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tahanson43206

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Registered: 2018-04-27

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Re: Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles

For SpaceNut ....

Thanks for your suggestion of a possible location for reporting of (apparent) media mismatches in Post #25

I would like this topic to concentrate on reporting of advances in hydrogen fuel cell technology.

Discussion of mistakes that members might find in media that have nothing to do with hydrogen fuel cell technology would probably be interesting to someone, but this is not the best place. 

Please edit your post #25 so it pertains to hydrogen fuel cell technology.

What the Norwegians are planning appears to fit the topic reasonably well.

Success in that venture ** should ** be replicable.

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kbd512

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Re: Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles

tahanson43206,

According to Google, Norway secured 98% of it's energy from a combination of hydropower and wind.

Norway's "energy", according to the graphs I posted, which I also found using Google, is 45% hydro, perhaps 5% wind turbines and photovoltaics by now, and 50% oil, gas, and coal.

Norway's "electricity", which is merely one form of "energy", is only half of their actual energy consumption.

If we're going to talk about "electricity" vs "energy", then let's use appropriate labels.

Norway is exporting their oil and gas to the rest of Europe.  Their government is then using the profits from oil and gas sales to fund their "green energy" projects.

It really doesn't matter what kind of shell games or word games we attempt to play with our "energy" consumption.  By definition, a global problem doesn't "go away" because you exported the source of the CO2 emissions elsewhere.

Norway's 2021 "Energy" Consumption by Source, according to the EIA
Coal - 3.1% / 27,996TJ
Oil - 36.1% / 327,565TJ
Natural Gas - 3.8% / 34,951TJ
Heating - 2.6% / 23,367TJ
Biofuels and Waste Burning - 6.9% / 67,729TJ
Electricity - 47.5% / 431,967TJ

446,657TJ (124,071GWh / 124,071,385,414,890Wh) - Norway's burning of something other than Hydrogen, for "energy"

3,722,178,784kg / 3,722,179t of Hydrogen required to replace coal / oil / gas, at 33,333Wh/kg

They're creating capacity to generate 40,000t of "green Hydrogen", whatever that is, per year.

Norway requires 93 more plants of the same size to replace all that coal, oil, and gas they're presently consuming to create "energy".

154,470,419,536,000Wh <- That is how many Watt-hours of "electricity" Hysata's 95%+ efficient reverse fuel cell requires to replace Norway's coal, oil, and gas consumption, which is most definitely part of their "energy" consumption.

119,990,833,299,736Wh <- That is how many Watt-hours of "electricity" Norway produced from all "energy" sources, green or otherwise.

Economy of Norway

What is the main source of income in Norway?

The oil and gas industries play a dominant role in the Norwegian economy, providing a source of finance for the Norwegian welfare state through direct ownership of oil fields, dividends from its shares in Equinor, and licensure fees and taxes.

Cost of living - Norway is among the most expensive countries in the world, as reflected in the Big Mac Index and other indices. Historically, transportation costs and barriers to free trade had caused the disparity, but in recent years, Norwegian policy in labor relations, taxation, and other areas have contributed significantly.