Time Cycles that may influence Humans, other.

Void · 2025-06-19 09:38:47

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … 56de93c124 Quote:

The Surprising Link Between the Sun and Social Revolutions ✊ The Solar Light Spectrum ☀️
YouTube
Stefan Burns

The ideas of this video prompt me to create this topic. If we have better awareness of what might influence human behaviors, then we may hope to ride the cycles and not as much be dragged around by them.

11 years is the average time of a solar cycle, it is said: https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/10804
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Approximately 11-year
The sunspot cycle is a regular, approximately 11-year cycle, during which the number of sunspots increases and decreases over time. The exact length of the cycle can vary, and it has been as short as eight years and as long as fourteen years. However, the length of the cycle is, on average, around eleven years.
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I would be very interested in the fluctuation of red light / infrared light with the solar cycle.

Now though people do artificial Red Light /Infared Light. Also, now in "Modernized" countries, most people do not work manually in farm fields, under sunlight. Therapy with light is an actual thing. So, if our sun has 11 or 12 year variations that could be important. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_therapy

So, I am sort of viewing this as potentially a sort of clock function that you might have in a computer. Minimum might be the 0 and Maximum the 1. So, for periods of time things would get put into the "Todo" bin, but maybe at the Maximum, a clock pulse occurs, and actions are taken on the To Do's.

I would also wonder how this could fit into the claimed "Fourth Turning" cycles.

While it is sensible to understand that where most people inside the agricultural revolution had to work in the fields, in the times of a year where the crops could grow, in so called "Modern" times, this is much less true, except for the relatively undeveloped world.

Now, with the opportunity to be rational, we can ponder the human feature of skin pigment, individual or collective time in the sun, and the wearing of clothing. We often think of short waves such as UV light in this regard, but how do skin tones affect the body response to red and Infared light?

Although I have every reason to believe that I sort of belong to the "White" type, at one point a police officer did ask me if I considered myself to be white. A curious question. Given some sunlight I will tend to have a sort of orange tone. This may be from "Pict" ancestry. The concept of "White" has changed over time anyway. I am definitely not typewriter paper white.

I am not trying to open a door for victim cash-in's though.

A thing I have become aware of concerning the skin tone is the question, "Why did Europeans turn white?". The answer, I believe is "Because they could".

Why do most cave animals turn white? Well, if they have the genes for it, and they do not need protection from sunlight then the process of turning white is in not paying the biological expense to have pigment.

I think it would be good for people to regard it that way rather then to think in terms of racial "Teams" and tribal warfare.

But a useful point is to inquire if different skin tones lead to different reactions to solar minimum and solar maximum.
If so, is it a particular part of the spectrum of light that is the cause?

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https://discoverwildscience.com/deep-in … -1-322888/ Quote:

Lack pigment
Cave animals are often white or translucent because they lack pigment and have no need for camouflage or coloration to attract mates. They also have no eyes or eyes that are poorly developed12

So, there may be a cosmetic issue with pigment. If you spend more time in a low light or blue light circumstance (Indoors), your attractiveness may be perceived differently. And in different lighting conditions the semaphore function of the face may be affected as per communicativeness.

Lots of material to consider.

I believe that the Innuit did not turn white simply because they never inter-mated with people with the genes for pale skin. Some people have thought it was the vitamin D issue as they supposedly got enough from their food, but I don't think vitamin D is the whole story. Even if the pressure was there to become pale, if the genes were not available because of a lack of migration from possessors of such genes and also a lack of a mutation, they could not become pale.

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tahanson43206 · 2025-06-19 09:50:50

This post is reserved for an index to posts that may be contributed by NewMars members over time.

Index:

In particular, I am hoping someone in the membership will explore the Kondratiev Cycle:

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According to an historian I've read recently, we are in the midst of one right now, and disruption is a characteristic, with innovation and wars.

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Void · 2025-06-19 10:15:56

Very good "Kondratiev Cycle"(th). I will take a look at it.

One that has rumors around it is the Moon cycle.

This might have mattered for night-time activities such as hunting or procreation.

I have been told that females cycle together if they are in a building, so going from irritable and unhappy to exuberant, perhaps.

Some have said that this is due to the Moon, which never made sense to me, but a full moon, might be an opportunity to do hanky-panky which might be suppressed socially during the day. In centuries ago, times, it was common for people to sleep in two sessions, they would get up in the night and do something. Although this could be prayers, it might also be things that a social rigor imposed during the day would not allow.

