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South Korea launches homegrown rocket after delay

https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Sout … y_999.html

Mars_B4_Moon

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Congrats to SpaceX on yet another successful launch! The CRS28 is bringing essential supplies, food, and scientific experiments International SpaceStation

https://twitter.com/SenBillNelson/statu … 4367497218

Dr. Somanath has said all stages of the GSLV Mk-3 rocket that will launch Chandrayaan3 have arrived at Sriharikota and will be integrated together as well as with the spacecraft at the end of this month.

https://twitter.com/isrospaceflight/sta … 3401967616

ISRO readies plan for next generation launch vehicle

https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/scien … 946403.ece

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ISRO has published the partial NOTAM for the launch of Chandrayaan3!!
https://twitter.com/ISROSpaceflight/sta … 8437657600
The enforcement duration is July 12-25

Unmanned Robot Lander or more like a Spider?

The HinduNews and other India news sites reported Chandrayaan-3 is a planned third lunar exploration by India, the Launch Vehicle is a Mark-III or LVM3 the previous design referred to as the Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle Mark III or GSLV Mk III

link
https://www.isro.gov.in/chandrayaan3_gallery.html

mid-July window for the launch of India’s third lunar mission, has begun the process of final assembly of payloads at the UR Rao Satellite Centre (URSC) in Bengaluru.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/hom … 322580.cms

Regarding Chandrayaan-3, ISRO's third moon mission, Somanath said it is due to be launched in mid July. ISRO will follow the same process that was adopted during the Chandrayaan-2 mission, he said.
"We are going in the same path of Chandrayaan-2 because we have already done that. We have experience to do it in that manner but it all depends on various other factors whether there are any other contingency conditions," Somanath said, adding, "The landing flight is just the same as previously. No change."
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne … s?from=mdr

Manned
https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge … 622232553/
"For Gaganyaan, the first and foremost thing is that the abort mission has to be done. For that, we have made a new rocket called a test vehicle, which is ready at Sriharikota. Assemblies of the crew module and crew escape system are just getting ready," Somanath told reporters when asked about the latest update on Gaganyaan.

Human Space Flight
https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/scien … 907883.ece

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Ariane 5’s Final Flight – A Look Back as Ariane 6’s Costly Succession Looms

https://spaceref.com/space-commerce/ari … ion-looms/

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Europe retires Ariane-5 and is without launcher

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202307/0 … 6dcbd.html

Europe's Ariane-5 rocket completes final launch

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66116894

The unavailability of home-grown rockets prompted European Space Agency director general Josef Aschbacher to declare recently that "Europe finds itself... in an acute launcher crisis".

Ariane-5 goes into retirement having lifted more than 230 satellites into orbit, equating to almost 1,000 tonnes of hardware.

As well as James Webb, high-profile missions have included the launch of the comet-chaser Rosetta (2004); the giant environmental observer Envisat (2002); the 20-tonne space station freighter, ATV (2008); and, most recently, Europe's Jupiter moons explorer, Juice (2023).

The rocket was conceived in the 1980s as a way of launching an astronaut shuttle called Hermes. That plan was abandoned because of cost, and the vehicle was brought into service in 1996 purely to loft satellites.

For much of its career, it was launching half of all big telecommunications satellites.

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RocketLab NZ Electron/Curie

Kinéis 1-5
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/4706
First batch of five satellites for the French Kinéis IoT constellation designed to operate with 25 nanosatellites of 30 kg each

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I was about to start a new post, but this topic comes close enough for what I want.

I want to suggest how US and Associates might have a collection of methods for collaborating to achieve great things in space.  Some people like "Zero Sum" evaluations or as I call it binary decisions.  I don't like that to be the evaluation method all the time.

Systems which excite me the most at this time are:
-Starship/Superheavy, Also Falcon rockets.
-NEUTRON
-NOVA
-Dream Chaser

More are expected to approach real potential such as:
Blue Origin products.
Relativity Space, Terran-R

I don't want to Red Team vs. Blue Team these things in Zero Sum evaluations.  It is clear that we as of a kind of association of related cultures, can benefit if many or all of these systems turn out to be of benefit.

Pause..............Coffee.................

For instance, "The Angry Astronaut" has a dual evaluation of Starship and Neutron where he does give favor to Neutron.
Here it is: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ORM=WRVORC
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The most sophisticated rocket ever is coming next year! And SpaceX isn’t building it!
YouTube
The Angry Astronaut
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1 hour ago

Neutron looks very good, but I think that it is a "Up-Mass" system only.  If you hardened the 2nd stage for it, so that it could do "Down-Mass", then there is not so much purpose for the ride-along fairings.

But Neutron could partner with other vendors to get the "Down-Mass" service if any is needed.

I guess I will venture a "Perhaps-Someday" for a hybrid system.  For Both Starship and NOVA (Stoke Space), I can imagine making a lightweight 1st stage someday.  But I would stay with Stainless Steel for the 2nd stages.  But I would consider that to be low priority for now.  That is a pursuit of efficiency, when now we want a pursuit of capability.

I also made a post about NOVA today, here it is: https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 35#p227635

Anyway, some very encouraging stuff.

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kbd512

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I think it's rather silly to believe that one kind of rocket / vehicle can best serve all mission requirements.  A Starship is not an appropriate launch vehicle to deliver a micro satellite.  A micro satellite launcher is not appropriate for launching a crewed mission to the moon.  There's room for both kinds of vehicles in our ecosystem of launch vehicles.  We have a plethora of different types of vehicles, because all are useful when appropriately used.  A carpenter who only has a saw or hammer is not going to be a very effective carpenter.  A carpenter equipped with an entire room filled with different kinds of tools can do lots of carpentry jobs, optimally, and produce excellent results in all cases.  We should be striving for excellence.

It should be instructive that the majority of all payloads are now delivered by American-built or American-funded orbital launch vehicles, specifically because we have devoted the time and money to different kinds of vehicles that serve some role in an optimal way.  The greater the number of engines and vehicles we drag across the finish line, the more options we have on the go-forward.  To that end, if the British don't continue to fund their SABRE engine concept, then we should pick up where they left off.

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The builders of Sabre,  in the UK,  just went broke. 

GW

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Financial Times: British aerospace pioneer Reaction Engines collapses into administration October 31, 2024

British aerospace pioneer Reaction Engines has collapsed into administration after failing to secure new funding, ending ambitious hopes of revolutionising air travel by making hypersonic flight a reality.
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A spokesperson for Mercedes F1 said the company was in “active dialogue with the administrators to ensure the necessary hardware supply for the 2025 season”.

Reaction’s technology is part of the cooling system in the engines used by Mercedes F1 and supplied to McLaren, Williams and Aston Martin to help optimise performance.

The company’s demise could also trigger a battle over the ownership of the intellectual property of its cutting-edge technology
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The company’s collapse raises questions over a UK-led military project to pursue reusable hypersonic air vehicle technologies.

Along with Rolls-Royce, the Royal Air Force and the defence research agency Defence Science and Technology Laboratory, Reaction was part of the consortium behind the project, which had hoped to fly a demonstrator vehicle as early as the middle of this decade.

GW Johnson

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I made note of that same unfortunate news in Meta New Mars/GW Johnson postings .../post number 442.

With all the legal battles,  the SABRE engine,  and the fast cooling technology (that was integral to SABRE,  but has other applications) is basically lost to users.  It will remain lost until the lawyers quite fighting over it.

GW

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