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Underwater Homes: From Coral Reef Condos to Submarine Structures

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Here is a small version of a future state when we all do not live on land.
This Couple Has Lived On a Floating Island They Built Themselves For Over 30 Years with 18 slides

Their floating home consists of 12 interconnected sections, including four greenhouses, living quarters, a kitchen, a workshop, an art gallery, a lighthouse, and even a dance floor.

Fits My hacienda to the extreme on earth for self-sufficiency.

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Drugs from the deep: scientists explore ocean frontiers
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Drug … s_999.html

Some send divers in speed boats, others dispatch submersible robots to search the seafloor, and one team deploys a "mud missile" -- all tools used by scientists to scour the world's oceans for the next potent cancer treatment or antibiotic.

A medicinal molecule could be found in microbes scooped up in sediment, be produced by porous sponges or sea squirts -- barrel-bodied creatures that cling to rocks or the undersides of boats -- or by bacteria living symbiotically in a snail.

But once a compound reveals potential for the treatment of, say, Alzheimer's or epilepsy, developing it into a drug typically takes a decade or more, and costs hundreds of millions of dollars.

"Suppose you want to cure cancer -- how do you know what to study?" said William Fenical, a professor at Scripps Institution of Oceanography, considered a pioneer in the hunt for marine-derived medicines.

"You don't."

With tight budgets and little support from big pharma, scientists often piggyback on other research expeditions.

Marcel Jaspars of Scotland's University of Aberdeen said colleagues collect samples by dropping a large metal tube on a 5,000 metres (16,400 feet) cable that "rams" the seafloor. A more sophisticated method uses small, remotely operated underwater vehicles.

"I say to people, all I really want is a tube of mud," he told AFP.

At Jupiter, JUICE and Clipper Will Work Together in Hunt for Life
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … -for-life/

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Jupiter's moon Europa may have had a slow evolution

https://phys.org/news/2023-06-jupiter-m … ution.html

Almost becoming a tourism site

Here’s what James Cameron has said about diving to the Titanic wreckage

https://www.wcvb.com/article/james-came … e/44272323

Cameron has not publicly commented on the current search for the Titanic tour OceanGate submersible with five people

The wreck of the Titanic lies at a depth of about 12,500 feet (3,800 metres; 2,100 fathoms), about 370 nautical miles (690 kilometres) south-southeast off the coast of Newfoundland. It lies in two main pieces about 2,000 feet (600 m) apart. The bow is still recognisable with many preserved interiors, despite deterioration and damage sustained hitting the sea floor. In contrast, the stern is completely ruined. A debris field around the wreck contains hundreds of thousands of items spilled from the ship as she sank. The bodies of the passengers and crew would have also been distributed across the sea bed, but have since been consumed by other organisms. Many schemes have been proposed to raise the Titanic, including filling the wreck with ping-pong balls, injecting it with 180,000 tons of Vaseline, or using half a million tons of liquid nitrogen to encase it in an iceberg that would float to the surface. However, the wreck is too fragile to be raised and is now protected by a UNESCO convention. In 1995, Canadian director James Cameron chartered the Akademik Mstislav Keldysh and the MIRs to make 12 dives to the Titanic. He used the footage in his blockbuster 1997 film Titanic. The discovery of the wreck and a National Geographic documentary of Ballard's 1986 expedition had inspired him to write a synopsis in 1987 of what eventually became the film: "Do story with bookends of present day scene of wreck using submersibles intercut with memories of a survivor and re-created scenes of the night of the sinking. A crucible of human values under stress."

