New Mars Forums

Official discussion forum of The Mars Society and MarsNews.com

You are not logged in.

Announcement

Announcement: This forum is accepting new registrations by emailing newmarsmember * gmail.com become a registered member. Read the Recruiting expertise for NewMars Forum topic in Meta New Mars for other information for this process.

#201 2003-01-29 12:06:17

CalTech2010
Member
From: United States, Colorado
Registered: 2002-11-23
Posts: 433

Re: Leaglize drugs - say what u want

Who do you know that smoked pot for a short time and then all of a sudden stopped cold turkey?


"Some have met another fate.  Let's put it this way... they no longer pose a threat to the US or its allies and friends." -- President Bush, State of the Union Address

Offline

#202 2003-01-29 12:14:18

soph
Member
Registered: 2002-11-24
Posts: 1,492

Re: Leaglize drugs - say what u want

heh, i know a lot of people in pretty much each of my classes that have done just that.

Offline

#203 2003-01-29 12:17:04

CalTech2010
Member
From: United States, Colorado
Registered: 2002-11-23
Posts: 433

Re: Leaglize drugs - say what u want

Wow.  That's really weird, soph.  For some reason, all of the marijuana users I know can't think about anything else all day.  The joy they look forward to at the end (or sometimes the middle) of each week is a blunt and a gas station cigar.


"Some have met another fate.  Let's put it this way... they no longer pose a threat to the US or its allies and friends." -- President Bush, State of the Union Address

Offline

#204 2003-01-29 13:14:09

clark
Member
Registered: 2001-09-20
Posts: 6,374

Re: Leaglize drugs - say what u want

Cal, that's becuase you are surrounded by adolecent morons.

Children shouldn't use drugs, period. Your sample group only proves this point.

Marijuana really isn't physically addictive, but it can become psychologicaly addictive. Children get screwed up for precisely this reason.

Most addicts are the result of early abuse of drugs as children- they stunt themselves psychologically and emotionaly.

Offline

#205 2003-01-29 21:53:42

Josh Cryer
Moderator
Registered: 2001-09-29
Posts: 3,830

Re: Leaglize drugs - say what u want

I've experienced marijuana several times, but have never become addicted. However, cigarettes are another story. I've never become a full time smoker, but I've come close.

I will never try any hard drugs.


Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
--------
The amount of solar radiation reaching the surface of the earth totals some 3.9 million exajoules a year.

Offline

#206 2003-02-05 21:19:15

CalTech2010
Member
From: United States, Colorado
Registered: 2002-11-23
Posts: 433

Re: Leaglize drugs - say what u want

Cal, that's becuase you are surrounded by adolecent morons.

Children shouldn't use drugs, period. Your sample group only proves this point.

I don't know if you've noticed, clark, but by high school the average student who won't go to college has become the average American.  It's not like you magically become wise and mature after you get your GED.  Adults and even older citizens are stupid about things, too.  I see a bunch of adults in my community that use pot and act just like my friends.  I'm glad that Josh knows all of the responsible pot users... I'd like to meet one sometime.

I just noticed what a funny coincidence it is that it's called "high" school.  Weird  big_smile  tongue


"Some have met another fate.  Let's put it this way... they no longer pose a threat to the US or its allies and friends." -- President Bush, State of the Union Address

Offline

#207 2003-02-06 08:56:17

Josh Cryer
Moderator
Registered: 2001-09-29
Posts: 3,830

Re: Leaglize drugs - say what u want

If I were you, and I was around these people whowere so disagreeable, I would find new friends... it's that simple, really... they'll learn that that behavior is undesired, and they'll get their act together.

Since it's just pot, they're not addicted, so stopping is quite easy. Obviously if it's more addicting drugs, then they're screwed, but they can stop with the pot. They just need incentive.


Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
--------
The amount of solar radiation reaching the surface of the earth totals some 3.9 million exajoules a year.

