How far to the abundance economy?

Void · 2023-01-11 21:43:14

I have updated my notion of what we have for a climate situation. I believe that it is likely that we would still be in the little ice age, if the industrial revolution had not happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

This allows for a drying out in many places and yet a warming up at the poles. A Greenhouse effect made stronger will heat the poles more than the lower latitudes, I believe. Glaciers in mountains are tending to dry up as less evaporation is occurring at the lower latitudes due to cooler oceans. This is substantiated by a report that the Pacific has stored cold from the little ice age.

Knowing this, might be true, it is easy to see why we don't observe technological civilizations yet. It seems to me that it was just stupid luck that allowed us to get a pause from an increasing ice age process.

If Antarctica is accumulating more snow, then this is further evidence as if the poles are warmed up, Antarctica is polar, very reflective, and generally of a high altitude. Warming up the North Polar area though could easily melt Greenland, as it has a much smaller area.

And yes, I am going to talk about an abundance economy.

First of all, we stay technological and do not listen to the neopaegan types.

Tesla is likely to get the Tesla Bot going, in Elon time.

Bill Gates has something solar going that sounds impressive. http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 48#p204948

This is the Video: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=%2 … &FORM=VIRE

Helion Fusion is looking like it might get there in time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bDXXWQxK38

I am getting the feeling that we may be very positively surprised over time.

If you don't like my diagnosis of the climate situation, keep in mind that I am very eager to encourage new Energy Resources.

Eavor is yet another thing coming along. https://www.eavor.com/

And then we seem to have an abundance of new space machines that are appearing to be about to become actual.

And I don't think that we will need EV's that much as it turns out. Bill Gates investment item is supposed to be able to generate Hydrogen.
If you can do that, then it would not be that much trouble to manufacture liquid hydrocarbon fuels using CO2.

We should stop scaring the kids about a climate panic.

Done.

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-11-02 17:23:57

if you think about California long term with so many available resources it should be fine but in the shorter times measured of a human life, you get many political changes and political types are destroying the state.

Off-World

Making Mars the planet of plenty and excess a surplus of Waters and Minerals from mines, a Chemical center and production of Metals, the Farmers human or robot to make Food stuff to make Fuels or building material and Oxygen production.

Breathing Martian Air
https://time.com/collection/best-invent … asa-moxie/

The Scientific Reason Tomatoes Have Been Sent To Outer Space
https://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/scientif … 37516.html

Detailed Mars Water Map Shows Where to Land Future Explorers
https://gizmodo.com.au/2023/11/detailed … explorers/

the Abundance of Energy and Power

Pursuing fusion power
https://news.yahoo.com/pursuing-fusion- … 00803.html

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-11-23 14:22:17

EU Parliament backs extensive net-zero industry ‘wishlist’, including nuclear

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy … gue-talks/

Calliban · 2023-11-26 07:41:31

Starting in 1960, trade in merchandise started trending upward.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/TG.VAL.TOTL.GD.ZS

This hit a brick wall in 2008, and shows a slow downward trend since then. The COVID epidemic saw a brief resurgence, as people trapped in their homes ordered lots of stuff and companies rebuilt inventories after lockdowns. But global trade as a percentage of GDP is clearly trending downward. This may be the first signal of the breakdown in globalisation.

As can be seen in Gail Tverberg's latest article, oil prices were low by present day standards until the early 1970s. But they increased substantially after 1972, as US onshore conventional oil was no longer the key marginal supplier.
https://ourfiniteworld.com/2023/11/22/r … e-economy/

This reduced, but did not halt, global per capita GDP growth. But the world has grown more slowly since the early 70s and more debt is needed per unit of GDP. This explains why interest rates had to keep falling to maintain growth.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY … cations=1W

Since, 2021, interest rates have increased as central banks have attempted to combat rising prices by increasing borrowing costs. This never appeared to be a very well thought out solution to me. But it is what you get from people that insist of treated the economy as a financial construct rather than a physical system. We now appear to be heading into a perfect storm. Most of the worlds working age populations are contracting as the demographic unwinding sets in. This reduces the capital base available for investment and reduces consumer base at the same time. Interest rates are rising, making capital intensive investment more expensive. And energy prices remain stubbornly high. If global trade breaks down in this environment, global GDP will collapse, because older demographies are very dependant on exports of finished goods to keep their economies in balance and imports of energy and raw materials. But investment of all kinds is becoming more expensive and difficult. I sense hard times ahead.

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2024-03-30 14:58:23

Politically Unstable: The failure of Biden’s energy policies

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 … y-policie/

tahanson43206 · 2024-03-30 17:08:10

For Terraformer ... Your topic seems to attract Debbie Downer!

The topic itself is about something positive toward which the human race should be aiming.

Abundance has arrived already for a part of the population.

It remains a distant hope for another part.

One of the links Mars_B4_Moon posted recently took me to a report on the sorry situation of migrant workers in China.

This sorry situation has been (doubtless) going on for thousands of years so it is certainly nothing new.

However, there are some cultures where the leadership has (occasionally and sporadically) attempted to improve the lives of the bottom of the pool.

Abundance is possible for everyone if enough people decided to make it happen (a) and (b) if the number of people trying to destroy what others are building is low enough.

It appears to me that only Spaniard is inclined to put a positive spin on the concept of abundance for everyone.

(th)

kbd512 · 2024-03-30 23:58:40

tahanson43206,

1. We could have abundance for everyone if we applied a little basic math to energy and materials problems, rather than aesthetics and ideology. The issue here is an unhealthy fascination with shiny objects of affection and meaningless buzzwords that might be theoretically possible to attain if all practicality is thrown out the window, yet are still utterly infeasible under current technological reality.

2. We would have to get rid of the entire concept of planned obsolescence as well. This is why there's not abundance. Deliberately designing something to fail long before it otherwise would is immoral. Business pays lip service to morality, but it's never applied to actual business practices. The electronic water meter installed yesterday at my home is a bright shining example of replacing something that wasn't broken with something that the person performing the installation said was known to break or malfunction within a short period of time. The new meter is not more accurate than the old meter, the meter reader still has to come read the meter, and apparently the new electronic water meter is not very waterproof. Money, time, materials, and labor were all squandered without useful result, but some unscrupulous person convinced a dumb or equally unscrupulous person to do something stupid with someone else's money, time, materials, and labor. That is dictionary definition immorality.

3. Finally, we would have to not spend time and money resolving problems that have already been adequately resolved, and to refrain from developing solutions in search of a problem to solve. The reason we have fidget spinners is people don't want to solve hard problems. They'd rather "fix it until it's broke" (electronic water meters), or "invent" functionally useless items that cost real money (fidget spinners), but don't deliver real value. Kids had fidget spinners back when my father was in school during the 1950s, but they called them pencils back then.

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