As the Titanic broke apart, many objects and pieces of hull were scattered across the sea bed. There are two debris fields in the vicinity of the wreck, each between 2,000–2,600 ft (600–800 m) long, trailing in a southwesterly direction from the bow and stern. They cover an area of about 2 sq mi (5 km2). Most of the debris is concentrated near the stern section of the Titanic. It consists of thousands of objects from the interior of the ship, ranging from tons of coal spilled from ruptured bunkers to suitcases, clothes, corked wine bottles (many still intact despite the pressure), bathtubs, windows, washbasins, jugs, bowls, hand mirrors and numerous other personal effects. The debris field also includes numerous pieces of the ship itself, with the largest pieces of debris in the vicinity of the partially disintegrated stern section. In January 2020, the United Kingdom and United States governments announced that they had agreed to protect the wreckage of the Titanic. The agreement, signed by the British government in 2003, came into effect after being ratified by U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo at the end of 2019. UK Maritime Minister Nus Ghani said the UK would work with Canada and France to bring "even more protection" to the wreckage.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200122110 … d-51188909

News on  a nobility-centered place of people, peerage and all that stuff.

The multi-millionaire who dreamed of being the first man on Mars: OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush - one of the five passengers on his firm's missing Titan sub - is a Princeton graduate and lifelong adventurer who descended from two US Founding Fathers

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … thers.html

OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush is one of the five men on the Titan, with around 20 hours of oxygen left.

The Titan is currently missing with five people on board after it lost communication during a dive to the Titanic's wreckage

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New manufacturing equipment could be used at sea or in deep space
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/New_ … e_999.html

On the subject of the Titan sub implosion I came across a guy online Thunderf00t, he's been around a while some like him some find him a little dis-likable or condescending but he is a logical guy, I think I have seen his stuff mirrored on bitchute or rumble or people quote him on substack. He teaches chemistry, he is the online pseudonym of Philip E. Mason, a British chemist and perhaps where some might dislike is when he becomes a critic of religion, or enters 'politics' or calls out media personality and pseudoscience I think his channel grew during the modern Atheist movement. He's been nitpicking Elon Musk statements which doesn't seem to be a very difficult thing to debunk since Musk often misses his deadlines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNW5FYGIfLc

'What Happens when a Hull Fails at 1000 atmospheres?'

a guy wrote a public comment on his channel

As an ex nuke submariner, I've been following this story and looking at this company I get the feeling of another 'vaporware innovation' like Theranos, The Hyperloop or Nikola - but this time instead of people losing money, they lost their lives; as soon as I heard 'carbon fiber hull' and 'lost submarine' I knew it was over and shook my head.

There is a reason why submarines are made of steel and titanium and not carbon fiber. Steel and titanium have deformation before they give way, giving time to drive yourself up to the surface or emergency blow. Carbon fiber has no give - when it fails, it fails catastrophically. Anyone who has seen a carbon bikes or carbon auto parts blow apart knows that carbon fiber, though strong and light, fails instantly AND catastrophically where as steel and titanium have some 'deformation give.'  If you look at a scanning electron microscope of steel or titanium vs carbon fiber, one can see carbon fiber weave and how 'porous' it is compared to metals. As thunderf00t mentioned resin epoxy which acts as sort of a bonding, filling and stiffening agent for the carbon fiber - but the characteristics of epoxy is that it is strong but very brittle.

One thing I have not heard that I want to mention pertains to the epoxy adhesion of the titanium rings and the carbon fiber hull. Hand applying epoxy and just 'hoping to get it right' is just horrible. If one of those titanium rings of off by half a degree, that is going to create unequal axial loading down the length of the hull; and given multiple pressure and temperature cycles, the potential disparity in tension/ compression is just (head shaking) ...no...just no. That's going to cause cracks in the hull and/or cause the epoxy to crack/ fail. And just one layer of that carbon fiber hull not laid down correctly, one trapped air bubble - and that's a time bomb. Anecdotally, if you look at how carbon fiber diving cylinders are laid, they are laid at axial angles unlike the radial lay of the OceanView sub (yes, the diving cylinders are highly pressurized compared to the subs, but that is a design consideration to think about when thinking about axial and radial tension and compression)

Another thing I noticed is that in some images, you can see condensation accumulating on the carbon fiber ring - which tells me that the sub had no moisture or CO2 management systems; moisture is bad for electronics and if I remember my basic chemistry right, H20 (from people's breath and condensation) + C02 from exhalation creates carbonic acid. How that might effect epoxy? Not sure just throwing that out there.