Offline

#208 2023-06-16 05:09:26

Mars_B4_Moon
Member
Registered: 2006-03-23
Posts: 9,776

Re: Leaglize drugs - say what u want

As free as Musk is he did have to answer for his behavior and he got in trouble after he smoked on Joe Rogan

Weed maybe just maybe and booze has been around a while, the reason I have reluctance to Weed is I have seen the wasteful weird party lifestyle of people. Nobody wants an addictive type, they can be annoying like drunks but in a much different way, drunks can be party, loud and mess and social but Weed types get annoying and withdrawn and if stating from a young age they can especially fall to paranoia and mental illness. I do not agree 'Cannabis' is some mind expanding thing or the cure all drug like the users claim it to be.

More Police or Political remedy and solution

Spanish Police found 1,000kg of cocaine hidden inside of rocks
https://twitter.com/clipsthatgohard/sta … 6710739968

Legalizing hard drugs not a 'panacea' to opioids crisis, Trudeau says
https://infotel.ca/newsitem/legalizing- … ys/it68717

Drug and crime documentary "Canada Is Dying" bolsters anti-Trudeau sentiments
https://dailyhive.com/canada/canada-is- … ti-trudeau

Canada’s struggle with the overdose crisis and violent crime

and Remember the political slogans
Drugs are not a threat to mankind but 'person'-kind

Trump pledges to battle drug cartels, combat fentanyl crisis if re-elected in 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- … ected-2024

Last edited by Mars_B4_Moon (2023-06-16 05:14:15)

Offline

#209 2023-11-07 12:44:34

Mars_B4_Moon
Member
Registered: 2006-03-23
Posts: 9,776

Re: Leaglize drugs - say what u want

Scientists Are Researching a Device That Can Induce Lucid Dreams on Demand
https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7bxdx/ … -on-demand

Offline

#210 2023-11-27 05:49:36

Mars_B4_Moon
Member
Registered: 2006-03-23
Posts: 9,776

Re: Leaglize drugs - say what u want

Shock as New Zealand axes world-first smoking ban
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-67540190

Offline

#211 2023-11-29 07:22:59

Mars_B4_Moon
Member
Registered: 2006-03-23
Posts: 9,776

Re: Leaglize drugs - say what u want

Australia

NSW drug law overhaul would allow six marijuana plants for personal use
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n … rsonal-use

What Alaska Marijuana Dispensaries Can Learn From Colorado, Washington
https://abcnews.go.com/business/lessons … d=29184584


There are many Psychopharmacological social models and theories that explain the relationship between drugs and crime.

Many rumors of Alcohol Abuse and Pot-Heads at the Poles, Amundsen-Scott Station in Antarctica.


Some claim it was murder
In the snow isolation location at the South Pole

behind a subscription paywall
https://www.magzter.com/stories/lifesty … -OR-MURDER
It’s been 23 years since Rodney, a Geelong-born astrophysicist, became fatally ill while working on a remote station in the South Pole as part of a research project.
Rodney started feeling sick as he walked back to base from a remote observatory. He was suffering from stomach pains, nausea and was feverish.
Despite repeated visits to the station’s doctor, the cause of his maladies remained unknown. Thirty-six hours later, just as doctors began seeking outside medical advice via satellite, Rodney dropped dead.
https://www.magzter.com/stories/lifesty … -OR-MURDER

the guy who dies is put on ice and post-mortem does not happen until six months later when a fatal quantity of Methanol is found

a doctor Robert Thompson goes missing, different scientific institutes and corporate influence, and claims from different government authority begin to swirl. The real truth about what happened remains unknown leading to more 'conspiracy' stories even today.

one of the most inhospitable regions on the planet, different claims of territory and law and winters of perpetual darkness

A New Zealand newspaper reported that police had investigated cannabis grown at Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station – perhaps hidden in air ducts – in connection with the 2000 death of Rodney Marks.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-twist … 4KX4DNZ2Q/

Testimony was given by some witnesses of cannabis being grown, and a stash of marijuana being found at one of the base's large telescopes.

