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el scorcho

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Re: Music on Mars - To what will the Martians jam?

After they've spent a hard sol's night mining the land, pumping CFC's into the atmosphere and throwing people out of airlocks,  :laugh: what will the colonists listen to in order to unwind once they get back to their tuna-can hab? Will there be frivolous future pop hits beamed in from Earth, or will they go for Beethoven? What about jazz? '60s rock? Furthermore, will they have room for, as well as capability to obtain, musical instruments?

Personally I would love to see the first crew to Mars blasting Led Zeppelin's "Immigrant Song" on the way.   Then of course there's my old favorite: John, Paul, George, and Ringo.

*As a side note, has anyone heard of Robert Randolph and the Family Band? I highly reccommend checking out some of their stuff; they are absolutely phenomenal musicians. Kind of a funk overtone with hints of gospel and rock. Think Allman Brothers meets Earth Wind & Fire.

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CanalBuilder

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Re: Music on Mars - To what will the Martians jam?

"Approaching Pavonis Mons by Balloon" from The flaming Lips springs to mind.

Will a lower atmospheric pressure in the habitat change the way the music sounds?

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Palomar

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Re: Music on Mars - To what will the Martians jam?

*Why, The Beatles for one. 

Lots of 1960s stuff, particularly the psychedelic music.

Give me a bit of Antonio Vivaldi or Arcangelo Corelli as well (Baroque). 

Some New-Ageish type stuff might be cool too
(ethereal/otherworldly sounding).

--Cindy

P.S.:  Now that you mention it...one of my "alter-ego" fantasies has always been that of a blues singer in a nightclub.  You know, with the long sparkling gown, the hair done up.  Cigarette smoke drifting over tables as people sip cocktails.  Microphone on a long cord ala the 1970s, that sort of thing.  Hmmm...maybe I'll volunteer for that on Mars.  I'm not too bad of a singer.    :;):  And when it comes to that sad, throaty, crooning music I might actually sound pretty damned good.  Teehee.

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Echus_Chasma

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Re: Music on Mars - To what will the Martians jam?

I forsee an underground culture based around a new musical genre known as "red metal"; in much the same way that black metal is inspired by the fjords, forests and darkness of Scandinavia, red metal will draw its influences from the endless red landscapes and isolated communities of Mars.
:band:

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Rxke

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Re: Music on Mars - To what will the Martians jam?

red metal will draw its influences from the endless red landscapes and isolated communities of Mars.

...And asphyxation, frostbite, CO2 poisoning,...

We could be in for some interesting vocal techniques (I like grindcore, so I'd be a fan for sure !

Echus_Chasma

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Re: Music on Mars - To what will the Martians jam?

Hehehe, definately!
...Get some weird radio-filter vocals recorded from inside their environmental suit happening.

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Rxke

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Re: Music on Mars - To what will the Martians jam?

...Get some weird radio-filter vocals recorded from inside their environmental suit happening.

Oh, but Lo-Fi is so 90's !   

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Re: Music on Mars - To what will the Martians jam?

Or maybe you could setup microphones and amps outside to get a different sound from the thin Martian atmosphere!

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Re: Music on Mars - To what will the Martians jam?

'Chariots of Fire' and 'Blade Runner' composer Vangelis dies aged 79
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Char … 9_999.html

"Blade Runner" and "Chariots of Fire" composer Vangelis, the Oscar-winning electronic music pioneer whose distinctive musical style defined a generation of film soundtracks, has died aged 79, Greece's prime minister said on Thursday.

According to several Greek media outlets, Vangelis died of the coronavirus in France where he lived part-time, as well as in London and Athens.

"Vangelis Papathanassiou is no longer with us," Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis tweeted.

"The world of music has lost the international (artist) Vangelis."

Old topic

Not So Free Chat
'Music'
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=713

'Favorite Sci-Fi Movie? - Blade Runner for me'. . .
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1235

SpaceNut

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Re: Music on Mars - To what will the Martians jam?

How about planet Texas by Kenny Rogers https://genius.com/Kenny-rogers-planet-texas-lyrics
music video

Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: Music on Mars - To what will the Martians jam?

New Video Shows a Flyby of the Planet Mercury - with AI-Assisted Music

https://phys.org/news/2023-06-video-bep … flyby.html

Music and AI

Music was composed for the sequence by ILĀ, with the assistance of AI tools developed by the Machine Intelligence for Musical Audio (MIMA) group, University of Sheffield. Music from the previous two flyby movies composed by Maison Mercury Jones' creative director ILĀ (formerly known as Anil Sebastian) and Ingmar Kamalagharan was given to the AI tool to suggest seeds for the new composition, which ILĀ then chose from to edit and weave together with other elements into the new piece. The team at the University of Sheffield has developed an Artificial Musical Intelligence (AMI), a large-scale general-purpose deep neural network that can be personalized to individual musicians and use cases.

The project with the University of Sheffield is aimed at exploring the boundaries of the ethics of AI creativity, while also emphasizing the essential contributions of the (human) composer.

Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: Music on Mars - To what will the Martians jam?

Will Mars listen to some new weird from of Chinese Rock Pop or to smooth jazz like Songbird? For now the dominant culture exported to space or landing on Mars has been the USA and China.

Others might get there some new age Euro rock or pop, Japanese pop and rock music can be very unique and very strange, India is growing in space.