OceanView's hull integrity system is subpar;  Naval submarine hulls and welds are x- rayed when constructed. Complete X-rays and ultrasounds should have been the very minimum of that carbon fiber hull after every dive. Salt water is unforgiving!

I have heard hearsay reports that this particular sub had cracks in the hull they knew about - if that turns out to be the case and they dove anyways, that is pure negligence. And OceanView had fired one of their engineers and sued him for voicing concerns over the hull - can we say that the CEO was full of hubris and trying to be a 'Theranos' unicorn?

The more that comes out about this sub...this is why STEM education is SO important - it can SAVE YOUR LIFE! Maybe your BUSTED! videos can save lives!

I've been watching you (thunderf00t) from the beginning and sincerely - thanks for putting the science  perspective out there for the public for 15 plus years now.

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NASA’s Europa Clipper Mission Carries Special Cargo: A Poem

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … go-a-poem/

Sinking at Eastern Cape, South Africa

The Oceanos a French-built and Greek-owned cruise ship that sank in 1991 due to uncontrolled flooding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucQiMsRRdWg

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Remarkable subsea habitat could let humans live permanently underwater by 2027

Ocean technology and exploration firm DEEP has announced an ambitious plan to establish a permanent presence under the oceans by 2027.

The company's mission, simply to "make humans aquatic," revolves around developing innovative technology and solutions to explore and inhabit the ocean's depths. At the core of this initiative are several key components, including the Sentinel - an underwater territory that will redefine how scientists live and work beneath the cover of water.

Additionally, a range of submersibles, dive equipment, and scientific research tools will help complement this habitat, further supported by comprehensive technical and human performance training and qualification programs. Incredibly, the Sentinel environment boasts the ability to be globally classed by DNV, a leading classification society for underwater technology. This will enable scientists to live and work underwater at depths of up to 200 m (656 feet) for extended periods, up to 28 days at a time.

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Titan submersible implosion to become a Hollywood movie just months after maritime disaster which killed five men
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/t … bd62e88e04

Meeting a survivor from S. Korea’s biggest maritime disaster: Sewol Ferry Tragedy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT9m08FxYVg

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I wonder what encouraged this, some bad interaction with a human made world or perhaps they have been feasting on immigrants since the Iraq, Libya, Syria refugee crisis?

Orcas sink another boat in Europe after a nearly hour-long attack
https://www.livescience.com/animals/orc … ong-attack

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Nuclear Power Ship supply of material and floating nuclear power station has been explored in the past, MH-1A was towed to the Panama Canal Zone that it supplied with 10 MW of electricity a station from the USA its dismantling began in 2014 and was completed in March 2019.

https://www.maritime-executive.com/arti … dismantled

Russian nickel miner wants nuclear power for Arctic plant

https://www.rcinet.ca/eye-on-the-arctic … tic-plant/

The Akademik Lomonosov can work as cogeneration plant, as waste heat is collected and she can provide up to 60 MW thermal power via clamped pipelines for heating purposes, peak heat delivery is up to 170 MW while reducing the electric output to 30 MW cf. extraction steam turbine Another joint product is up to 240,000 m3/d freshwater made from seawater
https://www.revistanuclear.es/en/tecnol … lomonosov/
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https://www.power-technology.com/projec … on-russia/

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This Insane Submarine Concept Will Let You Dive 328 Feet in Luxury
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/insan … 11223.html
Steve Kozloff is making his marine dream a reality

The small Caribbean island making a fortune from artificial intelligence
https://english.elpais.com/technology/2 … gence.html
Anguilla didn’t realize it at the time, but the little Caribbean island was fortunate to get the .ai top-level domain

A big step would seem to be future power sources like 'Fusion' power, with more energy you can make any type of Mars analogue or Europa analogue more habitable, the South Pole and long winters in Antarctica, the hot deserts, higher up in the mountains with thinner
the atmosphere, the cave system and other subterranean environments vast underground cities or massive communities living miles down, perhaps a cable powering a floating platform or balloon cities or Balloon cruise ship-type communities, artificial islands like Oil-Rig platforms

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How exactly do you build a spacecraft like EuropaClipper?

https://twitter.com/NASAJPL/status/1778497749140521423