Climate Change - History and Forecasts

Void · 2023-05-13 11:53:21

Well, I am going to need to finish this and perhaps view it yet again. It already seems to be very significant to me.

Meet Dr. Patrick Moore: Greenpeace co-founder who left the organization hijacked by the political left.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Me … &FORM=VIRE

It may be that someone else has posted it.

But the really big thing is that he says the Earth almost reached a point where the CO2 was so low that a risk of all plants dying could have happened, if it had continued lower.

Have fun. I would finish it now but I have something to do.

Done

To be sure if some of the plants died, then they would decay and release CO2, but it is interesting that the planet actually got close to that wall.

Done.

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Void · 2023-05-13 12:51:25

I watched the whole video after all.

I will speak to what I think may be at the root of the political.

In the USA, there has been a greater amount of Individuality. This was as people were able to walk away from power structures in the old world, as there were places like the USA for them to go to and to keep a greater part of the wealth they personally generated/acquired.

These oppressors come in two flavors and mixes between them. Hierarchy and Community. Either a apex predator, or a pack predator.

In humans, oppression comes from above or from the sides. If from above the victim may be put into prisons to rot. Dublin, London, Paris, Rome, Athens, Cairo, and a couple more in that direction. If from the side, then perhaps like Mongols.

No surprise that if you come from the Steppes and ride long distances between wealth concentrations, you then surround prey periodically.

In the video in the previous post, it was said that the Germans killed 8 million people. I consider that a mistake.

Fascism was very strong in various Non-German countries/cultures. I consider that the Germans were mislead, first by oppression after WWI, and then to be given a hope of escape from oppression prior and during WWII.

Yes they were a big part of what happened, but not the entirety of it.

My reading of what is going on is that Vertical and Horizontal power brokers are seeking to feed on individualistic oriented peoples.

We see poorly if we do not understand that all of the power centers of Europe and of the world, are of that nature. They want to have a free lunch. And this idea of Left/Right, is you being deceived.

The older the culture, as I see it the more likely it generates such problems for us. Stalin came from Georgia, I believe. Hitler? Was he a Viking from the North?

The expanding narrative of the evil Northern European is an invention to facilitate the feeding on individualistic peoples.

I could say more but I have given you a start of trying to understand how we are being manipulated against our own interests, basically to feel shame for ourselves, so that we can be convinced to allow them to take from us.

Anyway, hopefully this is not so far out that it cannot be considered about.

Done

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-05-24 15:56:33

New Climate Model Accurately Predicts Millions of Years of Ice Ages

https://www.universetoday.com/161458/ne … -ice-ages/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-05-28 15:43:10

'Growing and burying algae farms in the desert could remove more carbon than planting trees'

https://news.sky.com/story/can-growing- … o-12887480

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-06-10 12:31:28

El Niño is coming but no, it's not Christmas yet...
https://twitter.com/ESA_EO/status/1658849128389005313
Data from EO satellites are telling us El Niño (short for the original name given to the phenomenon in the 1600s, El Niño de Navidad) is on its way and it’s bringing warmer temperature to an already hot planet Earth.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-06-19 02:02:27

We've pumped so much groundwater that we've nudged the Earth's spin

https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Weve … n_999.html

By pumping water out of the ground and moving it elsewhere, humans have shifted such a large mass of water that the Earth tilted nearly 80 centimeters (31.5 inches) east between 1993 and 2010 alone, according to a new study published in Geophysical Research Letters, AGU's journal for short-format, high-impact research with implications spanning the Earth and space sciences.

Based on climate models, scientists previously estimated humans pumped 2,150 gigatons of groundwater, equivalent to more than 6 millimeters (0.24 inches) of sea level rise, from 1993 to 2010. But validating that estimate is difficult.

One approach lies with the Earth's rotational pole, which is the point around which the planet rotates. It moves during a process called polar motion, which is when the position of the Earth's rotational pole varies relative to the crust. The distribution of water on the planet affects how mass is distributed. Like adding a tiny bit of weight to a spinning top, the Earth spins a little differently as water is moved around.

"Earth's rotational pole actually changes a lot," said Ki-Weon Seo, a geophysicist at Seoul National University who led the study. "Our study shows that among climate-related causes, the redistribution of groundwater actually has the largest impact on the drift of the rotational pole."

