Technological Cumulativeness, (Accumulation).

Void · 2024-02-01 11:27:56

Maybe this is better than pyrolysis: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/f … r-BB1hzCxx Quote:

Phys.org
Fermentation revolution? Trash becomes treasure as bio-waste yields valuable acetone and isopropanol
Story by Science X staff • 19h

If coupled with ocean farming it might really go places.
Image Quote: BB1hzpg5.img?w=534&h=279&m=6
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Flow sheet of isopropanol and acetone recovery process using vacuum distillation (VD) process configuration (W—water, IPA—isopropanol, AC—acetone, AA—acetic acid). Credit: Anton A Kiss
© Provided by Phys.org

This might not be so bad for Mars either.

If you could grow mushrooms on the waste after extracting the acetone and isopropanol.

Then perhaps create Biochar with pyrolysis and then put that into soils to reduce atmospheric CO2.

If you dumped the biochar into the bottom of the Black Sea, it may stay out of the ecology for a very long time as the bottom waters are anoxic.

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Pass-Through Distillation: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a … on%20steps. Quote:

Bioethanol separation by a new pass-through distillation process
Author links open overlay panelTamara Janković a, Adrie J.J. Straathof a, Ian R. McGregor b, Anton A. Kiss a

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Void · 2024-02-06 08:56:29

This is pretty good for those who are interested in solar panel power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqizLQDi9BM
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Have we been doing Solar wrong all along?
Undecided with Matt Ferrell
1.34M subscribers

He mentions albedo, both deserts and snow. We would have those factors on Mars.

There are not much for clouds on Mars that would help, I believe.

Dust is an issue of course and especially dust storms. But I anticipate that vertical would accumulate less dust, and perhaps be easier to clean.

I have my eyes on this for high latitudes. You may be able to change the progression of fall and spring on Mars with these. As they would not be covered by winter CO2 frost in the same way that the horizontal ground would, early sunshine would warm the springs early and help dissipate the frost both on the panels and the ground. Similarly, it might delay the fall accumulations of frost.

I believe that on Earth the march of evergreen forests to the North, is likely a part of the passage away from ice age conditions for the same reason, but I do not deny the warming from greenhouse gasses as well.

In the video, vertical solar panels along railroad tracks are mentioned. In the USA we would also have our freeway system, but car wrecks may damage them, so it may not be quite as good. Also, the roads are not always snow covered but would reflect some light.

As this is a terraform method by albedo, I well remention it in the Terraform section.

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Void · 2024-02-07 13:44:33

There was a recent question about biofuels: https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topst … 29c70&ei=4
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Tech Xplore
Inexpensive, carbon-neutral biofuels are finally possible
Story by Jules Bernstein •
1h

I wonder if seaweed would work in their process. Such a seaweed process would also extract nutrients/fertilizers from the seas.

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Void · 2024-02-12 14:04:09

This is a nice set of information on solar panels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AVO1IyfA9M
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Vertical Bifacial Solar Panel Performance Results Part 1
Projects With Everyday Dave
47.2K subscribers

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Void · 2024-02-14 08:34:16

This is in the family of seaweed farms to get biofuels: https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/t … 44e3&ei=27
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The company Bill Gates just backed is aiming to revolutionize air travel with a surprising resource
Story by Jeremiah Budin • 1h

I think that organics from the Oceans can be coupled to other energy sources to generate fuels.

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Void · 2024-02-15 09:23:01

Hydrogen Storage: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets … r-BB1ijuqw

Well, time will tell. My preferred method to obtain Hydrogen or another fuel would be to use pyrolysis on seaweed, and so to produce a fuel and also Carbon materials to include into farm soils. This would take Carbon out of the atmosphere and sequester it for a time. Biochar can stay unoxidized for some time apparently.

But I might prefer a liquid fuel, a Hydrocarbon.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo395 … 0years%205.
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Carbon sequestration through biochar involves pyrolysis or gasification of organic material in low-oxygen conditions from plant waste 3. The resulting char can be mixed with existing soil, acting as a fertilizer 4 and sequestering carbon with a mean residence time of about 2,000 years 5.

