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#1 2025-08-11 06:30:18
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Energy Concepts: Embodied Energy, Operational Energy, Other?
With temporary permission presumed (th), I see a need to lay down the bones of this so as to make it more possible to use the ideas more efficiently in conversations about things like energy.
Tell me if you want something else done, please.
My intention here is to make the words less magical, and more understandable as mutual language options in conversation of members.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embodied_energy
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Embodied energy is the sum of all the energy required to produce any goods or services, considered as if that energy were incorporated or 'embodied' in the product itself. The concept can help determine the effectiveness of energy-producing or energy saving devices, or the "real" replacement cost of a … See more
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A higher embodied energy level in buildings can be justified if it contributes to lower operational energy over the life of the building.
In the UK, a study found that the embodied energy in some commercial buildings was much as 30 times the annual operational energy use (ref. Rawlinson 2007).designingbuildings.co.uk
A study of Swedish low- energy buildings found that in one case the initial embodied energy was as much as 40% of the energy consumed by the building through its 50-year life (ref. Thormark 2002).
Perhaps over time this post can be modified, but for now, I see it as a root reference point.
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#2 2025-08-11 06:45:50
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Re: Energy Concepts: Embodied Energy, Operational Energy, Other?
As far as I can tell energy is a connection between the cold of the expanding universe, and the conversion of mass to energy. Perhaps not an absolute definition but a start for trying to understand the process.
Iron seems to be the matter which can least offer mass that can be converted to energy emergence. Matter being static and energy being motion sort of, I think.
It appears that anything lighter than Iron can be fused to allow the conversion of some mass to an energy process, and anything heavier than Iron maybe can be fissioned to allow some mass to be converted to energy.
If someone can give a better method of words in this then I would be interested in hearing that.
But if we believe in a Big Bang process as being at least part of the explanation of where the universe came from, then at least under the effects of a Big Bang, matter condensed out of a soup of particles that came from: (Bull-Manure that does not abide by the rules of our universe as currently observed).
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There is some notion that Iron can be at least in part converted to Energy by a black hole, but I am not less than confused as to what goes on with that.
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#3 2025-08-11 06:52:04
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Re: Energy Concepts: Embodied Energy, Operational Energy, Other?
So, then with Hydrocarbons + Oxygen = energy emissions and material byproducts, this is of course an energy storage device that we humans did not create. The energy storage mostly came from Fusion in the sun, I believe.
This energy storage device works well, until it does not. If you run out of fuel or Oxygen or if you experience interference from human social processes, it becomes inconvenient or inaccessible.
As I have read, the combustion process requires a continuous input of embodied energy to sustain its existence while it exists, and this is after the original embodied energy to create the control and exploitation of the combustion process.
Solar is similar, as you have to create a control and exploitation process and then you can capture the energy from a different kind from the sun. That is mostly from fusion I am told, but I suppose there may be a little fission and some collapse energy in that output of Photons.
In post the phrase "lower operational energy" is of interest.
I think I will let this cook in the mind for a while and see if a greater fertility of thinking will produce understanding or bad odors.
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