Water's ability to change the Earth's rotation was discovered in 2016, and until now, the specific contribution of groundwater to these rotational changes was unexplored. In the new study, researchers modeled the observed changes in the drift of Earth's rotational pole and the movement of water - first, with only ice sheets and glaciers considered, and then adding in different scenarios of groundwater redistribution.

The model only matched the observed polar drift once the researchers included 2150 gigatons of groundwater redistribution. Without it, the model was off by 78.5 centimeters (31 inches), or 4.3 centimeters (1.7 inches) of drift per year.

"I'm very glad to find the unexplained cause of the rotation pole drift," Seo said. "On the other hand, as a resident of Earth and a father, I'm concerned and surprised to see that pumping groundwater is another source of sea-level rise."

"This is a nice contribution and an important documentation for sure," said Surendra Adhikari, a research scientist at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory who was not involved in this study. Adhikari published the 2016 paper on water redistribution impacting rotational drift. "They've quantified the role of groundwater pumping on polar motion, and it's pretty significant."

The location of the groundwater matters for how much it could change polar drift; redistributing water from the midlatitudes has a larger impact on the rotational pole. During the study period, the most water was redistributed in western North America and northwestern India, both at midlatitudes.

Countries' attempts to slow groundwater depletion rates, especially in those sensitive regions, could theoretically alter the change in drift, but only if such conservation approaches are sustained for decades, Seo said.

The rotational pole normally changes by several meters within about a year, so changes due to groundwater pumping don't run the risk of shifting seasons. But on geologic time scales, polar drift can have an impact on climate, Adhikari said.

The next step for this research could be looking to the past.

"Observing changes in Earth's rotational pole is useful for understanding continent-scale water storage variations," Seo said. "Polar motion data are available from as early as the late 19th century. So, we can potentially use those data to understand continental water storage variations during the last 100 years. Were there any hydrological regime changes resulting from the warming climate? Polar motion could hold the answer."

SpaceNut · 2023-06-19 09:53:09

The earth a billion years ago was rotating at 19 hr days in the past which has slowed over time to where we are with a gradual slowing which means more heat is being absorbed each day than it did decades ago.

tahanson43206 · 2023-06-19 11:21:00

For SpaceNut re #157

Your observation about the length of the "day" is interesting!

The amount of energy received by Earth in an hour would not have changed.

This is a complex system. I wonder if the rate of rotation of the Earth has any effect upon the mechanisms the Earth uses to distribute incoming energy.

Because the Earth is rotating more slowly now, there is more time for the surface to heat up, which might imply there is more heat to transfer to the atmosphere.

Definitely an interesting question.

Assuming the total solar flux has not changed (which definitely is NOT the case) then the total amount of energy impinging upon the surface of the Earth would not have changed.

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SpaceNut · 2023-06-19 14:57:24

Earth's rotation change of an hour means that time will increase over a given area as its moving more slowly which gives that land more time to absorb the energy. So solar watt hours for a give piece of land will increase as it's taking longer to traverse it. So the measured hour is changing due to distance and days period changing for the rotation.

19 hrs x wattage which if the suns energy was the same a billion years ago versus 24 hours x wattage is simple math at this point.

kbd512 · 2023-06-19 15:06:25

Earth has a mass of 5,976,000,000,000Gt, so 2,150Gt of water represents 0.000000000359772% of Earth's mass. The total mass of all water on Earth represents 0.023% of Earth's total mass.

These people who have been mucking about with another computer model are asserting that humans permanently moved that much water to some other place (presumably still on Earth and at or near sea level) over the course of 17 years, but made no mention of how significant groundwater sources haven't been substantially or completely depleted if such a thing were true. How plausible is it that the ground water was never replaced by rainfall if there are still humans living in the areas where that water was permanently displaced from?

33.5 trillion gallons of ground water was allegedly permanently displaced per year, over 17 years, but the people living in the places where this water is "gone for good" haven't already died from lack of water. That seems implausible, to put it mildly. That's equivalent to about 19% of the volume of Lake Superior. Lake Superior contains enough water to flood the entirety of the North and South American continents to a depth of about 1 foot. If we actually did manage to permanently displace that much water, then either something must have either "added it back" for us, or very noticeable swaths of the world's population would no longer have access to their sources of drinking water.