Here are some useful previous posts that can relate to the above:
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 74#p218874
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 81#p219081
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 44#p218944
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 91#p219291

When an ocean farming method dips down to get nutrients from cold water, then those nutrients might carry though into the farm fields, if you put biochar into them.

You need to be aware that the Verbal and Violent are always working to cut your rations and to accumulate them to their propagation. We should not let them get away with it a technological people should not be made surfs to these zombie peoples.

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I had to hunt this down: http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 23#p218823
It looks very good.

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Calliban · 2024-02-15 09:58:26

Void, that is interesting. This year marks (amongst other things) the 200th anniversary of the invention of the telescopic gas holder!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_holder

These were built to contain coal gas, which is mostly hydrogen by volume. The hydrogen was distributed throughout towns through cast iron pipes. Hydrogen leakage was prevented by containing the hydrogen at close to ambient pressure. Coal gas continued to be used innthe UK until the 1970s, when natural gas finally displaced it. If we could do this 200 years ago, but are struggling with the problem today, I strongly suspect that we are on the wrong track. To understand how we should use and store hydrogen today, we couod start by examining how our ancestors used coal gas, given that they are essentially the same thing.

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Void · 2024-02-15 10:06:08

I would not be too obsessed with Hydrogen. Pyrolysis could yield many more manageable fuels.

I think this post has something good: http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 23#p218823

The process involves moving a platform with seaweed alternately between sunshine and warm water to cold deep water that has nutrients.

Several uses of the seaweed are possible. First as a food for some creature. Then you might ferment the excreta to get Methane. You might then subject the remainder to high heat to do a pyrolysis, to obtain a fuel and a biochar. Likely the biochar would hold the nutrients that the seaweed absorbed.

The Biochar can be dumped into the ocean or better put into farm soils to beneficiate them and to sequester Carbon.

At several points if you wanted Hydrogen, you might extract it from a Hydrocarbon. It makes no sense to try to extract Hydrogen from water when you could extract it from a Hydrocarbon.

The above suggested method could be modified in many ways.

But the point is you could do pyrolysis with solar concentration or more practical may be electric powered ovens.

You get your fuels to run ICE engines, and also you sequester Carbon, and you also fertilize farm fields.

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Void · 2024-02-17 16:45:44

Well, this is interesting about improved recycling for some batteries.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … r-BB1ir6WF
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Scientists make breakthrough discovery while experimenting with urine: ‘We can reuse a very significant portion of the cobalt’
Story by Jeremiah Budin • 3h

But since they cannot recycle all of it, (Sour Grapes), it seems that eventually we will want to be able to get metals from places like asteroids.

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Void · 2024-02-20 08:33:40

So, someone finally figured out that you can float an object on water and use that as a bearing to do sun following solar collections.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets … 5d16&ei=12
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Company designs genius ‘island’ of floating solar panels that maximize energy by following the sun — here’s how it works
Story by Wes Stenzel • 5d

Now add wind and wave power. With the wave power protect the devices perimeters with wave power collection devices.

Grow Seaweed, collect nutrients from the ocean depths with the seaweed method.

Populate the device.

Make hydrocarbon fuels by baking organic materials, pyrolysis. Use Char to entomb Carbon from the atmosphere.

Tell Greta that she does not need to cry.

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Void · 2024-02-22 08:16:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwDly9pjSJg
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Why Solid Carbon Batteries Are Taking Over
Ziroth

On Mars and Earth, it may be good to have energy available to run processes at night, so this one looks like it would be able to provide that energy.

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Void · 2024-02-24 11:30:03

Well, this sounds good and perhaps will satisfy members that like solar thermal: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … 13ca&ei=13 Quote:

Research team develops parabolic trough solar module for hybrid electricity and heat generation
Story by Science X staff • 1d

This may be in line with a previous high temperature solar cell method from the Danes, but I don't know that.
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https://phys.org/news/2016-08-high-temp … solar.html

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In experiments, the new absorbers were shown to operate at a temperature of 800 degrees Celsius and to absorb light of wavelengths ranging from 300 to 1750 nanometers, that is, from ultraviolet (UV) to near-infrared wavelengths.

Time sure flies. I recall that article but now some time ago.

But that heat is significant for industrial activities, and of course for lower temp uses.

