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Re: Balloon for Exploration of Venus at Higher Elevations
The question by PhotonBytes, quoted in #25, inspired me to check with Google to see what's been happening as researchers think about exploration of Venus. I was amazed by the number of citations:
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Proposed Venus Balloon Mission Could Detect Life By 2022
NASA is developing a 40-foot (12-meter) diameter aerial robotic balloon, or aerobot, to study Venus' atmosphere. The aerobot is a spacecraft that consists of a balloon and its payload. The balloon is designed to withstand Venus' corrosive atmosphere and can float in the wind for weeks or months. It can also vary its altitude between 171,000 and 203,000 feet (52 and 62 kilometers) above the surface.Jet Propulsion Laboratory
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The balloon is a variable altitude balloon operating at 52-62km altitude with a 25kg payload. Pressures and temperatures at these altitudes are similar to Earth's troposphere, although the sulfuric acid clouds pose a materials challenge. The balloon would have a lifetime in excess of 30 days and be solar powered.Feb 17, 2023Venus Balloon Concepts - NASA Spaceflight Forum
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Oct 10, 2022 — The shimmering silver balloon ascended more than 4,000 feet (1 kilometer) over Nevada's Black Rock Desert to a region of Earth's atmosphere that ...
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by GA Landis · 2010 · Cited by 19 — NASA John Glenn Research Center, Cleveland, OH 44135. The planet Venus represents an exciting target for future exploration by spacecraft. One target of ...
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Jun 20, 2021 — The technique is being developed to detect venusquakes. A new study details how, in 2019, it made the first balloon-borne detection of a ...Vega 2 Balloon - Spacecraft - the NSSDCA
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The primary scientific objective of the Vega balloon probes was to obtain information about the large- and small-scale motions, structure, and cloud properties ...
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Aug 26, 2023 — One is that we haven't been able to successfully launch a balloon mission to Venus at all, let alone one with sensitive seismometers on it.Venus Variable Altitude Aerobots - JPL Robotics - NASA
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The Venus Variable-Altitude Aerobot task is taking the next step in balloon exploration capability by designing controllable variable-buoyancy balloons - ...NASA Gets Closer to Venus Mission With Successful Robo ...
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Oct 13, 2022 — NASA wants to send a giant silver balloon to the hellish world of Venus, where the floating robot would explore the toxic Venusian ...
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Jun 21, 2021 — PASADENA — Researchers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and Caltech said today they want to further test the use of high-altitude balloons ...Venus balloon aerobot completes 1st test flights
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Oct 17, 2022 — On Venus, the balloon would fly at a height of 180,000 feet (55 kilometers) above the surface. To match the temperatures and densities ...
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How did 20 radio observatories track balloons of the 1985 Venus-Halley (VeGa) mission in Venus' superrotating winds at an altitude of about 54 km?
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A Russian site called Galspace provides some good information on this. You may have to ask Google to translate the page though. The translation says... The output power of the transmitter is only 4.5 W, radio signals were transmitted at a wavelength of about 18 cm. The fact is that it is at this wavelength that many large radio telescopes, combined into an intercontinental interferometer system with an ultra-long base, operate. This is the wavelength of maser emission from interstellar hydroxyl (OH) molecules that form compact radio sources associated with regions of active star formation. Intercontinental interferometers measure the position and brightness distribution in such sources with an angular resolution of up to 0.001" (thousands of times more accurate than ground-based optical telescopes). At a distance of 1 AU this corresponds to a linear resolution of about 1 km. These are the intercontinental interferometric systems that were used to receive signals from balloon probes. …
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Will a spacecraft hanging from a helium-filled balloon survive in Venus's atmosphere?
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Balloons have several advantages. They can survive for long periods in the atmospheres of hostile planets such as Venus. In addition, they are relatively cheap. Since wind will drag the balloon around, it requires no propulsion system to move. In contrast, landers stay where they land. This limits the area of exploration. Of course rovers can potentially cover great distances but their need of electric engines, wheels and gears make them complicated machines that have to be steered carefully in order for them to operate for a long time. An orbiter requires thrusters and fuel to make inclination changes that can take it to where it wants to go. The delicate fuel must be managed by foolproof systems that add to the cost. By design, balloons need none of this. This saves mass and time spent on controlling the probe and therefore also money. On Earth, balloons are so cheap that universities around the globe use them as student-projects, to explore the stratosphere or test hardware for Cub…
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Is Venus a spy balloon?
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I first asked myself, “What in hell prompted this question?” It didn't take long to figure it out. Balloons are really in right now. Especially ones at very high altitude launched by the Chinese for a variety of nefarious reasons. The high altitude along with being a white balloon is probably the reason behind the question. Venus is sometimes visible in the daytime sky. Hard to find if you look for it but you'll see it if your eye catches it. The same for high altitude balloons. So a person may think Venus is a spy balloon. Don't worry, the military will not try to shoot it down
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Oct 13, 2022 — If ever selected to fly to Venus, the balloon would cruise between 30 and 40 miles up, an altitude where conditions are similar to Earth.Student Project: Make a Planetary Exploration Balloon
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Aug 2, 2021 — Researchers hope the balloons will prove successful in detecting the earthquakes, and, eventually, helping to map the surface of Venus.Altitude-Controlled Light Gas Balloons for Venus and Titan ...
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by RA Preston · 1986 · Cited by 2 — In December 1984 the Soviet Union launched two space- craft on the VEGA mission to comet Halley. On June 11 and. 15, 1985, the spacecraft flew by Venus and ...Prototype Development of a Variable Altitude Venus Aerobot
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by JA Cutts · 1999 · Cited by 14 — NASA's Roadmap for Solar System Exploration ... communications with. Earth is also being explored as part of JPL's navigation and control research program. ... (3) ...Venus High Altitude Balloon - Global Aerospace Corporation
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Re: Balloon for Exploration of Venus at Higher Elevations
Following up on the question by PhotoBytes, I asked Google for citations of the work of Geoffrey Landis at NASA Glenn research center.
Colonization of Venus
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by GA Landis · 2003 · Cited by 94 — Access to the surface is relatively simple from an aerostat, since the thick atmosphere allows flight by airplanes [Landis 20011 or balloons (already ...
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Re: Balloon for Exploration of Venus at Higher Elevations
Venus sample return mission revisited
http://web.archive.org/web/202009171623 … 5184752220
This White Paper has been written in perspective of the ESA consultancy “Voyage 2050” in order to go beyond the simple ESA public consultation. It is focused on the very difficult question of Venus sample return already studied in depth by NASA /JPL and ESA.
The Venus sample return is very interesting from the scientific point of view. The soil composition analysis will offer clues on the mechanisms explaining the differences between Venus and Earth.
However the sample recovery is extremely difficult.
Lander and sample collection:
The lander baseline is an UAV, taking off vertically from the Venus surface after sample collection, able to benefit from wings lift in order to spare the electrical power for cruise and balloon search and returning to vertical lift for the balloon / rocket rendezvous. The lander UAV is described in chapter 6.
Bearing in mind the strong winds at 55 km altitude, The UAV ascent will be synchronised with the anticipated balloon / rocket position at the anticipated rendezvous time.
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