Every year about 540Gt of water flows into the oceans from the world's rivers. Fresh water is only about 2.5% of all the water on Earth, or 34,650,000km^3. If it wasn't being replaced by something, then we should be running desperately short by now.

Lake levels are rising across the world and climate change is to blame

Human activities have displaced so much fresh water that the Earth is about to keel over onto its side, and potentially "fall out of orbit around the Sun, no doubt, whilst lake levels across the entire planet are also rising at record rates, and humans need to be blamed for that, too. Our climate changers need to choose one fraudulent narrative or the other and then stick to their storytelling, rather than talking themselves in circles.

Fresh water permanent depletion hysteria or fresh water rapidly rising hysteria?

Pick one, not both.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-06-23 17:09:09

The biggest man made movement of water I recall was not California but the Russians draining one of the Biggest Lakes on Earth during the USSR, the 'Aral Sea' they Introduced foreign alien fish, drained the Lake for industry and reversed its flow of water and drained it for cotton and for a while people were kinda happy as the trade and economy improved as cotton expanded. Aral Sea was once the world’s fourth-largest lake but not anymore. Now much of it is a vast toxic desert, it is mostly a dried out Lake Dust Bowl straddling the borders of Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, the drying up of the Aral Sea was described by U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon as “one of the planet’s worst environmental disasters” it used to be 68,000 km2 (26,300 sq mi) of Lake and now it is as Low as 3,300 km2 (1,270 sq mi) in measurement the early 2010s. Satellite images by NASA in 2014 revealed that for the first time in modern history the eastern basin of the Aral Sea had completely dried up, the eastern basin is now the lifeless Aralkum Desert. Soviet era Hubris the excessive pride or self-confidence a villainous arrogant character has in a fictional movie just before they cause a huge disaster? They might have even dumped toxins or had chemical biolabs in the region and local clusters of cancers are 22 times higher that of the world average. The Aral Sea was 68,000 km2 (26,300 sq mi) Lake Huron of the five Great Lakes of North America and Michigan are 59,570 km2 and 57,757 km2.

'Aral Sea' The Biggest Environmental Catastrophe Known to Mankind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz_IQa156-4

The guy in the video might sound like an alarmist or Doomer type but I don't know if the Soviet disaster can be over stated.

Abandoned city rumors? Kantubek a ghost town on Vozrozhdeniya Island in the Aral Sea, the town is still found as a dot or spot on maps but was abandoned in 1992 following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the town has since been demolished, Brian Hayes, a biochemical engineer with the United States Defense Threat Reduction Agency, led an expedition in the spring and summer of 2002 to neutralize what was believed to be the world's largest anthrax dumping grounds. His team of 113 people neutralized between 100 and 200 tonnes of anthrax over a three-month period. There are also dumpings of DDT and Pesticide and other chemicals in the region, other report cancers 25 times the world average and the air toxic to breathe, infant mortality some of the highest on Planet Earth.

This is a catastrophic disaster at the hands of the Soviets that changed the environment (including the weather) forever.

The USSR helped make the fourth largest lake almost empty dust, constituting a percentage % of Earths entire supply of Fresh Water, the Aral Sea now standing as a toxic wasteland. If you went there as a 'Tourist' You can see giant ships Stranded out in the Middle of Sandy Desert which was once 'Aral Sea' all for a Communist Utopian Socialist Marxist Stalinist pipe dream to make a better USSR. Some called the disaster 'The Silent Chernobyl' or the Quiet Cherbobyl
https://geographyeducation.org/2015/01/ … -aral-sea/

However it was also recorded lost in old historical records in Year 1417...so the Lake or Aral Sea might have naturally vanished before? An endorheic basin or Endorreic Lake is a drainage basin that normally retains water and allows no outflow, the Black Sea used to be such a basin, until its merger with the Mediterranean and a Black Sea deluge is the best known of three hypothetical flood scenarios and linking to ancient Flood Myths from 8000 years ago, we know not all drainage is man made and Lakes did change in ancient history with glacial meltwaters, the Caspian Sea is another endorheic basin, the world's 'Largest Lake' or largest inland body of water .