But then the tides. Many people have lived and do live near the tides. This might affect nutrition, and then would be very important to time female fertility. For instance, the first month of a pregnancy could be very important in that regard, to have a successful pregnancy.

I feel it is better to try to understand and to "See", than to bump your head on objects in the dark.

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Void · 2025-06-19 17:41:53

I thought I might look for evidence of some of what I said in the previous post: https://www.sciencing.com/do-ocean-tide … s-5535690/ Quote:

How Do Ocean Tides Affect Humans?
By Tyler Lacoma Updated Mar 24, 2022
Read More: https://www.sciencing.com/do-ocean-tide … s-5535690/

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-libra … n-emotions
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LUNAR EFFECT - BIOLOGICAL TIDES AND HUMAN EMOTIONS
NCJ Number 63700
Author(s)
A L Lieber
Date Published 1978
Length 183 pages
Annotation
THE EFFECTS OF LUNAR PERIODICITY ON HUMAN EMOTIONS, AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR, AND CRIME RATES ARE DESCRIBED IN THIS POPULARIZED STUDY OF SOCIAL AND ASTRONOMICAL PHENOMENA.

https://shunspirit.com/article/do-new-m … full-moons
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Influence on human biology Recent research suggests the lunar cycle may have a subtle influence on biological processes, including sleep, the female menstrual cycle, and mood swings in people with bipolar disorder.

I have had a somewhat silly theory that periodically the fertile women in a village get crabby on the same cycle and then the men that are able leave the village to go kill things because of it. Thus, procuring animal food for the females to eat.

But of course I am wondering if a Lunar Tide could produce timing of relative abundance of food and other resource procurement that may be convenient for a womans first month of pregnancy.

Well I have something. I was looking for low tides and high tides: https://astrobackyard.com/how-the-moon- … the-tides/ But there are two of each during one Moon orbit.

OK, due to the Sun and Moon together, this is much more complex than I had yet considered. However I was looking for the Low Tides, and the High Tides. At low tide people could collect food that is stranded in tidal pools, and apparently that would happen most strongly two times a month.

High tides are interesting as they might wash some things up, but I don't think quality food would come that way. Although I recently read an article that indicated that Neanderthals may have eaten magots. But that is disgusting but maybe a very hungry person could do that. I don't know if that could be made safe. Maybe somehow with fire?

https://www.science.org/content/article … their-diet
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Neanderthals may have eaten maggots as part of their diet
High nitrogen in Neanderthal bones doesn’t mean they were uber-carnivores
19 Mar 202511:10 AM ETByAnn Gibbons

So, then maybe dead fish as lures for insects and for magots? Yum-Yum!

But in much later era's perhaps high tides would affect the ability to run fishing boats, although I am not educated in the details of that technology.

So, I have another sort of, maybe thing.

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OK, dead fish as a lure:

https://fishyfeatures.com/the-shocking- … -revealed/
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The Shocking Truth About What Eats Dead Fish – Revealed!
Kurt Roberts

Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to scroll the article.

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The ocean is a mysterious place, filled with wonders both beautiful and terrifying. One of its greatest mysteries is the question of what happens to dead fish. With so many creatures swimming around, it’s easy to imagine that there are countless scavengers ready to feast on the remains of a fallen fish. But the truth is more complicated than that.
From deep-sea worms to opportunistic gulls, a wide range of creatures play a role in consuming dead fish. But the circle of life doesn’t end there. Bacteria, fungi, and other microorganisms are essential to the process of decomposition, breaking down the fish and returning its nutrients to the ecosystem.
In this article, we’ll explore the fascinating world of dead fish and the creatures that feast on them. We’ll examine the top predators and opportunistic scavengers, as well as the microscopic organisms that break down the remains. And along the way, we’ll discover the surprising ways in which dead fish can actually be beneficial to the ecosystem.
Get ready to dive deep into the world of what eats dead fish, and prepare to be amazed by the strange and wondrous creatures that call the ocean their home.

So, for instance if you could have a throwing stick you might injure a bird that came to feed and capture it. Similarly, perhaps other animals such as crabs? perhaps?

So, I don't really know if a high tide would provide relatively new dead fish, but maybe.

