Void [ New posts ]
Science, Technology, and Astronomy 13 Today 20:14:04 by SpaceNut
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Blue Origin Unmanned Missions by tahanson43206 [ New posts ]
Unmanned probes 9 Today 20:08:59 by SpaceNut
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Why Artemis is “better” than Apollo. by RGClark [ New posts ] [ 1 2 ]
Human missions 26 Today 17:36:02 by SpaceNut
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Brick on Mars by tahanson43206 [ New posts ]
Science, Technology, and Astronomy 18 Today 17:18:51 by SpaceNut
Solid reading all! Nicely done!
The quotation about bedrock was particularly interesting in the context of Calliban's proposed brick dome ... I get the impression the bedrock of frozen lava may be several hundred meters down in many locations. The regolith to might brick might be drawn from the trench needed to reach bedrock.
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For SpaceNut ...
I have started a new topic in Engineering >> Projects
Please hold off on making a contribution until we secure Calliban's comments.
I have a vision for this topic that is different from almost everything we've created in this forum.
My hope is that Calliban will agree to serve as the manager for the project.
Instead of freestyle inputs, I'm hoping we might create posts under Calliban's direction.
For example, if Calliban asked for a post about how to make brick on Mars, your search skills might allow you to create a post that exactly matches Calliban's request. The problem we have is that as an Administrator we cannot edit or remove your post, so if it is not well matched to whatever Calliban wants, we have a bump in the flow.
I'd like this new topic to become a flow chart and item list for someone developing a plan for implementation on Mars.
We have plenty of topics available for members to show their creative thinking.
You can communicate with Calliban using the Calliban Postings topic.
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That is why I started the wiki companion format for topics that should be more than just discusion.
Through it seems that this has failed due to this being more of a discusion forum it would seem.
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For SpaceNut ... I logged in just now to report on a discovery about phpBB3.
However, I reread Post #3935 ... i don't think your wiki idea has failed, necessarily. It may just be waiting for it's time. We are staying in "business" with a small group of regular members who contribute posts according to their interests. There's not a lot of discussion these days. The forum appears to be more of a personal blog for members to write about their personal interests. Occasionally someone writes something that others find interesting enough to generate a post or two. If this is the kind of member we've evolved to attract, then perhaps there is a population of persons who might be interested in the Mars project and see a possible advantage of this forum structure for development of their thoughts and notes. It seems to me that everyone here has learned everything there is to learn, and this forum provides a place to display all that knowledge for posterity.
OK! Speaking of learning... I ** just ** discovered that phpBB3 has a feature that I knew nothing about, but which I ** really ** appreciate. You can test it yourself, since you still have access to the phpBB3 system running on Azure.
I use lower case letters for part of my password, along with numbers, special characters and what not. When I attempted to log into the phpBB3 system just now, unbeknownst to me the caps lock key was turned on, so any lower case characters I entered were converted to upper case. The phpBB3 system does NOT provide a viewing service, so I entered the password incorrectly enough times to trigger a challenge designed to block robot spammer attacks. The system asked me to answer a picture coded question that a robot would (presumably) have difficulty answering. I was happy to see this feature, because it show that phpBB3 authors and maintainers have attempted to address the spammer issue that surely confronts every forum.
I don't know how many times an incorrect login are needed to trigger this response, but it was more than two.
I'd be interested in your observations if you decide to test this feature.
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For SpaceNut re new image of Ziggurat structure!
That is a nice addition to the topic. It shows you are moving ever so slowly toward understanding Calliban's design.
However, you are still (apparently) struggling to understand Calliban's concept. Your text here indicates you do not yet understand his design.
That mean counter compression is not the same externally for the shape of the domes upward pressure rise for the internal shape.
The problem can only be resolved if you actually ** read ** what Calliban wrote.
After you have actually ** read ** what Calliban wrote, then you could create a question for Calliban if you still do not understand his design.
Clearly the AI isn't going to be much help, because it can only work with the information you provide. If you fed the entire post by Calliban into the input window of the AI, you might get better results. You can also use gemini instead of the default Google search engine AI. Gemini is now up to version 3.
If you are struggling with understanding forces at work in a building, there are tools that can help. Calliban already has the ability to create mental pictures with forces properly aligned to insure stability. His words indicate that understanding.
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