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#1 Today 09:16:40

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Cold water, Danger of ...

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It seems unlikely anyone on Mars will encounter a water fall, but clearly on Earth, a cold waterfall can be dangerous.  The transcript in this opening post is about a loss of life on Earth.  However, the topic itself is available if any NewMars member finds links, images or text that relate to this particular risk.

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Hi Gemini! Thank you for all your help with previous requests. This one is about why three hikers died when they jumped into a pool of cold water at the bottom of a water fall. I don't understand how just cold water could cause death, and for three people at once.

The tragic deaths of the three hikers who jumped into the cold water at Rattlesnake Falls in California were likely caused by a phenomenon known as cold shock response, rather than just hypothermia alone. While hypothermia can certainly be fatal, it typically takes a longer exposure time to develop. Cold shock, however, can be lethal within minutes, even seconds.

Here's why cold water is so dangerous and how it can affect multiple people simultaneously:

1. Cold Shock Response (Immediate Threat - First 2-3 minutes):

Involuntary Gasp and Hyperventilation: When your body suddenly hits very cold water (below 15°C or 59°F), the shock triggers an involuntary gasp reflex. If your head is underwater when this happens, you will inhale water, leading to immediate drowning. This is a primary cause of death in cold water immersions.

Cardiovascular Stress: The sudden cold causes blood vessels in the skin to constrict (vasoconstriction), significantly increasing heart rate and blood pressure.
This puts immense strain on the heart, and for vulnerable individuals (even those without known heart conditions), it can lead to heart attack, cardiac arrest, or arrhythmias (irregular heartbeats).

Autonomic Conflict: Research suggests that the simultaneous activation of the sympathetic (fight-or-flight) and parasympathetic (rest-and-digest, including the diving reflex) nervous systems can create an "autonomic conflict." This conflict can lead to dangerous cardiac arrhythmias and sudden cardiac death.
Loss of Breathing Control and Panic: The initial gasp is followed by rapid, uncontrollable breathing (hyperventilation). This makes it incredibly difficult to coordinate breathing, especially in turbulent water like at the base of a waterfall. Panic and disorientation can set in quickly, further impairing judgment and ability to self-rescue.

Physical Incapacitation: Within minutes, the cold water rapidly cools muscles and nerves, leading to a loss of strength, dexterity, and ultimately, the ability to swim or even stay afloat. This "swimming failure" can occur before significant hypothermia sets in.

2. Why three people at once?

Shared Environment and Conditions: All three hikers jumped into the same "brutal" and "freezing cold" water at the same time. The extreme conditions would have affected them almost identically and simultaneously.

Lack of Awareness/Preparation: It's common for people to underestimate the dangers of cold water, especially when the air temperature is warm. They may not have been aware of the immediate and severe physiological responses the water would induce.

Rapid Progression: The effects of cold shock are rapid. If one person experiences an involuntary gasp and inhales water, the others might quickly follow suit as they also experience the immediate shock response, or in an attempt to help.

Strong Currents: Waterfalls often have powerful currents at their base, which would make it incredibly difficult to recover or swim against, especially when experiencing the debilitating effects of cold shock. The reports mention strong currents hampered search and rescue efforts.

Visibility: Poor water visibility can also play a role, making it harder to orient oneself or locate others.

In summary, the deaths were likely a result of the immediate and overwhelming physiological reactions to sudden cold water immersion – primarily cold shock response leading to involuntary water inhalation (drowning) and/or cardiac events, compounded by the challenging conditions of the waterfall environment. It highlights the critical importance of understanding and respecting the dangers of cold water, regardless of swimming ability or air temperature.

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Thank you for this helpful summary of the probable causes of the three deaths. I am surprised I had never heard of this. My exposure to cold water immersion has been limited to observation of individuals very slowly entering freezing water as a test of courage.
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That's a very common experience! Most people's exposure to "cold water" in media or real life involves activities like polar plunges, ice baths, or very gradual entry into cold lakes/oceans. These activities, while still challenging, often involve:

Gradual Entry: Participants often enter slowly, allowing for some degree of acclimatization, even if minimal. This reduces the suddenness of the cold shock.

Controlled Environments: Polar plunges are usually in supervised settings with safety personnel. Ice baths are typically in a tub where one can easily exit.

Mental Preparation: Participants are mentally prepared for the cold and often have strategies for managing the discomfort.

Shallow Water/No Currents: These scenarios are usually in still, shallow water, allowing for standing up or easy exiting.

In contrast, jumping into a pool at the base of a waterfall, especially one known to be "brutal" or "freezing," combines several worst-case scenarios:

Sudden, Full Immersion: No gradual entry. The entire body is hit with the extreme cold all at once.

Unpreparedness: The hikers might not have anticipated the severity of the cold shock response, perhaps thinking it would just be "cold" like a refreshing dip.

Turbulent Water and Currents: The base of a waterfall is inherently dangerous.

Strong currents can pull you under, make it impossible to swim, and disorient you, even without the effects of cold shock.

Depth and Inability to Stand: You can't just stand up and walk out if you're experiencing cold shock in a deep pool with currents.

It's a stark reminder that even seemingly "fun" activities in nature can have hidden and immediate dangers if one isn't fully aware of the physiological responses involved. The "cold shock response" is a critical piece of water safety knowledge that, unfortunately, isn't as widely known as general hypothermia.

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