Marks was an Australian astrophysicist who died from methanol poisoning, Marks had wintered over at the South Pole station in 1997–1998, before being employed at the South Pole with the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory. He became increasingly sick over a 36-hour period, three times returning increasingly distressed to the station's doctor. Advice was sought by satellite, but Marks died in 2000, aged 32, with his condition undiagnosed, he died after going into 'CardiacArrest'.

At the time of his death, AST/RO was in the early stages of what promised to be its most successful winter observing season ever.

https://web.archive.org/web/20061026171 … /0700c.htm

2017 article

they speculate murder

'The Mystery Of The South Pole’s Only Murder'

only 49 other people were living on the base at the time, it seemed like it would be easy to narrow down the suspect pool.

they say
https://allthatsinteresting.com/rodney-marks

Marks was an experienced scientist, and the likelihood that he or any of the other experienced scientists around him would risk drinking a homemade spirit was extremely low.

or

or maybe he was 'stoned' and drank something he expected to be beer or vodka and it had a reaction inside his body

crimes and accidents include:

    One scientist was rumored to have snapped and killed his opponent with an ax after losing a chess match in 1959.
    Three scientists died after their Muskeg tractor plunged into a crevasse in 1965
    Casey Jones died while trying [t]o clear snow from the fan room shaft after the snow collapsed and crushed him in 1980.
    A Russian scientist allegedly stabbed another person due to a nervous breakdown in 2018.

Such crimes are part of the South Pole package as the harsh environment, cramped living quarters, and seeing the same people for months can be stressful.

    According to Peter Suedfeld, a psychologist at the University of British Columbia, “You’re far away from home. You’re far away from the people that form your normal social network. You’re isolated with a group of people you didn’t choose.”

A study has also proven that people are more likely to react violently and show aggressive behavior if their circadian cycles are disrupted.


Methanol toxicity or methanol poisoning is poisoning from the substance methanol, characteristically via ingestion. Symptoms include a decreased level of consciousness, poor or no coordination, vomiting, abdominal pain. Fomepizole can be used as a counter or Ethanol, the active ingredient in alcoholic beverages, acts as a competitive inhibitor by more effectively binding and saturating the alcohol dehydrogenase enzyme.

Then, the New Zealand investigators hit a wall with the U.S. government.

The territory on which the Amundsen-Scott Station is built has long since been a source of controversy between the U.S. and New Zealand. Though it is a U.S. base, and most of the people who work there are Americans, the land on which it sits is claimed by New Zealand. The arrangement had caused strife before, but especially during the investigation.

The official investigation was headed up by a man named Grant Wormald, with the New Zealand Police Department. When he reached out to the Americans on the base for interviews, only 13 of the 49 acquiesced. Furthermore, when he asked the U.S. for information on the scientists they had stationed at the base, the U.S. declined to comment, or aid Wormald’s investigation at all.

Instead, they conducted an investigation of their own, which they didn’t share with Wormald, or make public to him. To this day, no one knows how far the investigation went, or how much the U.S. was able to find out.

The mystery of Rodney Marks’ death is still ongoing, as Wormald’s investigation was never closed. However, the likelihood of finding any new information from one of the most remote and mysterious places on Earth is low. For now, Rodney Marks remains the South Pole’s only murder, yet unsolved.

years of "legal, diplomatic and jurisdictional hurdles" faced by police - and have led to new rules being developed to deal with sudden deaths in Antarctica.

According to the reports, he was experiencing joint and stomach pains. He was also exhibiting photosensitivity, requiring that he wear sunglasses, even in a place with the 24-hour night.
Along with the deteriorating physical health, his mental facilities were also weakening. The mental strain and anxiety are not unusual for those at the south pole as it can be quite stressful to be cooped up there with no sunlight for months on end.
This is also why the doctor gave Marks an antipsychotic injection to help him relax on his third visit. Marks visibly relaxed with slower breathing as he lied down.
However, soon after getting the injection, he went into cardiac arrest.
https://mysteriousfacts.com/mysterious- … outh-pole/