Jazz is a strange one while it is a very interesting art form and it has great players I wonder if somewhere along the way it lost some of its root, the Blues and Swing that gave it that dancing and jamming feel? I think jazz evolved into something strange for people, it became a pure musicians music and maybe  jazz mixed with junk or progressive rock, mixed with latin fusion it becomes flirty and smooth and makes people sway, incorporated into other genres that have solid melodies seem to be catchy. Without its root maybe it goes to far into formless progression or fusion, or maybe it lacks the energy in those smokey NewYork venue and it begins to sound like noise to people that like a more simple Blues or Pop form, maybe people need vocal lines and are less into instrumentals, some like Old-Jazz the Swing standards but hate the squeaky loud bum notes and dislike improvisation even more, musicians might like the innovation and surprises. The improvised solos are one thing a lot of people seem to hate, there is no form, no melodic structure them, no bars, a sudden solo but no set number of measures...it drives people crazy including other musicians they want it timed and tighter not something lost in some drugged out inspiration dream land in some smokey underground bar cafe, a shorter more tidy solo and Not 5 minutes per instrument. Musical themes repeat on instruments, even in complex Classical Music forms a Melody might repeat in a slight varation later in the song, in pop repeating Verse and Chorus and Verse and Chorus, Jazz begins to break rules no symmetry, the balance goes, they change chords and key too much, they even go into modes with a certain modal emotion and then destroy it by totally changing the scale to something very dark or ridiculously happy, it becomes a silly performance that people take too serious perhaps over analyse and for the math and computer minded, free form jazz is missing the circle, no repeated pattern other than a beat and lacks the anticipated repetition. Some might hear jazz like a cartoon  cat walking on a keyboar, or the brass as a dog howling while getting castrated or the lead might seem as if he got paid by the note because he seems to play as many as possible, just without any clarity or tone or any kind of organization.

2015 article

Caleb Dolister is the drummer for The Kandinsky Effect

Does jazz music really suck?
https://calebdolister.medium.com/does-j … c6de1e69bf

Once regarded as a prestigious and respected art form, for many jazz has become the ugliest kid at the dance, and somehow simply mentioning its name can be a total buzzkill. What happened?

Getting back to that party….

The other thing that happens when you ask someone that doesn’t follow jazz music to define the genre, is they think about where they’ve heard it, and what they experienced from it. Classic jazz is usually what’s seen on TV, so it’s likely that they have that as an expectation. In live settings, anything modern may be totally unrecognized. And what is presented as “jazz” is often drastically subdued. This is where another problem occurs.

Jazz is widely used as background music.

Unless someone already likes jazz and knows where to attend good live concerts, they have probably only experienced the genre over the speakers at Coffee shops. Or Elevators. Or Dentist lobbies. And then they think about where they have seen it live — stuffed in corners at restaurants, dinner sets at weddings, or old guys with saxophones outside ballparks…. (those guys are awesome btw).

Basically, jazz recordings are associated with elevator purgatory, and live jazz is played in settings where it’s supposed to be ignored. Even if the music is good, the scenario is not. This is a fundamental issue.

Free Jazz for some perhaps an intrusive distraction but maybe not enough harmony or melody to hold some others attention and yet among 'jazz' the most hated man in Jazz is perhaps a smooth Jazz player, who the other elites of Jazz say he went too melodic, smooth, emotional and mainstream

'Kenneth Bruce Gorelick, known professionally as Kenny G, is an American smooth jazz saxophonist'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN2RnjFHmNY

Japan was also big on the jazz scene for a while

Let's hope their new mission is successful, all kinds of culture and language have orbited their satellites around the new or gone offworld with missions. The Soviets USSR / Russia, the USA, China, India, ESA, Japan, S.Korea through a Private Space-X launch. Only the USA NASA has safely landed men on another body and only the USA, Russia, China and India have done successful lander missions on the Moon, only NASA-JPL / the USA and China have successfully put a Rover on Mars. Luxembourg also sent a mission to the Moon on a Manfred Memorial Moon Mission, the first private lunar probe to successfully fly by the Moon on a Private Long March launch, it was led by LuxSpace, a child company of German OHB System. So it seems Luexmbourg with a tiny space agency LSA and a lot of start up ideas, would export Luxembourgish, French and German and old Walloons to the Moon and maybe even as far as Mars?

'Swan lake. Clown dance'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98uEZhMbbfg

Fred Astaire playing the drums in his bedroom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=479-6WzYTgY

Korean dance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFHN6cC9B4A

Indian Nritya dance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V4fjpdn4ME

Debussy Clair de Lune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o7wUCpjTNo

UC Berkeley Chinese Dance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFUQP-J31RI

No longer just cute, Babymetal keeps rocking the music world
https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13047859

The original US 'Rock' might have come from Country Folk sounds and the African Blues roots but now it has morphed into something very different around the world. In Japan, something new, the Cute and Heavy Metal might not normally work but in Japan it does, a mix of Kawaii metal J-pop and power metal, into one new cartoonish looking Heavy Rock Cute genre, would the people of Mars jam to such a crazy sound.

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SpaceNut

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Re: Music on Mars - To what will the Martians jam?

Just listened to a very low bass version of Ghost riders
https://youtu.be/y5qZrrovpuw?si=-v6mQNx_Ec3lrLr8

Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: Music on Mars - To what will the Martians jam?

The stuff people invent, a bass that moves like a rotating machine...is that dangerous if your little baby pinky finger got caught?

Plucking Slapping the Rotating barrel Bass guitar also added an artificial electronic audio Loop, drum backing tracks with his Bass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxMxqZv4910

Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: Music on Mars - To what will the Martians jam?

Book Review: The Music of Space – Scoring the Cosmos in Film and Television

https://www.leonarddavid.com/book-revie … elevision/