Kazakhstan seems to have experienced a success story in trying to restore its part of the 'Sea' a slowing decline and maybe even saving the Sea while sacrifice the Southern Sea by using a Dam to trap the 'Northern Waters' and some old fishing villages begin to restore.

On NASA's site other climate news

El Niño can be seen in sea surface height, as warmer waters pile up due to weakening trade winds, raising sea level.
https://twitter.com/NASAEarth/status/16 … 5441238016
This map shows sea surface height anomalies from the Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich and Sentinel-3B satellites for June 1-10, 2023.

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-08-04 16:48:20

Nuclear vs renewables: Dialogue of the deaf continues in Brussels
https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy … -brussels/

Fossil fuels, renewables and nuclear: The UK's changing energy mix
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63976805

Rapidly retreating Arctic glaciers are triggering the release of ancient methane. Here's why scientists are worried.
https://www.businessinsider.com/retreat … ane-2023-7

The springs were exposed by retreating glaciers in Svalbard, a Norwegian archipelago in the Arctic Ocean.

'Scientists in disbelief as temperatures soar to 37C in South America in the middle of winter'
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-04/ … /102678662

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-08-08 08:55:15

July was the hottest month ever recorded on Earth

https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/08/ … ever-month

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-08-15 07:18:01

July 2023 was the hottest month on Earth since at least 1880 'by a longshot,' NASA says
https://www.space.com/july-hottest-mont … -nasa-says
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NASA’s Latest Climate Projections Could Help Decision-Makers Protect Their Regions
https://www.hstoday.us/subject-matter-a … r-regions/
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Earth just had its hottest July 'by a long shot,' NASA and NOAA say
https://news.yahoo.com/earth-just-had-h … 39589.html

The new milestone follows what was the hottest June in recorded history, and is just the latest in a series of worrying climate extremes in recent months, including record-warmth across the world’s oceans.

“Last month was way, way warmer than anything we’ve ever seen,” Sarah Kapnick, NOAA’s chief scientist, said Monday in a news briefing, adding that July is typically the planet’s warmest month of the year. Given that, “it’s very likely that July 2023 was hotter than any month in any year since at least 1850,” she said.

NASA and NOAA together found that last month’s average global surface temperature was 2.02 degrees Fahrenheit above the 20th-century average. This was the first time an average July temperature recorded 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit, or 1 degree Celsius, above the long-term average, according to NOAA.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-08-16 14:32:51

We’ve Never Seen Antarctic Sea Ice This Low

https://www.universetoday.com/162797/we … -this-low/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-08-22 06:03:09

Coral reefs off the coast of Florida are being hit by a mass bleaching event due to record high ocean temperatures, and early indications suggest a global mass bleaching event could be underway

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/18/noaa-fl … lobal.html

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-09-16 03:21:56

NASA Confirms That 2023 was the Hottest Summer on Record

https://www.universetoday.com/163216/na … on-record/

kbd512 · 2023-09-16 14:56:19

Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds

While rising carbon dioxide concentrations in the air can be beneficial for plants, it is also the chief culprit of climate change. The gas, which traps heat in Earth’s atmosphere, has been increasing since the industrial age due to the burning of oil, gas, coal and wood for energy and is continuing to reach concentrations not seen in at least 500,000 years. The impacts of climate change include global warming, rising sea levels, melting glaciers and sea ice as well as more severe weather events.

Global warming drove 'explosion' of life 500 million years ago that ultimately gave rise to humans

New study reveals sea temperatures of around 25C in 'greenhouse world' that saw emergence of most modern lifeforms
Early life flourished in a “greenhouse world” in which there were no polar ice sheets and sea temperatures around what is now Britain rose to 25C.
The period in Earth’s history known as the “Cambrian explosion” around half a billion years ago saw a massive increase in the diversity of life.
This period saw representatives from all major animal groups emerging for the first time throughout the world’s oceans.
...
Scientists have long suspected this was a particularly warm period in Earth’s history, but until now it has been difficult to prove.
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I guess we don't want another explosion of new life here on Earth. We want temperatures to remain unchanging forever.

