Humanoid and other robots.

Void · 2024-11-27 12:27:43

You can see about post #48 here, bee farming. By using robots to manage the hives, pollinators can be favored, and also the honey making process. A more humanin way to kill predators that raid beehives, may be a robot with an air suction device, that also crushes the insects. While that sounds cruel, it is perhaps less cruel than letting them die on sticky paper.

I also imagine leaf harvesters in deciduous sections of a managed temperate savannah environment, where, the Leafs serve as feedstock, for production of organic chemicals.

For instance using solar powered or wind powered pyrolysis, then fuel gasses such as Methane might be obtained, and yet also biochar produced. The robots could redistribute the biochar into the forest. (Similar might be done with grassy, flower fields).

Calliban has recently indicated a method invented, (China), for making starch from electrolysis>Methanol>>>

So, I anticipate that finding a way to convert Methane to Methanol, and plugging into that starch method, then tree leafs can be a source of food.

Then the biochar, which may contain some nutrients could be distributed into the forest by robots.

As leaf falls are seasonal, then the robots would do other tasks when not involved in the leaf "Crop".

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By the way the above would be a Carbon sequester process as well. It is hard for biochar Carbon to reinsert into the biological web, so it takes time.

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Void · 2024-12-09 21:48:38

This is only partly about Optimus Robot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeuhzS9Qg7E
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Things Getting Crazy at Tesla / Optimus Removes Code / Dojo Gen 3 / Groundbreaking EV Study ⚡️
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If real, then it is very significant, I feel.

So, I can imagine the robot being able to at least do light outside work like raking leaves or grass. Grooming plants and so on. Perhaps seasonally, and then doing other tasks otherwise.

It is my opinion that this along with precision fermentation, might allow turning some farmland into parkland / Solar facilities / Semi-rural housing units.

You might have a harvest of dead vegetation and then to treat that with pyrolysis, producing chemicals and also Biochar, which the robots could return to the land. The chemicals harvested might be used in precision fermentation perhaps.

So, not wild in the sense that weird people might want. Historically art toggles between scenes of wilderness, and scenes of well groomed parks. Maybe a bit between those two but also allowing for solar and wind power.

Having humans live in such groomed wilderness, would allow local consumption of distributed power.

In building "Social Systems", I think we should seek distributed structure rather than centralized structure. Centralized structure is too vulnerable to Fascist, Socialist, and Communist thinking in my opinion. As it turns out it may be a good thing that the USA has not maintained a strong passenger train system, as it seems that self driving vehicles may serve better, and help avoid paving the road to hell for power hungry Idiot Alpha types.

Someday maybe we will revive something like trains with self-driving vehicles linking up to them, or not.

Yes, I know that there are solar haters and wind haters, but the technologies will very likely continue to improve over time. It is not likely that the weaknesses now present will remain uncorrected and unimproved over time.

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This is just something I happen to like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMmO2IsIvd8
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Void · 2024-12-12 18:14:26

Working on Space Stations, on the Moon, on Mars, walking fairly deep on the floor of the oceans. Perhaps?
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE
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It Happened! Elon Musk Confirmed 4 BIG Changes Tesla Bot Gen 3 Optimus Shock ALL! Detail Explain!
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I don't think the above is the one I saw on my phone. I will continue to search for it.

This might be it: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE

OK, I don't thing Bing is finding it with this query: "Utube, Techno Creators, It's Happened! Elon Musk Confirmed Tesla Bot Gen3 Optimus Next Movement Features! Detail Explain!"

But the version I watched on my phone seemed to claim that Optimus could work 1000 meters under water????

I haven't been drinking. We will have to see.

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Void · 2024-12-21 09:20:05

Some robot blab: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ORM=WRVORC
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It Happened! Elon Musk Confirmed Tesla Bot Gen 3 Optimus 2025 HUGE Upgrade Features, Insane Task!
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A bit of a repeat, but robots will be able to work on space stations, inside and out.

Also, again down to as much as 1000 meters under water.

