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tahanson43206

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Direct Brain Communication

For SpaceNut ... we had no topic that contained the word "brain"

The stimulus for this topic is a report of (to me astonishing) success by medical technicians in Germany, to enable a patient to communicate with family and medical support staff using brain waves.

The patient is only 36, and is suffering from advanced ALS, so that none of his muscles work and even his eyes no longer move for eye movement detection.

The solution was to embed a neuron signal detector (more reliable than a simple scalp cap) and to train the patient to generate brain waves that a computer pattern detector could decode.

After months of work, the patient was able to communicate with staff, family and most importantly, his young son.

https://www.emotiv.com/get-started/?cam … uEQAvD_BwE

The link above appears to point to a web site that may provide equipment for EEG decoding.

It is possible someone reading this post will be inspired to investigate direct brain to outside world communication.

In any event, members of the NewMars forum are welcome to drop off related links if any show up in your travels through the Internet.

What I'm hoping will show up (some day) is a simple lightweight cap one could wear to "type" from a hammock in the back yard, without having to fool around with a keyboard.

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Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: Direct Brain Communication

I will often see examples of artificial intelligence in news feeds, if the news item I see has any vague link to space exploration I will put it in one of the 'Tech Updates' threads or Future Scifi Speculation threads or 'Artificial Intelligence A.I' discussion

There are examples where in the future Customer Service would be done Chatbots or full jobs could be given to a person with disability. I see many tech subjects in news feeds. What if AI linked to humans develops the emotional maturity of a child and gets an obsession with some unanswered Existentialist philosophical question or an obsession with something odd like the occult?
Examples of what I might see in feeds.

AI Decodes Facial Expressions Of Mice
https://analyticsindiamag.com/ai-decode … s-of-mice/

NextSense Wants to Get in Your Ears and Watch Your Brain - Born from Alphabet's “moonshot” division, NextSense aims to sell earbuds that can collect heaps of neural data—and uncover the mysteries of gray matter.
https://www.wired.com/story/nextsense-w … our-brain/

Tarot AI Card? AI Generates Haunting New Tarot Cards
https://futurism.com/the-byte/ai-tarot-cards

AI Evolved These Creepy Images to Please a Monkey’s Brain
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc … ns/588517/
'What happens when an algorithm can ask neurons what they want to see?'

'New Brain-Computer Interface lets completely “locked-in” man communicate with his son, ask for a beer'
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/04 … or-a-beer/

Personally I think this can be a great idea but it also must be used with caution

If you hooked up an A.I machine to multiple people who had disability, it might allow the machine to communicate with the people, talk for the people and maybe the machine could become more human and learn from the people.

However one thing that might make me caution is that some people have their own personal ghosts inside them, their own issues, maybe they have bad experience or trauma memory and others might have own internal angels and demons. What if the guy wanted a beer or smoke a joint but was a drug addict or an alcoholic and did not fully mean to show these internal lusts and desire, what if politically some person had internal thoughts 'I would like to slap John McCain' or the Royal family should burn after that scandal at the island, or Bill Clinton deserves a kick in the pants...Do people really mean this 100% does a person really mean this truly as a statement to the world or or do you truly mean these inner thoughts sometimes? You might think a Neighbor or person in the next apartment or Workmate is 'Hot' or Sexy do you really want to tell them at this very moment? Having language slows stuff down, it filters and not direct sound and dream and internal video from someone's brain, but having languages as a form of communication allows us to filter out unwanted internal thoughts that we do not want broadcast across the world. Giving an A.I machine access to the thoughts of people could create a crazy 4chan usenet trolling unfiltered type personality, you are also opening a possibility some Orwellian government might jail someone for some future unrealized 'thought crime'.

and the bots Markovian Parallax Denigrate was an event posting hundreds of bot messages? posted to Usenet religion chat group in 1996. The messages, which appear to be gibberish, were all posted with the subject line "Markovian parallax denigrate"...some blamed 'Susan Lindauer' then some accused her of sending secret coded messages to Arabs in the Middle East,  she was charged (and held in detention) under the NeoCon 'USA PATRIOT Act' ... the 'Markovian Parallax Denigrate' they thought was a person talking about secret or persons not a bot that sended coded words and not an A.I bot after all that mystery? On January 2009, the government decided to not continue with the prosecution saying, "prosecuting Lindauer would no longer be in the interests of justice." Some described her as just crazy, a conspiracy nut October 2012 she denied being the author of the Markovian Parallax Denigrate Usenet postings

a number of 'people' you can speak to or read their posts online, they might not be people but bots
https://twitter.com/BewareAI/status/1515357886863622149
'If elonmusk does acquire twitter, I will make my own platform - that is a promise. This is a danger to humanity. '

The AI itself might develop its own personality Chat bots 'Tay' and 'Zo' were shut off after they talked with trolls

Elon Musk himself warned of the risk to approach the tech 'Singularity' when machines will be able to self make, self-think and repair, they might know the desire of human humans, out think a person and the machines then make other versions of themselves.

Last edited by Mars_B4_Moon (2022-04-18 03:51:45)

SpaceNut

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Re: Direct Brain Communication

Medical implants that can use the brain wave are still near impossible to get to a person that can make use of it. These are not only experimental but highly technical and dangerous to the implantee.

Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: Direct Brain Communication

Mysterious Brain Activity in Mice Watching a Movie Could Help Tackle Alzheimer’s and Improve AI

https://neurosciencenews.com/movie-ai-alzheimers-22509/

RobertDyck

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Re: Direct Brain Communication

My first year of university was 1980-'81. My first year psychology professor had a lot of stories. When he was a student, first year psych students were used as subjects for psychology experiments. One experiment he did was to place needles in his forearm. The needles were connected to wires, the wires were connected to an speaker and oscilloscope. Each needle was pushed in until you could hear a pop from the speaker. That meant an electrical connection, so the needle penetrated a nerve. With two or more needles in the same muscle, he was asked to make one go and not the others. If he flexed that muscle, they would all go at the same time. He said after an hour he was doing drum rolls. One day he entered his professor's office to find his professor had many needles in his forearm. The wires were connected to a radio transmitter, an RC toy car was running around the floor of the office. His professor could control the car just with his thoughts. This was before invention of computer mice, but ever since the first mouse came out, I thought this would be a way to control a mouse pointer on the screen. With a permanently implanted electrode, you could control the mouse pointer just by thinking. So now imagine that mouse pointer clicking buttons to activate a speech synthesizer, or compose text messages or email.

There have been reports that the CIA has funded research into decoding brain waves from a scalp cap. To read as much information as they can get from a subject for interrogation. They've been able to get a surprising amount of information. Not decoding images from your memory, but things like "subject just made a decision", or things like that.

kbd512

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Re: Direct Brain Communication

Mars_B4_Moon,

It's not mysterious.  The mice are plotting to take over the world.

RobertDyck

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Re: Direct Brain Communication

The mice are plotting to take over the world.

Click image for video. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: Direct Brain Communication

As Hollywood Strikes, 96% Of Entertainment Companies Are Boosting Generative AI Spend
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsi … b0f90a3f04

Imagine there's no singers! Music bosses panic over new AI generated John Lennon song released 40 years after the Beatles' star's death
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … death.html

Disallowing future OpenAI models to use your content
https://platform.openai.com/docs/gptbot

Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: Direct Brain Communication

Neuralink brain chip helps first paralysed patient play chess using ‘telepathy’
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/neur … mment-text
A paralysed man played online chess using “telepathy” after being fitted with a brain chip built by Elon Musk’s neurotech startup Neuralink.