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#1 Yesterday 09:45:09
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Maximum Use of Conductors, Distributed Electric Storage, Aspin Farms.
There has been some chatter about lack of copper/conductor materials due to greater electrification of societies.
I think that to some extent this is already contemplated. For instance, Electric Cars might be used to store energy when plugged in. So, not only would a electric car extract energy from the grid, but at times it might distribute it back to the grid.
Homes and other buildings do not draw constant power though their concoctions to the grids. With increased distributed solar, this is going to become even more true.
So, could a utility put batteries at private locations, to utilize the excess capacity of the power lines? Sodium and Aluminum Batteries may work well for this, and would represent a reduced fire risk.
If the utility had data control of these devices, they could control if the batteries were charging or discharging into the main grid. So, to the limits of safety, the power lines could be kept working at near the capacity limits where possible.
Individual buildings would have their own solar systems or not, their own battery systems or not.
When some type of storm or other such disruption would happen, then individual homes might have a period of time when they could draw off of the utility's battery, even if it had been disconnected by problems with the grid.
I do understand that the downside of this would be line losses from sending electricity to a building and then back out of it. But if copper is to be so much in shortage, then this might reduce the amount of additional copper that would be needed in the future.
Most homes may or may not have roof-top solar installations, but in the future, we are hearing about notions of windows that are solar panels, or even paint that could be solar panels. So, continuous or normal draws though the power lines for these homes or buildings will not be as they are now, and an excess capacity to move electric power to storage though existing grid lines, may open up, to move that power to and from batteries that may be on private property but belong to a utility.
And as it is now, especially with solar the largest draw to a home would be in the early evening, and perhaps not so much otherwise.
Something to think about.
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#2 Yesterday 10:11:42
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Re: Maximum Use of Conductors, Distributed Electric Storage, Aspin Farms.
Thinking about post #1 a bit more, perhaps some homes might get a better rate if they could convert over to DC power for internal use in the house. If a Utility had a battery near or at their house, then it could regulate how power from that battery might enter the AC lines. A homeowner could mostly use DC inside their home perhaps. And DC from solar power installations could be sold back to the Utility as DC power.
I am hearing that some appliances such as refrigerators may become battery powered in the future, so perhaps this direction can be considered.
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#3 Yesterday 10:14:24
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Re: Maximum Use of Conductors, Distributed Electric Storage, Aspin Farms.
An EV owner might also get financial incentive to slave the battery pack in their car to allow it use in stabilizing the grid.
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#4 Yesterday 11:26:28
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Re: Maximum Use of Conductors, Distributed Electric Storage, Aspin Farms.
I have added "Aspin Farms" to the title, as I anticipate that it could be an example of what to do with marginal farmland that Tony Seba says is likely to come into disuse. Tony Seba is associated with RethinkX.
RethinkX: https://www.bing.com/search?q=RethinkX& … pc=EDGEXST
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspen_parkland
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There is a tiny amount of it in N.W. Minnesota, I believe.
Where do Aspin grow in N. America? https://www.fs.usda.gov/wildflowers/bea … grow.shtml
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I am sure that there are more southern deciduous trees that could be grown further south. But I am thinking about converting farmland that may be abandoned to become feral, to be groomed instead to resemble Aspin Parklands.
Part of my logic is that you would have robotic groomers. Probably electrically powered, and you would grow Aspens and weed Medows, or if you like artificial prairie.
These lands are likely to have snow on the ground in part of winters, at least.
This could accommodate solar power, much of it being bifacial solar panels. In the summer the Aspens may shade solar to some extent. In the winter they will shade solar to a lesser extent. The snow on the ground will also reflect more sunlight onto the solar in the winter as well.
So, for solar in these higher latitudes this might make a bit of sense.
Mostly the land would not be ploughed, planted or have chemicals dumped onto it.
But some wood, and some organic matter, leaves, and weeds, could be harvested to conduct enclosed pyrolysis on to produce hydrocarbons and also Biochar from pyrolysis.
The Biochar could be incorporated into the soils with firebreaks so that if a patch burned, it could be controlled. I am actually wondering about deep injection of a biochar slurry where sandy or clay soils were available.
Should it be desired, using Aspin Parkland to try to cool off the Earth might be helpful both for Carbon removal from the atmosphere, and for changing the albedo, particularly in wintertime to reflect more sunlight into space, to some degree regulating albedo.
I also see this "Aspin Parkland" as being suitable for habitation in some places, due to Starlink and the existence of solar energy.
This to combat the urban monoculture which is said to be anti-human and to lead to population collapses.
An opinion: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE
I say that these tools may exist, to try to use, if it turns out that RethinkX is correct and also that the Greenhouse effect is a serious issue going forward in time.
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Bifacial Vertical Solar Panels: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifacial_solar_cells
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#5 Yesterday 14:57:44
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Re: Maximum Use of Conductors, Distributed Electric Storage, Aspin Farms.
At the gym, another piece of this occurred to me.
If you understand what "Superpower" is per RethinkX and Tony Seba: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ORM=VAMGZC
It should be possible to heat bricks very hot with Superpower and to use that brick oven to conduct pyrolysis.
In the winter, you would have much less "Superpower", you would perhaps do more pyrolysis in the spring/summer/fall than winter.
It might however be possible to use the same oven as a storage of heat for houses when heat is needed more in the winter.
Some simple non-electric examples:
https://biochar-international.org/about … hnologies/
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http://www.eagri.org/eagri50/AENG352/lec10.pdf
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https://kindle-tech.com/faqs/what-is-th … is-heating
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What is the temperature range for pyrolysis heating? Optimize Your Process for Maximum Efficiency
The temperature of pyrolysis heating varies significantly depending on the type of pyrolysis process, the materials being pyrolyzed, and the desired end products. Generally, pyrolysis temperatures range from 200°C to 1200°C. For example, slow pyrolysis of biomass typically occurs at lower temperatures (200–300°C), while high-temperature pyrolysis for producing pyrocarbon or syn-gas can reach 800–1200°C. Medium-temperature pyrolysis, often used for waste materials, operates between 600–700°C. The specific temperature range is determined by the feedstock, reactor design, and the intended outputs, such as pyrolysis oil, carbon black, or gaseous products.
So, some of this is probably in reach.
It might be possible to run an internal combustion engine off of the produced gasses in some cases to run an electric generator, but pollution is a potential but not huge problem.
As for the Biochar produced, it could be spread into soil as like they apparently did in the Amazon, or I think, hydraulically injected as a slurry deep into soil. Or you could use existing bogs, or even create bogs to store the materials, so long as you have a trusted source of water to keep that bob wet.
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