I am impressed.

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Void · 2025-01-11 12:29:39

More robot stuff: https://www.youtube.com/c/brighterteslaherbert
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One thing I am wondering about is could a human & Optimus pair be useful?

That is a human having a apprentice/helper to help get some tasks done. Perhaps you would bring your robot to work a task, and take it home with you after work hours. This would be different than expecting the robot to operate entirely autonomous.

For instance, installing Dry Wall, and taping dry wall might be such a task.

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Void · 2025-01-12 20:30:41

Well, I have another orphan to put here: https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 56#p229056
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But the memberships work, have caused me to think I see a convenient convergence of possibilities at this point.
1) I would say that before a Starship is sent to Mars, there is going exist a desire to prove life support in space.
2) You might want to test some animals under synthetic gravity.
3) You might want to test Optimus Robots in such a ship, and perhaps to use teleoperation with them.
4) You might want to be able to use Dragon for limited visits to such a Starship.
So, if you would spin one end over end, it may be able to simulate both 1/6 and .38 g forces.
It would make sense to keep this activity in LEO, so that radiation does not become a huge issue and to make access easier.
The Elevator may make it possible for access to the cabin area airlock, or it might make sense to put ballast on the ships tail end to cause the center of rotation to be at the location of an airlock/docking port.
Maybe this would be done so that a Dragon could facilitate visits to this test device, from another space station like the ISS, if it is still functional.
Humans might stay for a few days, to get a feal for things like body fluids migrations, and perhaps some other factors.
The Optimus when teleoperated either from another space Station or the surface of the Earth, might be able to manage the test animals.
So, you would be testing the ships' reliability, and the Optimus, and the Animals in fractional gravitation. For instance, you may want to test it over long time durations, such as 6 months or 9 months, or a simulated trip to Mars and back.
After all if it is going to go to Mars and back, it has to be very reliable.
And it looks to me that these things are likely to be possible in the next couple of years.
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Not enough room in that town for all of us, I guess.

But this made me realize that very probably many people will go to LEO less to work than to be a tourist.

If robots are going to take over the work on Earth over time, then how much better would they be in orbit as they do not have the same bodily functions and so not as much of a life support burden.

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Void · 2025-01-14 09:17:51

If these things work as is anticipated, it will be necessary for competition of almost every company to use Humanoid Robots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGtoXQw3Lo4
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Mind-Blowing Humanoid Robot Walked Outside (The Internet Exploded)
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It looks like a new world is coming, like it or not.

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Void · 2025-01-18 11:39:44

If you have time for it, this is an interesting video, to a large extent about the robot hands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ryWf8StWjk
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I have previously been interested in robots on the Moon, as the time latency is not impossible to work with.

But now I am thinking about Starship@LEO, and Space Manufacturing.

Currently the idea is like the ISS, with humans as the actuators, and the massive life support that that requires.

Alternately some companies are toying with a smaller scale space manufacturing with a capsule return of the product.

But Starship@LEO with Optimus would possibly be a low cost route to a higher volume production level.

While there can be alternative configurations, one that might pay well would be to launch a Starship to orbit with raw materials and the needed tools including a high-grade Optimus, could launch, manufacture, and land with created product, to a tower catch. You would avoid rendezvous and docking to another space object. No space toilet and showers needed. No food and little water needed.

While Optimus might do some self-directed actions, it also could be teleoperated using star link, I would suppose. Teleoperation from Earth could be from humans and/or supercomputers on the Earth's surface.

If the ships cabin had air pressurization, that could be Nitrogen or Argon, or Oxygen or Methane. You could have clean room type circumstances. As there would be Nitrogen or Argon, or Oxygen or Methane, the air cooling on robots would be workable.

While Microgravity Manufacturing is the main target for now, I also speculate that by tumbling a Starship per Dr. Johnson's concepts, you would do low gravity experiments to simulate the Moon and/or Mars, and also could do some experiments in low gravity Manufactuing.