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Void · 2024-02-29 10:58:59

This is a good one: https://phys.org/news/2024-02-field-tri … e_vignette
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Field trials reveal crushed rock boosts carbon removal and improves crop yields
by University of Sheffield

I would add Carbon from Pyrolysis to this, and it might create good soil.

For Mars, it might be that materials from the sand dunes might work OK. That and perhaps Pyrolysis Carbon.

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Void · 2024-03-01 12:11:40

Believe it or not, I have fished on the lake this is on. I have camped there as well. We also noticed the sounds of drilling.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/heliu … r-BB1j8jAm
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Helium discovery in northern Minnesota may be biggest ever in North America
Story by Jonah Kaplan • 18h

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MINNEAPOLIS — Scientists from around the world converged on Babbitt in St. Louis County to dig more than a half mile underground, and have confirmed a major helium discovery in northern Minnesota. Experts think this could be the biggest such discovery in North America.
"There was a lot of screaming, a lot of hugging and high fives. It's nice to know the efforts all worked out and we pulled it off," Pulsar Helium's Thomas Abraham-James said.

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Void · 2024-03-08 09:40:14

Here is something about OTEC again: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani … r-BB1jl1ZK
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Startup revives 140-year-old tech to generate energy for remote areas: ‘Marks the beginning of a renewable transition’
Story by Susan Elizabeth Turek • 2d • 3 min read

I will say good. And I would like to see it. One thing that people may not have considered is that wind could be used to bring cold heavy water up for this purpose. It might help.

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Void · 2024-03-09 20:15:10

This is of interest: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … 2529&ei=18
Quote:

Researchers reach ‘significant’ breakthrough with device that can produce potable water out of thin air — here’s how it works
Story by Doric Sam • 5d • 3 min read

I would certainly like to know more about it.

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Void · 2024-03-10 12:16:47

Biofuels: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani … 4cb8&ei=11
Quote:

Biotechnological Breakthrough Sets Stage for Surge in Green Fuel Production
Story by Josh Daz • 1w • 2 min read

Sounds good.

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Void · 2024-03-22 13:28:58

This is one of those articles, that just maybe has a future. This topic is not a bad place to put it: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … 23e8&ei=16 Quote:

RocketStar Inc's Nuclear Fusion Drive Revolutionizes Space Propulsion
Story by Ethan Brown • 1h • 3 min read

I kind of understand a bit of it. They do mention Fission/Fusion, which Calliban has mentioned in the past, so I guess it is worth a view.

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Void · 2024-04-01 20:12:00

This seems significant: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/technol … r-BB1kUejm
Quote:

MIT Claims They’ve Figured Out How To Make Fusion Energy Practical
Story by Trisha Leigh • 2h • 2 min read

That would be nice.

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Void · 2024-04-24 12:58:21

I like this about a wave power method: https://dutchwavepower.com/#design-philosophy
If you click on "Technology", then there is a video that finally made me understand what they are doing: https://dutchwavepower.com/pages/technology/
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Dutch Wave Power developed multiple systems of suspensions for the full spectrum needed, from offshore, near shore to even shoreline placement:
deep water locations - off shore
intermediate depth locations - near shore
location at shore (harbour heads, dams) - shore line

I was curious about the potential of wave power:
https://www.linquip.com/blog/wave-energ … dvantages/
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Approximately 2 terawatts
The energy density of waves along shorelines is approximately 30-40 kW/m of waves, and further out into the ocean, most waves can generate 100 kW/meter of electricity. Less than ½ mile2 of the ocean has the potential to generate more than 30 MW of power, which is enough energy to power 20,000 British homes1. The World Energy Council has estimated that approximately 2 terawatts (2 million megawatts), about double current world electricity production, could be produced from the oceans via wave power2. The theoretical annual energy potential of waves off the coasts of the United States is estimated to be as much as 2.64 trillion kilowatthours, or the equivalent of about 64% of total U.S. utility-scale electricity generation in 20213. Waves could realistically contribute about 10 percent of the world's energy consumption4.

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Void · 2024-04-26 08:21:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkWn49Zi2U
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Biomimetic LEDs: The Ultra Efficient Breakthrough
Ziroth

The video has a long annoying advertisement embedded but the article is a good one I feel.