And I do not have a great deal of understanding of any kind of timing that the tides would give. Although some types of fish traps might work better with certain types of tides.

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Void · 2025-06-23 20:22:13

I have been thinking about a collection of things. Eating flies, Vitamin D, Vitamin B12, Iodine. Hair on Humans, Pigmentation.

To me eating fly's is a gross thing but eating magots would be as well, but in post #4, a thread deals in that.

As far as cycles go, I think this fits into the seasons of the year, when there are seasons.

Do humans eat flies? https://blog.entomologist.net/which-cou … sects.html
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Humans eat insects in various parts of the world, including Africa12345. In East Africa, villagers catch flies and turn them into fly burgers, which are more nutritious than beef burgers3. The most widely eaten insects in Africa include grasshoppers, locusts, crickets, termites, mopane worms, and palm weevils5.

And I have read that Chimpanzees do eat bugs including flies.

I have thought about it and if you were starving and did not have a germ theory, you might benefit from flies. Most animals cannot do so. A dog might snap at flies that are buzzing around their heads, and sometime catch one. Cattle like animals must endure them, maybe accidentally ingesting one with grass. But these animals without hands and arms to slap at flies, can only mostly suffer under the attention of flies.

The human with bare hairless skin can be attractive to some insects. The salt in sweat is attractive, and it may even be that we have a smell that will attract them. There are some theories that humans smell unattractive to most carnivores. The conversation on the web does not strongly support that. But anyway, humans as a attractant of insects that could be consumed, I think that is interesting.

It could be argued that hair on top of the head may serve as a sunshade, but of course many men lose their hair over time. Some insects like sandflies/horseflies can be captured trying to get into your hair though.

It is interesting that winter, may eliminate flies as a option.

I am just speculating that Homo Erectus might have eaten flies, and may have been attractive to them. Some such may have had no notion that they could get sick from it.

In some small isolated populations there might not have been a parasite cycle. It may not have evolved at those times.

These could have been a source of Vitamin B12 if a population was somehow mostly vegetarian.

Recently Subway Travel has become repulsive for various reasons, but Covid-19 was one. With human population, large, like a random number generator, the emergence of more pests seems possible. Of course, Covid-19 was to some degree, maybe even to a larger degree than is thought intentional. There are those who support accelerationism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism
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Accelerationism is a range of ideologies that call for the drastic intensification of capitalist growth, technological change, and other processes of social change to destabilize existing systems and create radical social transformations.[1][2][3][4][5] It is an ideological spectrum divided into mutually contradictory left-wing and right-wing variants, both of which support aspects of capitalism such as societal change and technological progress.[6][7][8]

The use of humanoid robots and self driving cars may reduce the chances that such idiots can effectively poison our social structures with pathogens. But they will be a social disruption themselves.

https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/history-of-cretinism/
I have run across talk on the internet that indicates that Chimpanzees may avoid it by consuming algae.
https://reasons.org/explore/blogs/the-c … -for-algae
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Science News Flash: Chimps Use Tools to Fish for Algae
by Fazale Rana
November 16, 2016

An impression I have is that the algae might have what is needed to avoid Cretinism.

Some people think that the Pygmies are the root stock of humans. They lived in forests where some shade allowed them to have a medium tone of skin. If humans did actually come "Out of Africa", then I wonder why northern peoples to some degree became hairy?

Body Hair is easy to get confused about, I think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_hair
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It is also true that parasites can live on and in hair thus peoples who preserved their body hair would have required greater general hygiene to prevent diseases.[11]

So, yes, the distribution of sweat glands as well.

Little bit of racism here, not intended to be of harm: https://teachnthrive.com/history-passag … body-hair/ Quote:

Humans have less body hair than their great ape ancestors. Yet they still have a lot of body hair compared to many animals. There is a lot of diversity among mankind regarding body types. This includes body hair. Geographically, those from the Mediterranean and the Middle East seem to be the hairiest.

So, that is strange, I would have expected northern people to be more hairy. So, therefore I do not know enough about this. I don't know if they needed to be more masculine due to lots of bloodshed?

You just about have to wear clothing to live in the true north, perhaps that helps to understand.

I guess I will say that I don't know.

But I would be interested in what portion of the historical human diet, could have involved insects that are attracted to perspiration and to blood, and body odor.

I would not expect that to involve things like grasshoppers and ants.

But the insects which ever type likely could be seasonal.

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