Astrophysicist’s South Pole Death Remains a Mystery
https://www.universetoday.com/18637/ast … ght-years/

the Doctor seems to have been dealing with his own health issues

Dr. Robert S. Thompson was stationed at the South Pole from the fall of 1999 until the fall of 2000 and served as the station's physician. He looks back on his time at the bottom of world and offers his thoughts about a jinx on the doctors assigned there.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-jinx-at-the-south-pole/

I had a reporter seriously ask me the other day if I thought the ozone hole over Antarctica was causing the South Pole physician’s health to give out. I calmly pointed out that there was no known link between the kinds of problems we Pole docs had experienced and ozone depletion. Furthermore, it would have to be an extremely selective ozone hole to target only a specific job description. Cancer, trauma, and a medical illness are not linked to each other, or any known risk of being at the South Pole.

Thankfully, pain is a fleeting memory, otherwise women would never have more than one child. Without a doubt, the lowest ebb of my life was spent at the South Pole. Still, now that I am doing so much better, and with the perspective of time, I am starting to think I actually enjoyed my stay down at the Pole. The friendships, support, and bonding I experienced with my fellow Poleys can never be duplicated. I have never been surrounded by such a quality group of talented people in my career.

With the perspective of hindsight, I should have left the Pole when I had the chance, if there was indeed a chance. The contractor, their air support, the medical consults, and Dr. Shemenski will make the best decision weighing all the benefits and risks as to whether or not to go ahead with the airlift. Some of the information that factors into this decision can change from day to day. I can say from experience that there was no feeling of helplessness like being the only doctor at the bottom of the world and being injured. The station physician also has to be cognizant of his or her ability to deliver care to the rest of the base, which I fortunately was able to do in spite of my injury. If one is superstitious, then this string of three sick or hurt South Pole physicians can be attributed to a jinx or bad luck. But I do not believe it is a reflection on any faulty policy, decision making, or administration of the polar program. The South Pole is the harshest environment on Earth, and everyone that agrees to winter over there assumes a risk, including for limited resources and help from the outside world. Livin there during the winter is unlike any other place that people inhabit, including the International Space Station. At least from there, you could re-enter the atmosphere, and fall back to the real world virtually any time of the year.

An Unsolved 'Cold Case'

https://www.shared.com/south-pole-unsolved-mystery/

he was engaged to 'Sonja Wolter'


The Doctor might have known the medical history of Australian astrophysicist Rodney Marks and that he had 'Tourette' syndrome which might have encouraged the Doctor to give him an 'antipsychotic' however this was the wrong choice of action if he wanted to save his patient.


A California weekly newspaper reported in 2011 that a United States Marshal at McMurdo Station had ensured that cannabis is not grown at the station's greenhouse
https://eastbayexpress.com/us-marshals- … arctica-1/

Last edited by Mars_B4_Moon (2023-11-29 08:05:04)

Offline

#212 2023-12-24 02:45:37

Mars_B4_Moon
Member
Registered: 2006-03-23
Posts: 9,776

Re: Leaglize drugs - say what u want

looking out for the ‘Cheech & Chong’ voter

Joe Biden Kamala Harris policy? Pardon Marijuana Use Nationwide??

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo … y-actions/

Hindu Indian Pure try prohibition on alcohol

A dry state’s tryst with liquor; many more ‘GIFTs’ to follow?
https://www.gujaratsamachar.com/news/gu … rohibition
A liquor ban has been in place in Mahatma Gandhi’s home state

but not every one was happy to see marijuana is legal in New York City

https://nypost.com/2023/04/16/how-new-y … d-zombies/

Let’s be blunt — legal weed is turning New York workers into zombies

Last edited by Mars_B4_Moon (2023-12-24 02:49:46)

Offline

#213 2024-03-05 05:17:11

Mars_B4_Moon
Member
Registered: 2006-03-23
Posts: 9,776

Re: Leaglize drugs - say what u want

British warship and U.S. aircraft seize 6,000 pounds of cocaine and other drugs after "high-speed chase" in Caribbean Sea

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/british-wa … bbean-sea/

Offline

Board footer

Powered by FluxBB