I am interested in Lobster foot for Optimus working on these ships.

It is hard to believe that this exists but it is easy to see how it could be useful in microgravity or low gravity: https://brightside.me/articles/the-afri … ot-814508/ Quote: 84203653dbab2e6a2b8eaccc4e.jpg.webp

So, such a foot could grip hand holds, and could have eyes on it for local vision. But it also might be possible to use it to manipulate some objects. And even so, especially in low gravity it might still function to be able to walk on it.

It is probably not too good for persistence hunting on the savannah, but we will not be hunting antelope in space, except maybe in animal reserves in artificial gravity habitats. (Probably a dumb idea anyway).

The infatuation with extreme athletics, for historically efficient ways to get meat, is probably wrongly directed in the notion of what can be useful to humans of the future. That is my current opinion.

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Void · 2025-01-19 11:07:31

So, I have been trying to get some notion in my head of which cases of space manufacturing would support periodic or continual microgravity use.

Obviously this is very murky, hard to know.

Reusable Starship is said to have a payload capacity of 100 to 150 tons. If you divided that in half, then 50-75 tons, where each half could be devoted to a maker in one case and raw materials in the other case.

A maker would be like a manufacturing line, but some special robots like Optimus might be included.

Presumably if there were no waste then you would bring back a tonnage of product of 50-75 tons. If it is a drug, that is a lot. If fiber optic cables maybe not so much.

With a periodic Starship to microgravity Starship, then you must pay over and over again to lift the maker to orbit and to land it. On the other hand, each time that starship landed the maker could be deeply serviced with maintenance, repairs, and calibrations.

But if you did your Manufactuing continually in a LEO space station, you must do the servicing in orbit, which may be beyond what Optimus could do for now, so then you probably have to involve humans. But in that case you could lift 100-150 tons of raw materials and optimally return 100-150 tons of product with each Starship flight.

I will imagine that both methods will exist as different products may be involved.

Statistically their will be loss of ship events. So, periodic may be more susceptible to that. So, reliability of repeatable success, will matter.

But periodic may be done without humans, their dirt, and the life support they require.

If you don't have Oxygen in the cabin, you are not likely to get fires in the cabin, so that offers liberty as to materials in use.

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Void · 2025-01-20 12:24:08

Well Tesla Cars do have a robotic nature: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE Quote:

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I think this will suit North America quite a bit and I think may enhance individuality. It will free us of subways and passenger trains, I expect.

Without inventive vigilance we risk decaying into a "Lords and Ladies" culture, with parasitic metering.

The empowering of the individual is what places in North America has to offer. Maybe not the only places in the world.

Individuality if too expensive, may be hard to afford though. But with what Tesla and others are doing, we may be able to make American young again, and prevent the decay into old world cultural structures.

The problem with a "Lords and Ladies" metered culture, is that it can become parasitic. There is an urge on the part of the "Lords and Ladies" to squeeze the metering to be able to expand the featherbedding in the numbers of the controlling entity.

Such cultures are relatively easy to be taken over by socialists and communists and fascists of the old world character.

So, really good. We probably get more individuality while becoming more efficient.

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I forgot to mention Covid-19, and the like. I think this arrangement would be much better for sanitation, if necessary, as it could adapt. It might become less efficient under those situations, but would be more sanitary than Subways, and Passenger trains.

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Void · 2025-01-21 11:37:35

I want to explain my attitude towards a "Lords and Ladies" culture. I only want it to be reasonably kept in check for the American culture. I think careless export of American methods to overwrite cultures with royalty as part of the method, is dangerous. The French and Russian revolutions are examples of that.

The empowerment of individualism is a preference, if you can afford it.

Royalty as in the UK is like having cats that keep the rats out. Or a dog if you prefer.

My observations on what works is a partnership between a republic and a constitutional monarchy. In the actual world that seems to have worked to some degree.

I will tend to become rabid in my thinking when I see people in the Democrat party, acting "Royal", as if they were entitled plantation owners. Not that I necessarily will have joy over every republican behavior in that party.