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Void · 2024-05-02 12:38:11

Here is a "maybe" of interest: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … 0d600&ei=3
Quote:

The Register
7.9K Followers
NASA plasma propulsion project promises Mars in a flash
Story by Lindsay Clark • 37m • 2 min read

It's wonderful if they can do it. In that case it would still be nice to have a Mars adapted Starship to move things to the surface of Mars.

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Void · 2024-05-03 09:38:55

This is very interesting: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/m … r-AA1nYMs4 Quote:

Ad
Interesting Engineering
16K Followers
MIT spinoff unveils continuous solar power solution technology
Story by Rizwan Choudhury • 2d • 3 min read

I like it!

And this brings up Power to Hydrocarbons. Places with great amounts of such energy, in this case solar, could become sources of Hydrocarbons, where they would in fact extract CO2 from a source to make these. Temperate Deserts may be very suitable for that.
Image Quote:

But of course, there are huge stretches of water that have solar that might be tapped eventually as well, and with the wind and wave resources also available.

Semi-Arid may also be fine for it.

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kbd512 · 2024-05-03 13:25:10

Pulsed Fission Fusion (PuFF) Propulsion System

100kN of thrust at 5,000s to 30,000s of specific impulse is about where in-space propulsion needs to be, in order to colonize Mars in a practical manner. The 1,000t class, wet mass, "large ship" concept that I had in mind, would not require significant additional radiation protection with 100kN of thrust on tap. I was originally planning on a much longer spiral-out time with only 1kN of thrust provided by electric propulsion. If 100kN is achievable, then the large ship would achieve escape velocity in 8 hours 20 minutes. The 500 or so passengers can stay in the radiation-protected center barrel section for that period of time, while the ship clears the Van Allen Belts, and achieves escape velocity.

At the same time, if the work that Dr Buhler's team is performing on propellantless electrostatic propulsion ultimately bears fruit, then we're not going to bother with propellant-based propulsion at all, because the thrust-to-weight ratio of that device is purportedly already over 1, assuming he's not lying. We'll know soon enough after they begin flight testing the device. If their electrostatic asymmetry device works, then it's a technological windfall for in-space propulsion at the very least, quite possibly all forms of propulsion, perhaps finally achieving the promise of electrical propulsion systems. Until exhaustively proven and independently replicated, this is all highly speculative. Until then, fission-fusion pulsed plasma thrusters are sufficient for solar system colonization.

At the same time, we need new physics or a more complete understanding of physics. We know that our understanding of physics is incomplete, so it's time to suspend disbelief just long enough to try some fundamentally new ideas, else we're never leaving the solar system. I don't believe that will be humanity's fate. Eventually interest with the obsessive recitation of what we know, along with the measurement of what we already know, will wane. We'll move on to new power and propulsion concepts capable of providing humanity with the tools we require to finally head towards other stars. At that point, interest in fighting each other over something readily obtainable elsewhere will also wane.

The work of Dr Buhler (Electrostatic force asymmetry) / Dr Shawyer (EmDrive) / Dr Fearn (Mach Effect) / et al, essentially revolves around the propellantless "impulse drives" from Star Trek. We will also need Star Trek's "warp drives" to take us far beyond the solar system. On top of that, someone will need to figure out how to create the "subspace communication" devices to allow for sensing and communicating at superluminal velocity.

Void · 2024-05-21 10:24:27

I think that this is a very big development.
Jet Pack:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … ba1c&ei=12
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The U.S. Space Force is set to partner with startup Starfish Space to launch a satellite "jetpack" that can dock with "virtually any" satellite currently in orbit and assist with maneuvering capabilities in a $37.5 million contract.
The first-of-its kind technology would be able to extend the life of satellites by docking to them and using its own fuel to keep them operational in Geostationary orbit.

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The new kit, dubbed "Otter," can also be used to dispose of defunct satellites that pose collision risks to functional satellites, freeing up space in Earth's already crowded orbital zone.

I would think that somethings like those could fill out a rideshare situation, for Starship or other launchers. And of course it may be able to keep us further away from a Kessler Syndrome in LEO.

I would also wonder if such a device could "Fetch" some hardware to be recycled into propellants for a Neumann Electric Thruster Drive.

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