Look back at Earth's history. Change is the only constant. Adapt or die.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-10-07 06:46:13

Ozone fixed or not? We also had a natural 'solvent carbon' event with the massive Tonga volcanic eruption which would damage O3 also Antarctica has been getting very warm relatively and pollution dumping? many other world countries outside the USA and Europe are being exposed releasing large quantities of CFCs by pollution, more UV to reach the ground

The Montreal Protocol is an international treaty designed to protect the ozone layer by phasing out the production of numerous substances. Problem of Ozone Depletion has returned, in the past it was found manufactured chemicals, especially manufactured halocarbon refrigerants, solvents, propellants, and foam-blowing agents chlorofluorocarbons were causing the 'hole'. In 2019, NASA reported that the ozone hole was the smallest ever since it was first discovered in 1982 https://www.wsj.com/articles/ozone-hole … 1571847944

The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

https://www.space.com/ozone-hole-antarc … -of-brazil

kbd512 · 2023-10-07 10:39:12

Mars_B4_Moon,

From your article:

The ozone hole still grows and shrinks seasonally, however, due to temperature changes and wind conditions in the stratosphere, reaching a maximum between mid-September and mid-October. "Our operational ozone monitoring and forecasting service shows that the 2023 ozone hole got off to an early start and has grown rapidly since mid-August," Antje Inness, Copernicus Atmosphere Monitoring Service senior scientist, said in a statement.
One possible reason for the higher-than-normal growth is the Hunga Tonga volcanic eruption in January 2022, which introduced massive quantities of water vapor into the air. “The water vapor could have led to the heightened formation of polar stratospheric clouds, where chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) can react and accelerate ozone depletion," said Inness.

From related article:

The Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai eruption in January 2022 was one of the biggest volcanic eruptions in recorded history. Detonating underwater with the force of 100 Hiroshima bombs, the blast sent millions of tons of water vapor high into the atmosphere.

US EPA says Chlorine from underwater volcanic explosions doesn't reach the upper atmosphere, but in the same reporting it states that the ejected materials from the Hunga Tonga explosion did reach the upper atmosphere (and sea water still contains Sodium Chloride, when last I checked). Asserting that these events don't affect atmospheric composition or temperature is downright silly. You can literally see the results with the naked eye and feel the heat on your skin.

This is from Tulane University:
Natural Disasters - The Ocean-Atmosphere System - Prof. Stephen A. Nelson

From the article:

Chlorine gases produced by volcanoes can contribute to ozone depletion in the upper atmosphere.

If we can't figure out a way to blame people for something, then it didn't happen or had no effect when it's painfully obvious to casual observers that it did happen. Hunga Tonga was a 1.5 megaton underwater explosion, so it was too obvious to everyone present that it did happen, but they need to assert that it had no effect, or at least no long-term effect. This messaging is built into the wording of these science articles. It's contradictory and counter-factual. Whenever you're after a specific result, counter-factual evidence gets ignored.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-10-10 11:42:55

Researchers identify largest ever solar storm in ancient 14,300-year-old tree rings

https://phys.org/news/2023-10-largest-s … r-old.html

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-11-27 08:41:59

World's Biggest Iceberg on the Move After 30 Years

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-67507558

So, why, after almost 40 years, is A23a on the move now? "I asked a couple of colleagues about this, wondering if there was any possible change in shelf water temperatures that might have provoked it, but the consensus is the time had just come," said Dr Andrew Fleming, a remote sensing expert from the British Antarctic Survey. "It was grounded since 1986 but eventually it was going to decrease (in size) sufficiently to lose grip and start moving. I spotted first movement back in 2020." A23a has put on a spurt in recent months, driven by winds and currents, and is now passing the northern tip of the Antarctic Peninsula.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2024-02-12 06:30:50

A NASA climate satellite will survey oceans and atmosphere of a warming Earth
https://www.wuwf.org/florida-news/2024- … ming-earth
The Falcon rocket headed south over the Atlantic from Cape Canaveral to achieve a rare polar orbit.

Why are rocket launches so sensitive to weather?

https://space.stackexchange.com/questio … to-weather

Mars_B4_Moon · 2024-03-22 11:45:43

Gravity From Mars has an Effect on Earth’s Oceans

https://www.universetoday.com/166220/gr … hs-oceans/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2024-03-24 04:48:35

Climate models can’t explain 2023’s huge heat anomaly — we could be in uncharted territory
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00816-z
Taking into account all known factors, the planet warmed 0.2 °C more last year than climate scientists expected. More and better data are urgently needed.

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