I want the American experiment to continue and improve. Leave us that, and we are not likely to bite you. Maybe a bark here and there.

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Void · 2025-02-04 09:06:54

This Peter Zeihan episode is about wind and a compairison of wind to solar power: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … a8bce89d49

Why I am putting it here is partly because the Zeihan topic is being used and I will be quickly overwritten and ignored there. But Peter Zeihan mentions an important factor in solar power, and says it's manufacture is eyes and hands, which is an expense.

Optimus Robot might be able to do the work, but I suspect that a "Next" robot with smaller hands might also be useful.
If your labor goes from $25.00 per hour down to $1.00 per hour or less, then hardware's price drops.

Granted, China may be using slave labor, or not. But at some point the costs of shipping might render the cost of manufacture less important.

As for Batteries, it is my impression that new chemistries are leaning less and less on costly/scarce materials.

The prices do seem to keep dropping.

But it was great to see Mr. Zeihan point out the strengths of wind power.

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Void · 2025-02-13 12:54:51

So I went to a grocery store today and encountered a Tennant T380AMR device.

Out in public cleaning the floors. I decided to follow it around for a bit to identify its identity. I made mistakes misjudging what it was going to do, got in it's way, and it did not try to crush me. Got out of it's way and it continued it's work. Not humanoid, but perhaps a bit like a self-driving car.

So, we are already there, on the edge of it, and it is entering our reality.

https://www.tennantco.com/en_us/1/machi … 80amr.html
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I suppose in time much more will occur with humanoid robots.

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Calliban · 2025-02-14 04:39:24

Void, that is interesting. Floor cleaning would appear to be low hanging fruit, as it is a task that would allow the robot some errors without causing problems. It is one more thing that we won't need to employ people to do. Which is good considering that demographic ageing is shrinking the workforce.

On Mars, we clearly need robotics a lot more. The external environment is cold, radiation soaked and has no breathable air. And human labour will be an expensive commodity regardless of where it is employed. We will want robotic trucks capable of transporting goods without need for human labour or with limited remote control. And robotics capable of assembling habitats will be very valuable.

One thing that I am interested in at present, is the use of robotics to reprocess and assemble nuclear fuel. If fuel assembly can be carried out reliably with robotics, it becomes easier to impliment a closed fuel cycle using thorium based fuel in light water reactors. This would potentially be easier to impliment than a molten salt thorium fuel cycle. The problem with using thorium in this way, is that 232U contamination makes assembly of thorium based fuel rods a lot more dose intensive if carried out in glove boxes. So a robotic solution that limits operator exposure would be at least desirable and possibly essential. If it can be done, it has implications for nuclear power on Earth and Mars. If metallic thorium-uranium alloy fuels can be developed, then pyroprocessing becomes an easy way of removing fission products from spent fuel. But this again requires entirely remote operation, as the gamma radiation fields produced by fission products would be lethal to an operator within minutes. So everything has to take place inside a hot cell.

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Void · 2025-02-14 09:39:08

Yes, I am inclined to think that nuclear is very desirable for Mars surface, less so for orbital. Any means of increasing efficiency and capability while reducing harm is very desirable also.

In the beginning of the so called "Space Age", this dinosaur really wanted so called "Manned Missions" rather than robots, as per robots it was hard to imagine living ins space. But by now people in Balloon Suits, while not entirely to be replaced, looks a little silly, as if you can do telepresence with a humanoid robotic assistant, you get much more for a lesser cost.

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Void · 2025-03-05 11:37:03

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi8k9jC9F-Y
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A bit long but interesting.

It has occurred to me that the robot might be able to assist individuals that are at "At risk", such as "At risk adults".

The first level it might try to tell such an individual to take an appropriate action.
The second level could be that it would summon help if the at-risk individual needed help beyond what the robot could immediately provide.

I would hope that Neuralink could also provide help, but that might be a long time coming, and you still might want a bot to give assistance to an "At Risk" person.

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